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05-25-2013, 02:57 PM
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fact is, when condra is on the ice, we are in the opponents zone, which means we cant get scored on. I dont see how that stat is overrated.
And we have prospects like Stone and Noesen who could do something very similar (with likely slightly worse corsi stats) and could turn that into offensive production.

We don't need to keep around players just because they can keep the puck away from 4th liners and bottom pairing defenceman.

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05-25-2013, 03:15 PM
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And we have prospects like Stone and Noesen who could do something very similar (with likely slightly worse corsi stats) and could turn that into offensive production.

We don't need to keep around players just because they can keep the puck away from 4th liners and bottom pairing defenceman.
stone was a turnover machine in game 4. no thanks, hes not ready.

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05-25-2013, 03:18 PM
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And then still fail to score?

I highly doubt that is MacLean's strategy. If MacLean felt that Condra was the best defensive player, he would use him to shutdown the top lines of the opposition.
fail to score? correct me if im wrong, but wasnt our 4th line our most productive line in the playoffs? pageau condra and greening played many a shift vs the big guns of Pittsburgh. so youre kinda pulling statements out of your ass that have no validity to them.

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05-25-2013, 04:11 PM
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Wow. Condra was one of the best players for Ottawa this postseason and he's "easily replaceable"? Guys like that are irreplaceable; they're cheap, highly effective, and can be used in almost any situation. Man, some people are thick. You can't have a team with 20 goal scorers at every forward position, it doesn't work like that.

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05-25-2013, 04:13 PM
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Cowen's still not 100% on his recovery. Michalek I can see unloading, but Cowen isn't someone you give up on so soon.

There is a lot of Logic in saying that, But seeing Cowen at 100% still is very unappealing. I felt the same about Meszaros when he was young, always pinching and making bonehead plays for no reason. Cowen looked like an ECHL player in the last series. Injured or not, he was terrible.

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05-25-2013, 04:13 PM
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Who has to turn pro this year/ who is turning pro this year? Noesen could come in, he's a shooter, could begin to develop to fill a need very well, but the only space I see on the RW is on the top line or if Alfie retires... Peumple could come in but is he ready? Ceci will likely be in Bingo... Who else is coming?

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05-25-2013, 04:22 PM
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Whoever blames Condra on anything just isn't a knowledgeable hockey fan. He has been arguably our most consistent player game in and game out for the past 2 seasons.

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05-25-2013, 04:38 PM
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Whoever blames Condra on anything just isn't a knowledgeable hockey fan. He has been arguably our most consistent player game in and game out for the past 2 seasons.
He is the absolute perfect bottom 6, no nonsense, no maintenance, responsible winger...

Sure he isnt the most natural gifted scorer or a physical force but he does soo many things well...

He should 100% be back and id be shocked if he is not...

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05-25-2013, 05:00 PM
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He is the absolute perfect bottom 6, no nonsense, no maintenance, responsible winger...

Sure he isnt the most natural gifted scorer or a physical force but he does soo many things well...

He should 100% be back and id be shocked if he is not...
Yup.

One of the Most consistent guys on our team.

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05-25-2013, 05:26 PM
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That roster would likely have a lot of difficulties competing with some of the more physical teams in the playoffs.
Being physical didn't help us against the Pens.

Also, I find teams need to "buy" into the being physical mentality to be effective, not just sprinkle a couple of hard nosed players throughout the lineup.

We need to be refocused on puck possesion. It's what got us to the dance this year.

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05-25-2013, 05:41 PM
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Who has to turn pro this year/ who is turning pro this year? Noesen could come in, he's a shooter, could begin to develop to fill a need very well, but the only space I see on the RW is on the top line or if Alfie retires... Peumple could come in but is he ready? Ceci will likely be in Bingo... Who else is coming?
Could come in and do what- play bottom 6 minutes? No way they slot in the top 2 lines. Id say they're in Bingo for the whole year and play a few games being called up. Maybe do a mini-Pageau but thats unlikely.

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Could come in and do what- play bottom 6 minutes? No way they slot in the top 2 lines. Id say they're in Bingo for the whole year and play a few games being called up. Maybe do a mini-Pageau but thats unlikely.
That's what I'm saying, anybody think they'd actually be able to hold down a spot in the top six because I don't really see room or an effective role for them in the bottom 6. But Bingo is getting very crowded as well.... What's it going to look like down there?

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05-25-2013, 06:20 PM
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What happened to JOB the last third of the season? So far down the depth chart he ceased to exist? Some sort of hush-hush injury?
I had the same question. O'Brien played well last year in the playoffs, and is a big rangy guy who skates well. I would have played him over Conacher is the Pittsburgh series. For whatever reason, he fell down the depth chart and into the dog house.

Gonchar will be interesting. The Sens will probably offer a one year deal, but if he can beat that elsewhere, as Carkner did, he'll go. Frankly, I think we will be outbid for Gonchar in free agency, and that's OK - we have Weircoch, and hopefully Ceci after a year in Bingo. (I think Ceci will be a very good NHL player after a year of getting tougher, mentally and physically. That will turn out to have been a steal of a pick.)

Another interesting question is who gets let go from Bingo. You are only allowed 50 NHL contracts, and our picks (Ceci, Noesen, Peumpel) will count next year. A few of our guys in Bingo will end up getting dumped. At some point in your mid 20s, you are who you are as a player, and if you haven't made the big team they are going to drop you for a new prospect. It's the Circle of Life.

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One of the worst moves this season was trading Bishop for Conacher and a 4th.

I think he is one of the players who could be part of a package.

Our goaltending is strong so I don't see there being any change.

Without Gonchar our D will need another offensive threat and I don't see Weirioch being that player yet. We will need someone for the second powerplay.

At forward Silfverberg will get better and so will Pageau.

As for Jim, I think he must of mouthed of to the coach and he is being made an example of or he "dated" one of managements daughters. lol


I would be looking at trading with Edmonton for Eberle. They need depth and we gotz sum.

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05-25-2013, 06:52 PM
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We spend the entire history of the franchise looking for solid consistent goaltending, and missing that piece during cup runs. Now we have it, so lets trade some of it away from pieces that are much easier to come by.

Oiy.
It's this type of thinking that will keep this team from ever finding an elite winger to play alongside Spezza...

We need somebody who can fill that role, and we're not going to get it for scraps.

If I were offered Turris/Lehner+ to pick up a top-line winger, I'd do it.

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05-25-2013, 07:01 PM
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We desperately need a top line winger. Not top 6 but top line. Edit: If Alfredsson retires we also need someone clutch like Briere.

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Condra is pretty great defensively but never scores I would keep him around for several more years. Its not like Condra costs alot of money.

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Condra is one of the best PKers in the NHL. We'd be insane not to keep him.

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This thread got really silly really fast. I apologize for my part in that.

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05-25-2013, 07:58 PM
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Being physical didn't help us against the Pens.

Also, I find teams need to "buy" into the being physical mentality to be effective, not just sprinkle a couple of hard nosed players throughout the lineup.

We need to be refocused on puck possesion. It's what got us to the dance this year.
Firstly, we weren't very physical against the Penguins. I would have to check the stats, but I am pretty sure that we only out hit the penguins substantially in one or two games; the rest of the games they either substantially out hit us or were equally as physical. If we would have been more consistent in terms of the physical element of the game, we would have performed better. We certainly weren't going to win that series by "out skilling" the penguins.

Secondly our biggest issue this series was that we were intimidated. Now, we weren't really intimidated in terms of the physical aspect of the game, we were intimidated by their skill. The whole roster was way too concerned about what the penguins might do to them and not what they would do to the penguins. We could barely make a pass all series and that wasn't due to lack of skill; we haven't plenty of skilled players in the lineup, they are just inexperienced.

Thirdly, it certainly helps having a handful of physical players in the lineup in order to establish a physical identity in the playoffs. It is much easier to play a physical game when you have players to lead the way. Your strategy of getting rid of Neil and Smith and then doing nothing to replace that lost physicality and toughness will damage the team more than it will help it.

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Firstly, we weren't very physical against the Penguins. I would have to check the stats, but I am pretty sure that we only out hit the penguins substantially in one or two games; the rest of the games they either substantially out hit us or were equally as physical. If we would have been more consistent in terms of the physical element of the game, we would have performed better. We certainly weren't going to win that series by "out skilling" the penguins.

Secondly our biggest issue this series was that we were intimidated. Now, we weren't really intimidated in terms of the physical aspect of the game, we were intimidated by their skill. The whole roster was way too concerned about what the penguins might do to them and not what they would do to the penguins. We could barely make a pass all series and that wasn't due to lack of skill; we haven't plenty of skilled players in the lineup, they are just inexperienced.

Thirdly, it certainly helps having a handful of physical players in the lineup in order to establish a physical identity in the playoffs. It is much easier to play a physical game when you have players to lead the way. Your strategy of getting rid of Neil and Smith and then doing nothing to replace that lost physicality and toughness will damage the team more than it will help it.
I love a physical team as much as the next fan, but in the Pens series we took penalties for pressing our faces against the glass too hard. The Islanders played a high pressure game against the Pens and probably could have won if they had the level of goaltending we have. I think a physical team is great in the playoffs except when you are playing the pet team that is supposed to win it all. A high pressure team, like what Devils used to be during their cup runs (except without the boring hockey please) is probably the best recipe for success in the playoffs.

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05-25-2013, 08:06 PM
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fail to score? correct me if im wrong, but wasnt our 4th line our most productive line in the playoffs? pageau condra and greening played many a shift vs the big guns of Pittsburgh. so youre kinda pulling statements out of your ass that have no validity to them.
The majority of this season, MacLean didn't use Condra's line to shutdown the top line of the opposition. For a player that is supposedly the best defensive forward, he is rarely utilized in a shutdown role.

In regards to playing against the Penguins. Condra had chemistry with Pageau and Greening. Pageau was one of the best players in the playoffs and was arguably the best player all series against Montreal. Greening was arguably the best player all series against the Penguins. Due to that line having chemistry and being consistent, MacLean gave them more ice time. They weren't really used in a shutdown role, they were used to create energy (and because our other lines weren't performing very well against the Penguins) to create some offence.


Like you said before, Condra is generally played against the other teams bottom six. He basically helps prevent the players who have a hard time scoring, from scoring.

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I love a physical team as much as the next fan, but in the Pens series we took penalties for pressing our faces against the glass too hard. The Islanders played a high pressure game against the Pens and probably could have won if they had the level of goaltending we have. I think a physical team is great in the playoffs except when you are playing the pet team that is supposed to win it all. A high pressure team, like what Devils used to be during their cup runs (except without the boring hockey please) is probably the best recipe for success in the playoffs.
The officiating seemed pretty biased and was generally pretty poor. I can't remember the last time I have seen a playoff series so poorly officiated.

I guess we will see how the Bruins perform against the Penguins. They are a very physical team, but they also have a whole lot of skill. It will be interesting to see whether that is the right recipe to beat the Penguins. It certainly helped the Flyers last year; they really brought the physicality to the Penguins and it helped them get Malkin and Crosby off their games.

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The majority of this season, MacLean didn't use Condra's line to shutdown the top line of the opposition. For a player that is supposedly the best defensive forward, he is rarely utilized in a shutdown role.

In regards to playing against the Penguins. Condra had chemistry with Pageau and Greening. Pageau was one of the best players in the playoffs and was arguably the best player all series against Montreal. Greening was arguably the best player all series against the Penguins. Due to that line having chemistry and being consistent, MacLean gave them more ice time. They weren't really used in a shutdown role, they were used to create energy (and because our other lines weren't performing very well against the Penguins) to create some offence.


Like you said before, Condra is generally played against the other teams bottom six. He basically helps prevent the players who have a hard time scoring, from scoring.
keep in mind condra played the majority of the season with a ball and chain, in neil and smith, yet still had ridiculous possession numbers. that says a lot.

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I think it's mostly open season at camp. The more I look at our prospect list, the more I see some major trades coming. We've got way too many good young prospects, and no real options to transfer them into our lineup in the foreseeable future, since our team is already crazy young.

Guys I want to build around or refuse to trade:
Spezza, Condra, Neil, Alfie, Karlsson, Methot, Weir, Cowen, Zibby, Andy, Phillips

Undecided:
Stone, Noesen, Silf, Pageau, Puempel, Prince, Ceci, Vikstrand

Tradeable Players (Packaged to upgrade a roster spot, moved for picks or to move up in the draft):
Michalek, Turris, Greening, Smith, Conacher, Boro, Gryba, Lehner, JOB, Da Costa, Grant, Dziurzinsky, everyone else
Core includes Turris, Silf and Lehner. We just got Conacher, no need to trade him just yet either. Greening, no, Smith, not yet. Boro? WTF are you on?

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