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05-25-2013, 09:05 PM
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There is no fire in this team whatsoever. Detroit wants it. They're up 3-1 on "give them the Cup already" Chicago. They are playing like it's a Stanley Cup playoff game. We looked like we're playing a beer league regular season game that is totally unimportant. I really wanted John Scott or Steve Ott at the deadline, because they fire up the team and are locker room leaders.
That's the system. Don't clear guys out, front them, no leaving the zone for stretch passes. The Rangers make it easy on the opposition. If not for rask falling on his arse, it would have been a sweep.

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Uhh . . .
Not for his on ice ability. (Or lack of it)

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John Scott deja vu? No ****ing thanks haha.
reminds me of that episode of king of the hill where the track kids get bobby-hilled to make them practice harder

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I agree with everything you said in here. I'm getting sick of the people that try and convince me Callahan is a true 2nd liner. Dude's best fit is on the 3rd line.
I agree massively that Callahan should be on a checking line, something like line 2B. I want to see Hagelin-O'Reilly-Callahan next year.

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Can someone please explain to me the hate on Girardi? For reelz. The guy shuts down Ovi and Shuts down the Bruins First line completely. Scores 2 goals. Made at least 5-6 clutch blocks. Some of you are blind as moles.

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I liked seeing Kreider flatten Seidenberg on a regular basis. Hopefully, he's beginning to realize that he's 6'3", 220 and strong as a bull, and that when he hits people, they go flying, not him.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but, I like Callahan and Hagelin as players when they remember what makes them successful. Give me a Hagelin/Boyle/Callahan 3rd line, a Kreider.Stepan/Nash line, and Brassard centering a 2nd line. The problem becomes configuring that Brassard line. Brass and Zucc showed some chemistry, so maybe you bring back Clowe, and go with Clowe/Brass/Zucc? As for the 4th line, that's where Dorsett belongs.

As for the D, I am hesitant to part with MDZ until I know what going on with Staal. They still need to bring in a veteran RH D-man for depth purposes. And, I'd like to see McIlrath get a long look in camp.
Good post.

Honestly, I think they should try and move Staal now, before he has a chance to injure himself any further. Could see something like Staal for Ryan or Eriksson. I'd seriously consider it.

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If this team doesn't re-sign Clowe, they need to find a player like Lucic to play with Brassard and Zucc on the second line. They got pushed around way too much this series.

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Can someone please explain to me the hate on Girardi? For reelz. The guy shuts down Ovi and Shuts down the Bruins First line completely. Scores 2 goals. Made at least 5-6 clutch blocks. Some of you are blind as moles.
McDonagh was Ovechkin's guy. Stralman did a good job on Ovi too. But Girardi, other than shot blocking, was useless.

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There is no fire in this team whatsoever. Detroit wants it. They're up 3-1 on "give them the Cup already" Chicago. They are playing like it's a Stanley Cup playoff game. We looked like we're playing a beer league regular season game that is totally unimportant. I really wanted John Scott or Steve Ott at the deadline, because they fire up the team and are locker room leaders.
To the contrary, there is plenty of fire on this team. My own opinion is that when the strategy becomes more realistic, we will see a more effective team. The collapsing defence is an old way of trying to cope. I think it would be much better under a coach with a penchant for maximizing talent and not wanting his team to be so pre-occupied with defence.

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McDonagh was Ovechkin's guy. Stralman did a good job on Ovi too. But Girardi, other than shot blocking, was useless.
Ovi was against Girardi and McD sir. Only split up this series.
You dont know much I guess.

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After the roster shakeup last summer, I never really had a strong feeling that this year was our year. It takes awhile to develop team chemistry, and I was unsure if Nash was capable of leading this team offensively in the playoffs considering he had barely any postseason experience. Continuity and familiarity with one's teammates is important - Boston has largely the same team they had two years ago when they won the cup.

With so much turnover in the offseason, at the very least Sather could have addressed some issues that haunted us during last year's playoffs: the lack of a capable 4th line and defensive depth. Those problem areas combined with an anemic offense are what burns us in the playoffs every year.
This is on the money. Hopefully, we don't see too much turnover. Yes, Richards needs to be bought out, and they need a top six forward with size, and a veteran RHD man for depth. But, I'd like to see some more youth integrated as well. In spite of all of the complaining, this is still a young team, with quite a few young players going through growing pains. A strike-shortened season isn't a true gauge for some of these kids, especially with a limited training camp, and condensed schedule.

As for Tortorella, I will say that it was not his best coaching job. However, every since he came here, he's done a good job of pointing this team in the right direction. This was the first year of stagnation. I would hope he'll realize that this year's team is not the pluggers and grinders he had in previous years, and he needs to adapt his system and philosophy to the personnel he now has.

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I liked seeing Kreider flatten Seidenberg on a regular basis. Hopefully, he's beginning to realize that he's 6'3", 220 and strong as a bull, and that when he hits people, they go flying, not him.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but, I like Callahan and Hagelin as players when they remember what makes them successful. Give me a Hagelin/Boyle/Callahan 3rd line, a Kreider.Stepan/Nash line, and Brassard centering a 2nd line. The problem becomes configuring that Brassard line. Brass and Zucc showed some chemistry, so maybe you bring back Clowe, and go with Clowe/Brass/Zucc? As for the 4th line, that's where Dorsett belongs.

As for the D, I am hesitant to part with MDZ until I know what going on with Staal. They still need to bring in a veteran RH D-man for depth purposes. And, I'd like to see McIlrath get a long look in camp.
Kreider will be a beast next year, huge with that much speed and bodychecking ability, those were huge checks

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Not for his on ice ability. (Or lack of it)
Yeah, but we already had him and he was beyond useless.

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I don't understand the love for zuccerello. He can't hit the ocean from a boat and he is just to small to go against guys like lucic. I am not saying he isn't tough or scrappy. Just don't think he is that good

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Ovi was against Girardi and McD sir. Only split up this series.
You dont know much I guess.
ovi was against mcdonagh most of that series. there are 2 defensemen and 2 wingers, each defenseman generally has a specific side that they cover-- mcdonagh was primarily covering ovechkin that series. ovi is back to his natural side.

he knows plenty.

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I don't understand the love for zuccerello. He can't hit the ocean from a boat and he is just to small to go against guys like lucic. I am not saying he isn't tough or scrappy. Just don't think he is that good
the love for zucc is so abundant because he's a high-skill player that we don't see often on this team. he's a small guy so it's rooting for the underdog-- he's a talented passer and playmaker and he works hard. he may not have a good shot, but he's got the passing to make up for it. patient with the puck too

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Not going to comment on specific players...my attitude has always been to give the players and coaches a second chance and the benefit of the doubt after one tough season, instead of blowing it all up. But I know I'm probably going to get flamed for that sentiment.

Let me just leave a little positive note about this team: they struggled, underachieved all year, a ton of players played below expectations...and yet they made the second round of the playoffs and were amongst the last eight standing. That's pretty damn good to me, if that's considered a bad year.

Also, I want a lot of our fanbase to remember what it was like during the dark years from 98 to 04. I want a cup...REALLY badly, just like all of you...but I don't subscribe to the "cup or nothing" mentality. Some of our younger fans probably don't know just how bad it can get, and a lot of other fans in the league who love to have their team have this kind of season. Just my two cents.

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Wish I could say I'm surprised about today's game, but I'm not. If they had won today, they'd definitely have to momentum, but... After the Callahan missed breakaway chance, I knew they were done. At times it looked like the Bruins were on the power play even though officially they weren't. The series was almost similar to their series with New Jersey last season; NJ's 4th line out performed the NYR's 4th line, and NJ's depth stepped up when the NYR depth didn't.

As for the future, I'm afraid the Ranger upper management will say the injuries, shortened season, no full training camp were the reasons why the team fell short, and also the reason the bring Tortorella back. Every team had injuries, and they all had to deal with the shortened season and lack of a full training camp, and Torts needs to move on. He kept trying to fit square pegs into round holes. He probably stunted the development of Chris Kreider. Who is available I'm not sure, I'd say no to Lindy Ruff. I'm not saying the players were playing to get Tortorella fired, but I'm guessing there are players in that dressing room who wouldn't exactly shed a tear if he is let go. If they rebuild, it'd be better to bring in a young inexperienced coach rather than bring in another NHL retread so he and the younger group of players can grow together. This team needs a different voice, and a breath of fresh air.

In terms of the upper management, we all know Sather is here for as long as he wants to be. With his health issues, who knows how much of a role he played in the day to day operations of the team in the last couple of months. If he leaves and they name someone who is already there (i.e. Jeff Gorton, Gordie Clark), the path the team will remain the same as it has been in recent years, which may or may not be a good thing; I'm leaning towards not a good thing. They never have an early first round draft pick, and it's hard to completely rebuild. You have to try to steal players in the later rounds like Detroit has. They will have some tough choices to make as the salary cap is going down and some major players have their contracts due in the next couple of years.

I'd listen to offers on Lundqvist as his deal is up in two years, he's not getting any younger and this team doesn't look like it'll be a top contender during that time. Get something for him before he leaves for another NHL team or he decides to finish his playing career at home in Sweden. You'd probably get more now than you would next summer (2014). Ideally, you get prospect(s) and draft pick(s).

Maybe I've been reading this board too much, but I wouldn't be shocked if one of the big 4 defencemen gets moved this offseason, likely at or near the NHL Entry Draft. They need young, high end offensive players, you get those through the draft (unless you send one of them to Edmonton for Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, or Eberle) and trading one of the big 4 is the most likely scenario of getting that outside of Lundqvist. The least likely getting traded may be Staal because of his eye injury, and he missed half of the 2011-2012 season because of concussion issues. Also, I believe his cap hit is the highest among the big 4, and will want something bigger in his next contract.

Overall, the Gaborik trade with Columbus worked out well for the Rangers as they got some useful players. The top line guys have to produce. The fourth line needs upgrading. If a different head coach comes in, I'd bring Brad Richards back to see if he can find his groove again. I think that he needs to just get away from Tortorella; sometimes a couple needs to divorce before a bad situation gets worse. They won a Cup together, but that was 9 years ago. If they bring Lundqvist back (99.9% likely), I'd prefer to bring in a younger backup goalie, but Biron I believe has another year to go with his contract. Wouldn't mind getting Lundqvist more rest during the 82-game season. Biron has played well at times, but you wouldn't want him to carry the load if something happened to Lundqvist.

Overall, this wasn't a disastrous season, though the team underachieved somewhat, injuries part of the reason, but some players didn't produce how most thought they would. Getting to the second round means something, but that puts you into that no mans land area; not bad enough to get early draft picks, but not good enough to contend for the Stanley Cup. It should be interesting to see how things go in the offseason.

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I agree with everything you said in here. I'm getting sick of the people that try and convince me Callahan is a true 2nd liner. Dude's best fit is on the 3rd line.
Callahan is at his best when he keeps his game simple. His attempts at being creative with the puck usually end up as turnovers. And, Hagelin has a great motor, but, the idea that he's skilled enough to be a top six forward has always confounded me. But, both players are ideal in a strong fore-checking system.

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Go watch the 92 Pens series while you're digesting.
I saw Leetch's entire career and if your contention is that Leetch had some bad games, he did. If you think Leetch at that point in his career was worse than Del Zotto at this point in his career, I could not disagree more.

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Not going to comment on specific players...my attitude has always been to give the players and coaches a second chance and the benefit of the doubt after one tough season, instead of blowing it all up. But I know I'm probably going to get flamed for that sentiment.

Let me just leave a little positive note about this team: they struggled, underachieved all year, a ton of players played below expectations...and yet they made the second round of the playoffs and were amongst the last eight standing. That's pretty damn good to me, if that's considered a bad year.

Also, I want a lot of our fanbase to remember what it was like during the dark years from 98 to 04. I want a cup...REALLY badly, just like all of you...but I don't subscribe to the "cup or nothing" mentality. Some of our younger fans probably don't know just how bad it can get, and a lot of other fans in the league who love to have their team have this kind of season. Just my two cents.
2 words: henrik lundqvist.

he may have let in a few softies, but he also stopped an outrageous number of quality chances through screens and deflections

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What I would do.

1) Amnesty Richards
2) fire Torts, hire a more offensively creative coach
3) Trade MDZ + Pyatt + prospect/pick for ROR
4) sign Bryan Bickell or Clowe (2 years MAX)

Roll this lineup

Kreider Stepan Nash
Hagelin O'Reilly Callahan
Zuccarello Brassard Bickell/Clowe
Asham Boyle Dorsett
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McDonagh Girardi
Staal Stralman
Moore McIlrath/Eminget

Get this team more creative and physical. Match the Bruins in terms of tenacity, creativity, and skill and speed. That's what is successful in the playoffs (Kings, Bruins)

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Richards should have been in the lineup tonight. That cost us the season.

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the love for zucc is so abundant because he's a high-skill player that we don't see often on this team. he's a small guy so it's rooting for the underdog-- he's a talented passer and playmaker and he works hard. he may not have a good shot, but he's got the passing to make up for it. patient with the puck too
Maybe in another system

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