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05-25-2013, 09:30 PM
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I think Del Zotto becomes what we seen in the first year but on a more mature level defensively, but a PP specialist with the right coach.

Him like a few others, as far as kids go, are playing scared.

I have my choices for coach, but this ain't the thread.


Del Zotto stays. Everyday of the week and eleventy billion on Sunday.

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He was absolutely a disaster in the POs especially against the Bs.

It's tough to be a consistently effective offensive dman with such poor shooting accuracy. Not to mention the mental issues that pop up all to frequently in all 3 zones.

That said...I certainly wouldn't be shopping him. This team needs more defensemen not less. But if a Goligoski trade scenario comes along, pull the trigger.

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He was almost as bad as Hamrlik today and thats saying a lot, surprisingly offers nothing on the PP, should learn what offsides is
Agreed. He played like ****. He struggled a bit against the Caps--but against the Bruins he was pretty damn awful.

I'd be okay with moving him--we have 3 pretty solid left side defensemen in Staal, McDonagh and Moore. Girardi and Stralman on the right side are both very good players.

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He's starting to wear thin on me.

Every year we say:

"hes just 19"
"hes just 20"
"hes just 21"
"hes just 22"

Well you know what, he is not improving. His offense has not come around, and his defense while getting better yes, but hes still so inconsistent.

I wouldnt object to moving him to be honest in the offseason if we get a good return.
Exactly he's not a rookie he's a veteran who makes rookie mistakes

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05-25-2013, 09:32 PM
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I think Del Zotto becomes what we seen in the first year but on a more mature level defensively, but a PP specialist with the right coach.

Him like a few others, as far as kids go, are playing scared.

I have my choices for coach, but this ain't the thread.


Del Zotto stays. Everyday of the week and eleventy billion on Sunday.
He has not shown that AT ALL in the last 3 years. Not at all. So i dont know why you can say that.

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I think he looks way too rattled out there so often.

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While this is true, I feel like finding a vet 6th D isn't as hard as Sather makes it look. (Yeah, Hamrlik isn't what I, or anyone for that matter, had in mind).
Doesn't matter what you feel like, who do you think realistically was available last and this offseason that we could have gotten? Again, one injury, and they might have to take up top 4 minutes. Take that into account.

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Missing Stralman, but yikes that defense corps look downright ugly without MDZ/Staal.
Stralman was hurt the past 2 games. That's what our D would have looked like, in the playoffs. That's why I left him out. Again, one injury without MDZ and we're in trouble. Two, and we're ****ed. People are really taking the depth for granted, and to be honest, we're not even that deep at D. Also, aren't you the one saying Stralman shouldn't be playing top 4 minutes?

We can revisit this again in a year if McIlrath is ready for full-time duty and we have a 7th D that you can be happy with playing as the 5 or 6 every night. We don't have that right now. Seems like the rangers organization agrees with me considering we keep drafting defenseman.

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When he's looking for 4+ Mil a year next offseason he might be...
You mean when he's a RFA? He will not get that in arbitration or from Sather. Buying out Richards will give us plenty of space. Cross that road when we get there.

Also, regarding the PP specialist thing. How would you know if he could be a good one? The PP has been absolute **** all the years he has been here, and every single "PP specialist" we bring in ends up sucking for us. See: Richards, McCabe, pretty much anyone else signed for the PP.

If a team comes across giving us a good deal and a solid d men back as well, I'm not against moving him. Just don't want to move him under these circumstances right now.

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He has not shown that AT ALL in the last 3 years. Not at all. So i dont know why you can say that.
Playing scared under a coach for those years? Absolutely.

You don't forget skill.

UNDER A NEW COACH: Pair him with with a great stay at home dman - take your pick, Staal, Girardi, or McDonaugh, and work with it from there.

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Playing scared under a coach for those years? Absolutely.

You don't forget skill.

UNDER A NEW COACH: Pair him with with a great stay at home dman - take your pick, Staal, Girardi, or McDonaugh, and work with it from there.
Playing "scared"

Really? Thats more of a reason to get him off the team.

Don't forget skill, sure, but he doesnt have it so yea.

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I was wondering... When Torts was dogging players for what the pp player(s) we or weren't doing on and off the ice, could that have been a shot at DZ? Just speculation...

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Del Zotto is a frustrating player, I mean he can be very good and was so for a stretch during the regular season but as we all know he can be a disaster witch he has been lately. As some of you pointed out his mental strength seems to be very bad, especially for playing under a coach like Tortorella.

I say trade him for a forward.

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05-25-2013, 09:48 PM
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Playing "scared"

Really? Thats more of a reason to get him off the team.

Don't forget skill, sure, but he doesnt have it so yea.
From what I seen from a kid when he first entered - and what I see now. I totally disagree with you.

Cheers.

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05-25-2013, 09:51 PM
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I don't think h has no skill. He doesn't have a steady confidence and is too unstable. He needs to fix that.

Because, when he's confident, we see this...

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From what I seen from a kid when he first entered - and what I see now. I totally disagree with you.

Cheers.

I've seen plenty fluke seasons by many players, especially when they first enter the league.

He has a little skill, but he is so inconsistent we rarely see it.

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Playing scared under a coach for those years? Absolutely.

You don't forget skill.

UNDER A NEW COACH: Pair him with with a great stay at home dman - take your pick, Staal, Girardi, or McDonaugh, and work with it from there.
The thing a lot of us doubters of DZ sees is his inability of getting a shot through. We've seen quite a few examples on the other side this postseason (McD, Girardi on our side and Krug, Chara, Boychuk, Green and Carlson)... This is a skill a PPQB has and unfortunately, it's becoming more and more apparent that DZ doesn't have this ability.

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It seems like just about every moment Henrik needs to make a miracle bail out save, number 4 is on the ice. I have no faith in Del Zotto. His foot speed, IQ, and composure leave a lot to be desired.

If a team were to ablige a swap of one of their young forwards for Del Zotto, that would be ideal. Find another deal, another way to get the puck carrying, offensive defenseman we need.

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Doesn't matter what you feel like, who do you think realistically was available last and this offseason that we could have gotten? Again, one injury, and they might have to take up top 4 minutes. Take that into account.
Someone who...isn't Roman Hamrlik? Literally anyone would have been better. Maybe trade for a legit vet d-man instead of trading for Clowe?

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He is slow as molasses, has a terrible shot and can't qb a powerplay to save his life. If we can find a sucker team to give us a comparable package to what goligoski fetched, take it and run.

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He's starting to wear thin on me.

Every year we say:

"hes just 19"
"hes just 20"
"hes just 21"
"hes just 22"

Well you know what, he is not improving. His offense has not come around, and his defense while getting better yes, but hes still so inconsistent.

I wouldnt object to moving him to be honest in the offseason if we get a good return.
Seriously people will be saying "he's just 36" and he'll still be making the same mistakes. Hockey IQ can't be taught. He just doesn't have it.

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I can tell you one thing, MDZ missed Staal as much as anybody. That was the better D pair for much or the first half of the year.

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You don't trade a 30-40 point 22 year old defenceman, especially when nobody else in your entire system even comes close to bringing what he brings offensively.

How long have we been looking for an offensive threat on the blueline since Leetch left? Have you all forgotten how hard it is to get a player like MDZ?

The guy has made serious strides over the last 2 years in his own end without sacrificing his offense. Yes, maybe he isn't mentally resilient at this point and time, but remember, he's 22 years old, there's plenty of time for him to get better and improve his mental fortitude.

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He's still young, keep him for another year, and see what happens.

But tonight definitely did not help his case.

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Move Staal at the draft for a 1st and a 2nd line fwd. Staal is ver rated and seems to always be getting injured anyway

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Move Staal at the draft for a 1st and a 2nd line fwd. Staal is ver rated and seems to always be getting injured anyway
I'm pretty sure more than 99% of the players in this league would be out if they took a slap shot to the orbit.

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