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05-25-2013, 04:45 PM
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I thuink it's an easy move to let Halpern and Armstrong walk and give more of a chance to Dumont and White...plus sign an enforcer as 13th forward.
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05-25-2013, 04:49 PM
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Actually SouthernHab has a point. In the 6 games prior to Bourque's return (April 9), Ryder had 6 goals and 1 assist. Including 4 points in the 2 games directly before Bourque came back.

But from April 9th until the end of the season (9 games), Ryder had 0 goals and 3 assists.

Although there's 2 things to consider - Ryder missed a game in that stretch, so it's possible he was playing hurt and would have put up lousy numbers regardless of who he was playing with. And the Canadiens were in a tailspin, so it's not unreasonable to expect Therrien to (a) juggle the lines and (b) put Ryder with different players in an effort to spark another line or spread the offense around.

So I suppose you could make a case either way, but the numbers do show that Ryder's numbers went into the tank exactly at the same time Bourque came back.
So it was Bourque that told Ryder to stop skating? I wondered who it was.

This logic seems to be in the same category as Kostitsyn ruining Eller as a player.

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05-25-2013, 05:04 PM
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I was thinking of this this past few days. What if Shea Weber was available on the trade block, you think the Habs can go and ask Nashville for the price asked? Is Bergevin willing to sacrifice some youth and pics for Shea Weber? Cause we all know he is a brute and one of the best D-MAN in the NHL. I would like to see the Habs at least try and acquire him. But what the price will be?
You better be willing to trade Subban/Galchenyuk + Gallagher/Eller/Tinordi + 1st rounder at least.

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05-25-2013, 05:21 PM
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Weber would cost way too much, seabrook is what the habs need

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So it was Bourque that told Ryder to stop skating? I wondered who it was.

This logic seems to be in the same category as Kostitsyn ruining Eller as a player.
Yeah, because that's what I was saying.

Like I wrote in the very post you quoted, it could be due to another factor (injury, etc) or obviously just some kind of divine coincidence. But the numbers are what they are.

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05-25-2013, 05:27 PM
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I appreciate the fact this is a message board and many different people of various ages, intelligence, experience etc participate and for the most part, the boards are fun to read and get in to. But reading these comments make me question if some people even watch hockey at all or know what the hell they're talking about.

The level of underestimating or overrating players is embarrassing. Some if not most proposal make no sense what so ever. It reminds me of that website that manufactured Eklund rumours. Some guys randomly pick names of big, physical players who can barely skate and put them on the 1st line and trade away half the farm for the honour.

Please, this is getting down right pathetic. Think about what the Habs are trying to accomplish and how they want to build a team instead of random name generation and insertmentinto the line up.

Note: written on iPhone in car. Typos are fault of autocorrect!

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05-25-2013, 05:31 PM
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I appreciate the fact this is a message board and many different people of various ages, intelligence, experience etc participate and for the most part, the boards are fun to read and get in to. But reading these comments make me question if some people even watch hockey at all or know what the hell they're talking about.

The level of underestimating or overrating players is embarrassing. Some if not most proposal make no sense what so ever. It reminds me of that website that manufactured Eklund rumours. Some guys randomly pick names of big, physical players who can barely skate and put them on the 1st line and trade away half the farm for the honour.

Please, this is getting down right pathetic. Think about what the Habs are trying to accomplish and how they want to build a team instead of random name generation and insertmentinto the line up.

Note: written on iPhone in car. Typos are fault of autocorrect!
Not sure which post you are referring to....but I do know that almost everytime there's a real actual trade...tons of people are already ready to name a winner or a loser. Which at one point proves that if, as a poster, I would have come out with the exact same trade possibility....I would have been called insane to even think about it....

Not sure how you the name calling I would have gotten if, let's say, I would have suggested a trade of McDonagh for Gomez for examples...

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05-25-2013, 05:38 PM
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This is my ideal roster for next season.


2013/2014

FORWARDS

Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($2.500m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.325m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN

Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Robyn Regehr ($4.000m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.225m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS

Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)

OTHER

Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,333,333; BONUSES: $2,485,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,451,667



Signings

Robyn Regehr - 3yrs 4mill/per
Bryan Bickell - 3yrs 2.5mill/per
Boyd Gordon - 2yrs 1.325mill/per
Tom Sestito - 1yr 0.605mill/per
Ryan White - 2yrs 0.650mill/per

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05-25-2013, 05:41 PM
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oh man all these people wanting AK46 back, am I really the only one who wouldnt touch him with a 10 foot pole?

he's the exact opposite of what Bergevin looks for in a player. terrible work ethic, no heart, no soul, doesn't put any effort on the ice, a guy that will destroy any team spirit

add all of this to the fact that his only decent year in the NHL was during that 104pts season in 08 where he scored 26 goal.

i'd take Kaberle as a forward before signing Kostitsyn
Kostitsyn is a piece of garbage who is likely done in the NHL. MB wouldn't bring this heartless bum anywhere near this team.

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05-25-2013, 06:03 PM
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Picking B. Richards contract would be bad but if he's bought out.......i would sign him to a new friendly-cap contract.

But i wouldn't dump Plek for him......but:

Richards: 4 years contract at around 4 - 4.5 millions
Desharnais: 4 years contract at 3.5 millions

I'll dump DD in a heartbeat and gladly pay the extra. Although Richards got some problems right now, still got 34 pts this season and 66 last year.

Richards - Plek - Eller at center would be nice (With Galchy in the oven...)
Good post. If Richards can be gotten for cheap, that would be a good addition. Of course, DD would have to go.....

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05-25-2013, 06:07 PM
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what about a Bogosian + Alex Burmistrov for DD + prospect pick. The one that drafted Alex Burmistrov was Rick Dudley 8 th overall. So we got a good insider on him

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05-25-2013, 06:07 PM
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So it was Bourque that told Ryder to stop skating? I wondered who it was.

This logic seems to be in the same category as Kostitsyn ruining Eller as a player.
I have asked this question on multiple occasions and have not gotten an answer.

Maybe you can help.

Do you know of any NHL coach who took his leading goal scorer off of the first line and bumped him down to the third line?

Thanks

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05-25-2013, 06:20 PM
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what about a Bogosian + Alex Burmistrov for DD + prospect pick. The one that drafted Alex Burmistrov was Rick Dudley 8 th overall. So we got a good insider on him
Not enough for Both IMO. That will get you one of those prospects. I think we would have to add Eller and they could add a pick.

I would like to get both however, banking on potential alone that trade is awesome.

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05-25-2013, 06:28 PM
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This is my ideal roster for next season.


2013/2014

FORWARDS

Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($2.500m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.325m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN

Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Robyn Regehr ($4.000m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.225m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS

Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)

OTHER

Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,333,333; BONUSES: $2,485,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,451,667



Signings

Robyn Regehr - 3yrs 4mill/per
Bryan Bickell - 3yrs 2.5mill/per
Boyd Gordon - 2yrs 1.325mill/per
Tom Sestito - 1yr 0.605mill/per
Ryan White - 2yrs 0.650mill/per
That's pretty smart, put our second best defensive forward at wing...

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05-25-2013, 06:36 PM
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It seems that ~95% of trade proposals on this forum are offering quantity for quality. It's good to be prepared for one when a Thornton or Pronger shakes loose, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that kind of scenario. I honestly wonder if NHL GMs have to deal with that same kind of quantity for quality offer day after day, rejecting proposal after proposal?

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We need to find a big winger to play on the Desharnais line. Obviously Desharnais is not going anywhere this off season so Bergevin has to set him up to succeed. It doesn't even have to be a high scoring player. Just a solid top 9 big body guy who will make space and crash the net. If we can get a player like that it will really balance out our forwards.

Desharnais is a smart, talented player but he needs the right situations to be effective. Eller and Plekanec are excellent defensive centres so we can afford to give Desharnais the offensive match ups. But we can't have Gionta or Gallagher on his right wing. It just does not work. I don't know much about Bickell but he seems like he could fit well.


Bourque--------Pleks-----------Gionta/Gallagher
Pacioretty------Desharnais-----Bickell
Galchenyuk----Eller------------Gionta/Gallagher


That's a pretty deep, balanced top 9.

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05-25-2013, 06:54 PM
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Not sure which post you are referring to....but I do know that almost everytime there's a real actual trade...tons of people are already ready to name a winner or a loser. Which at one point proves that if, as a poster, I would have come out with the exact same trade possibility....I would have been called insane to even think about it....

Not sure how you the name calling I would have gotten if, let's say, I would have suggested a trade of McDonagh for Gomez for examples...
If you're not sure which posts I'm talking about why are you calling me out?

Do you think that most of the trade proposals are good ideas? If so than my post probably applies to you as well.

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05-25-2013, 07:06 PM
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This is my ideal roster for next season.


2013/2014

FORWARDS

Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m)
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / David Desharnais ($3.500m) / Bryan Bickell ($2.500m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Boyd Gordon ($1.325m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Tom Sestito ($0.605m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN

Robyn Regehr ($4.000m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m) (Let me propose Tinordi until emelin is ready)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.225m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.500m)

GOALTENDERS

Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.400m)

OTHER

Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,333,333; BONUSES: $2,485,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,451,667



Signings

Robyn Regehr - 3yrs 4mill/per
Bryan Bickell - 3yrs 2.5mill/per
Boyd Gordon - 2yrs 1.325mill/per
Tom Sestito - 1yr 0.605mill/per
Ryan White - 2yrs 0.650mill/per
I like the signings just making a few tweaks (DD needs to be insulated to be effective)

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05-25-2013, 07:21 PM
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Kostitsyn is a piece of garbage who is likely done in the NHL. MB wouldn't bring this heartless bum anywhere near this team.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is everything I've ever felt about Kostitsyn, and have dedicated hundreds upon hundreds of words trying to explain as much, summed up succinctly in two sentences.

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05-25-2013, 07:49 PM
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It seems that ~95% of trade proposals on this forum are offering quantity for quality. It's good to be prepared for one when a Thornton or Pronger shakes loose, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that kind of scenario. I honestly wonder if NHL GMs have to deal with that same kind of quantity for quality offer day after day, rejecting proposal after proposal?
I think you come to the truth of it. The big names get traded when the teams that hold them decided to move them and look for a market. They don't get bought by who wants so much as they are sold by who has them.

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I would love me some Andrew Ladd on this team. What a year he had.

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Weber would cost way too much, seabrook is what the habs need
So pick Josh Morrissey at the draft.

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I would love me some Andrew Ladd on this team. What a year he had.
I would like to see him play with Plekanec.

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So pick Josh Morrissey at the draft.
What does Josh Morrissey have in common with Weber and Seabrook?

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I have asked this question on multiple occasions and have not gotten an answer.

Maybe you can help.

Do you know of any NHL coach who took his leading goal scorer off of the first line and bumped him down to the third line?

Thanks
If you watch the way he plays the game, Michael Ryder is more of a PP specialist than a 1st line player. He doesn't have a well rounded game. You know what you are going to get with Ryder... an opportunistic scorer who has unbelievably hot streaks and unbelievably cold streaks. I could be wrong but I think a lot of coaches would bump a guy like that down to the third line when he goes cold.

A good coach has to know what he has got with Ryder and I doubt many coaches consider him as a #1 right winger. It doesn't mean he can't be effective but he is never going to be consistently effective. We saw it earlier in his career in Montreal, we saw it in Boston and before his hot streak in Dallas that preceded his trade, he was unbelievably cold.

Finally, I would like to say that the offensive numbers among our top three centers were very close. What winger on the team wouldn't want to play with Lars Eller. He put up more assists than Plekanec or Desharnais despite having only 1/4 of the PP time.

Ryder is a decent player but it is crazy to project the numbers from one of his hot streaks or one of his cold streaks to an entire season or even half a season. If you really look at what he brings to the rink rather than his stats, he is a second or third line player.

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