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05-25-2013, 11:33 PM
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I've said it a million times: The Rangers need a triggerman from the points. They get a guy who can effectively shoot bombs from the point, that will completely change their PP.
McCabe sucked with the PP here, they need an offensive, smooth skating PMD or forward that can QB the point (Kovalchuk, Zetterberg) or the half wall (Thornton, RNH).

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A buddy of mine who is a Sabes' fan claims Vanek is most likely traded this off season. He's got one year left at just over $7MM. He scores goals and he's a LW. Slats needs to get in on the bidding.

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McCabe sucked with the PP here, they need an offensive, smooth skating PMD or forward that can QB the point (Kovalchuk, Zetterberg) or the half wall (Thornton, RNH).
McCabe sucked because they didn't have a legit QB on the PP when he was here. Stepan was the only guy who was an effective passer and he was a rookie.

Del Z was in the minors, and Richards hadn't been signed.

Now they have: Brassard, more experienced Step, Del Z, Zuc(if he gets used), Moore, etc. All those guys have playmaking ability for the PP. Not to mention guys like Stralman and McD...

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McCabe sucked because they didn't have a legit QB on the PP when he was here. Stepan was the only guy who was an effective passer and he was a rookie.

Del Z was in the minors, and Richards hadn't been signed.

Now they have: Brassard, more experienced Step, Del Z, Zuc(if he gets used), Moore, etc. All those guys have playmaking ability for the PP. Not to mention guys like Stralman and McD...
I think the problem with the PP lies more than a guy shooting at the net. There is simply no movement on it and lack of creativity. I don't think they're one Babchuk or McCabe lite away from being even average.

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I think the problem with the PP lies more than a guy shooting at the net. There is simply no movement on it and lack of creativity. I don't think they're one Babchuk or McCabe lite away from being even average.
A legit PP triggerman is not going to make them the best PP in the league. But it certainly would improve it dramatically. Instead of being bottom percentile, they could at least get to the upper middle. That would be huge.

A PP triggerman gives more options to the QB, and opens the middle of the Pk's box. A triggerman gives the PP a safety and opens lateral passing plays more effectively.

I think the biggest issue with the PP is not enough shots from high, or net presence.

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or Pk Subban.

Both of those guys would be massive for a PP.

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Opposition offensive defensemen pick apart the Rangers on a consistent basis. Its just too bad we don't have the same weapon.

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I think the Rangers need to find young players who can blossom. This team needs talent and we can't afford to pay thru the nose on long contracts for it...especially if Lundqvist will want top dollar after next season.

Oh yeah...and fire Torts!
They have that already. Let's give Lindberg and Fasth a shot to make the club.

Lindberg and also Miller can do the board and faceoff work, play good defense and add some offense.

Fasth has the talent to be a good player at this level, he just needs to bulk up and stay healthy. It's very possible he becomes Rick Nash's running mate next season. I think he's the logical guy to play with Nash and whatever center they choose. Nash should go back to LW.

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i want a Bickell Horton type player...a winger with size that uses it, physically, in front of the net and has an edge to his game, that can also skate.. i wouldnt mind Matt Beleksey or Kyle Clifford as an upgrade for the 4th line...


i want a younger version of Ryan Clowe type... i wouldnt mind Clowe back but no more than 3 years... and no more than 4 mil per year. rangers also need a rugged dman. id love someone like McQuaid Mark Stuart type dman... I cant wait till McIlrath makes this team but hopefully the NYR will have a physical d man that plays the same style to help McIlrath along. too bad Sauer had a bad head injury

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05-26-2013, 01:38 AM
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Inferno nailed it on the head; we don't need major changes but let me reiterate:

1. Change the system for defense / penalty kill. We let up too many goals from the point. Have speed guys like Hagelin, MZA, even Nash playing forward when we are on the penalty kill. That way we can force the defensman to make a play and if we block a shot we are off to the races with a breakaway on the SHG, kills time if anything else. See how Grabner does it in NYI, Gaborik even used to kill PKs when he was first in NY.

2. Hire another coach as powerplay specialist. Bernie Nicholls was the man in LA. Maybe even bring in Leetch, he seems to break down the powerplay problems well and can help out coaching penalty killing as well since he played that position. I think he would provide a more liberal perspective to counter Torts hard grinding style.

3. Sign Mark Streit. He is the PP point specialist we need and is a veteran presence we need on the defense corps. Staals been injured for 1 season the last two years and he's only 26; everything falls on McDonagh and he's only 23 for pete's sake! To develop players offensively you need an offensive leader and Streit can fill that role for not a lot of money. Get rid of MDZ. If he isn't providing offense I don't see his real value.

4. Give Richards another chance. He deserves it. Everyone's been disappointed in him and I have been as well but he's only 32; has played some big games for us and is a veteran presence. People never say it but he really is a nice guy and is a big competitor; he will do everything he can to re-tool his game to be consistent for us next year. I think his problems are more mental than physical. If he has as bad of a year next year as he did this season then get rid of him.

5. Re-sign Ryan Clowe. He's a big body that can forecheck and score and gives up some options. We gave up too much to let him go after a few weeks.

6. RE-SIGN HENRIK LUNDQVIST! Everyone knows this - he only has one year left in his contract and we can't let him test free agency next year. He's the only one you can give a 10 year contract extension to and it will make sense.

Sorry, but except for Lundqvist this is a recipe to repeat disaster

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05-26-2013, 01:55 AM
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How many pieces away are we with this lineup? Gotta believe there will be some minor movement besides resigning our free agents (maybe Eminger also gets resigned). Looking at free agency plus quite a few probable compliance buyouts means that there will be some players available that might be of interest for Sather. And after the Richards buyout, which imo is almost certain now, there is quite the bit of cap space left. More trades? I am not really seeing this due to the huge turnover we have been seeing already - without any measurable positive results IMO, but you never know. Everybody wants a big forward that can score and a real PP defender with a rocket on D, but these assets are not easy to come by. A large amount of talent that is in the pipeline might however mean the trade option becomes likely, especially if we have a slow start. If we added Bobby Ryan and Marc Streit here (subtracting MDZ and some other pieces) would that suffice? Is that even possible? Yes, fire Torts btw! Go ahead and add and subtract:

FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Derek Stepan ($3.300m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.700m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Arron Asham ($1.000m) / Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / John Moore ($0.965m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

OTHER
Buyout: Brad Richards ($0.000m)
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TOTALS
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,165,000; BONUSES: $762,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $5,897,500

PROSPECTS/MINORS

FORWARDS
Brandon Mashinter ($0.605m likely resigned) / Kris Newbury ($0.600m) / Christian Thomas ($0.970m)
Marek Hrivik ($0.685m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Jesper Fasth ($0.900m)
Kyle Jean ($0.925m) / J.T. Miller ($1.244m) / Micheal Haley ($0.600m)
Ryan Bourque ($0.900m) / Michael St. Croix ($0.900m) / Josh Nicholls ($0.925m)
Jason Wilson ($0.588m) / Andrew Yogan ($0.800m) / Michael Kantor ($0.583m)

DEFENSEMEN
Conor Allen ($1.775m) / Dylan McIlrath ($1.295m)
Mike Vernace ($0.525m might be resigned) / Tommy Hughes ($0.608m)
Stu Bickel ($0.750m) / Sam Noreau (likely signs an ELC)
Sam Klassen (AHL contract)

GOALTENDERS
Jason Missiaen ($0.750m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)


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05-26-2013, 07:11 AM
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We have a Lucic in Clowe, people didn't get to see it this year but I'd really like him back, I think with all the trouble he had this year he will take a lesser deal.

Outside of that those guys are really hard to find.

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Get a real first line center.
Brassard and Stephan are 2/3s, not consistent enough to be a sure fire 2 let alone a 1.

Get another defenseman, very little depth again.
If Staal and Saur never got hurt, this d would be set aside from needing a PP specialist as the 6th.
I was so damn high n Sauer. I was sure he as going to wind up being a perfect 1st pairing with McD...

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First.

Torts needs to adjust his strategy. Simply put, WAY too much separation between the oppositions points and our wingers. Wingers need to be higher in the zone, take away the pass up high, force it to be a 3 on 3 game down low. Take your chance that Henrik can beat the other teams shooters...he's alreayd doing so anyway.

Next, flee the zone quicker, I want to see us stretching other teams out with longer passes.

I wouldn't be up for a MASSIVE change, but there's a few things that we need to do to the team.

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Get a dedicated PP coach and FORCE Torts to keep him on the bench. I don't care what Torts says. Stick Brian Leetch between Torts and Sully and let Leetchy handle the PP. That's it. Nothing more.

Next, make a judgement call on Richards & Clowe. I say, keep Richards. Give Richards 1 more season. I'd even consider moving him to wing. Let Clowe walk... I've been waffeling a bit on this, I just don't think he helps us. Too slow.

I think I'd also let Zucc go. Talented kid, but too small to play against these bigger teams, and his speed look like it kept getting slower and slower.

I'd try to make a move for Bobby Ryan or something like that by Trading MDZ, Pyatt++

Sign Streit. We need to have our PP fixed, Streit does it.

Go with something like this.


Ryan - Brassard - Nash
Kreider - Stepan - Callahan
Hagelin - Richards - Boyle
Dorsett - Lindberg - Miller

Girardi, Staal, MCD, Streit, Stralman, Eminger, McIlrath

That's right. 3-4 rookies.

I don't give 2 craps about winning or losing next season, I care about getting younger and faster.

Next offseason, buyout Richards, and look to use that money in keeping all our RFAs

If that math up there doesn't work...then you'll have to buyout Richards and get an adequate replacement in the top 9.
Staal for Ryan straight up. Been saying it for 2 yrs now

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Staal for Ryan straight up. Been saying it for 2 yrs now
If Staal is never gonna be the Staal of old. Then I agree. We simply do not know. If healthy, still our best dman as he was clearly missed this series as well as clowe. Anaheim wouldn't do it yet without seeing him play unless they get multiple dr opinions. I think MDZ plus others in a package for Ryan. Sign FA dman.

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Do people think this is a cup contending team or even a team that can crack the top 8. lol


"Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Zuccarello-Brassard-Kreider/Hrivik (This line is risk/reward if Kreider is slotted in here)
Callahan-Lindberg-Kreider/Hrivik
Asham-Boyle-Dorsett
Fasth-Miller-Thomas/Pyatt can slot in pretty much anywhere depending on how training camp goes and/or injuries.

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Del Zotto
Stralman-Moore
McIlrath-Eminger for injuries.

I want this look on the PP
Moore
Zuccarello Brassard
Stepan Callahan"

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Merging with the "Speculation thread" to make one catch-all "Be the GM" Thread. We're going to have a separate thread for vetted rumors.


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Staal for Ryan straight up. Been saying it for 2 yrs now
Value may be close consiering Staal is/has been injured a good portion of the last two seasons, then again Anaheim probably wants us to add.

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If Staal is never gonna be the Staal of old. Then I agree. We simply do not know. If healthy, still our best dman as he was clearly missed this series as well as clowe. Anaheim wouldn't do it yet without seeing him play unless they get multiple dr opinions. I think MDZ plus others in a package for Ryan. Sign FA dman.
If he's not the Staal of old and is some shell of his former self due to injury it's ludicrous to think he still has extremely high value.

As far as what I would do, long talk with the coach, see what his plans are for next season as he needs to adapt his system to the players we have. I don't go chasing players to fit his system again seeing how it worked out this time.

Sign Clowe, hopefully 1yr 3m to see if his body will hold up might add to the offer to get him to stick around let him know he has two more years available if he performs an stays healthy. If it's a no go I offer 3yr 3m and not a penny more. Either he takes a bit of a hit for one year to prove it or he get's a smaller offer. If he had been healthy and performed well I wouldn't balk at 3yr 4m.

See what we can get for MDZ, I like the kid and know he'll continue to progress but his negative impact outweighed his positives this season. If we can get a solid young wing for MDZ or MDZ + Prospect I do it.

Let the young guys like Miller, Hrvik, Lindberg, Fasth battle the older guys like Powe, Pyatt, Asham for bottom 6 rolls.

Buy out Richards if Torts sticks around, if Torts leaves give Brad one more year under new coach.

Add a shot from the back end.

Let the D stay mostly intact with McIlrath getting a good shot at camp.

As far as top six goes the only guy I really replace if someone significantly better is available is Zuccarello, I like him but he's low man on the totem pole.

Get enough depth to allow Callahan to play 3rd line special teams minutes only.


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Solid post at least you took time to think things through and type out a coherent post.



Value may be close consiering Staal is/has been injured a good portion of the last two seasons, then again Anaheim probably wants us to add.



If he's not the Staal of old and is some shell of his former self due to injury it's ludicrous to think he still has extremely high value.

As far as what I would do, long talk with the coach, see what his plans are for next season as he needs to adapt his system to the players we have. I don't go chasing players to fit his system again seeing how it worked out this time.

Sign Clowe, hopefully 1yr 3m to see if his body will hold up might add to the offer to get him to stick around let him know he has two more years available if he performs an stays healthy. If it's a no go I offer 3yr 3m and not a penny more. Either he takes a bit of a hit for one year to prove it or he get's a smaller offer. If he had been healthy and performed well I wouldn't balk at 3yr 4m.

See what we can get for MDZ, I like the kid and know he'll continue to progress but his negative impact outweighed his positives this season. If we can get a solid young wing for MDZ or MDZ + Prospect I do it.

Let the young guys like Miller, Hrvik, Lindberg, Fasth battle the older guys like Powe, Pyatt, Asham for bottom 6 rolls.

Buy out Richards if Torts sticks around, if Torts leaves give Brad one more year under new coach.

Add a shot from the back end.

Let the D stay mostly intact with McIlrath getting a good shot at camp.

As far as top six goes the only guy I really replace if someone significantly better is available is Zuccarello, I like him but he's low man on the totem pole.

Get enough depth to allow Callahan to play 3rd line PK minutes only.
Callahan is second in power play goals since 2009 only to Alex Ovechkin. 12 in 2011-2012 on our inept PP is not something to discard. I think he should be used on the 1st unit in front of the net, but on a strong 3rd line. I really want to see Hagelin-O'Reilly-Callahan as our 3rd/2B next year.


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If Eriksson is available the Rangers should go,hard after him. He is a legit top-6 LWer who plays a solid 2-way game.

MDZ + Pyatt for Eriksson

They need more grit that can play a consistent shift. I thought Haley looked good in his limited ice time. Asham and Haley can be the 12th/13th forwards next season.

Pyatt is too slow for this system. He can't get in on the forecheck effectively. Please trade him.

Powe provides no offense. Please trade him.

Eriksson-Brassard-Nash
_______-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Lindberg-Dorsett
______-Boyle-Haley
Asham

I would sign Nystrom as the 4th line LW. He is a superb PKer, a great skater and will drop the gloves. He is very similar to Gregory Campbell with a bit more offense.

I would think Kreider will be ready to step into that top-6 role.

Eriksson-Brassard-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Callahan
Hagelin-Lindberg-Dorsett
Nystrom-Boyle-Haley
Asham

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-______
______

With the trade of MDZ the Rangers need another Top-6 defenseman and they need at least 1 depth dman (preferably 2). Here is how I would go about this.

1) re-sign Eminger as a depth d-man. He fits the system. He knows his role. His coach likes him. His teammates like him.
2) Sign Douglas Murray. I think he will take a 2 year deal. He is one of the ultimate battlers on the blue line in the NHL. He and Hank are friends. He stands up for his teammates, throws bone crushing hits, and has a bomb from the point. His feet have slowed a bit and it may be ugly to everyone else but he knows his role. Ideal #6 for this team.
3) Sign Marc-Andre Bergeron. Use him as a depth player who can play as the #7 dman or a 4th line winger when needed. He would help the PP even by just being at practice. Also, teams seem to love adding MAB at the deadline, so if he doesn't fit, he is the perfect player to return an asset at the deadline.

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Moore-Murray
Eminger, MAB

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A buddy of mine who is a Sabes' fan claims Vanek is most likely traded this off season. He's got one year left at just over $7MM. He scores goals and he's a LW. Slats needs to get in on the bidding.
Staal + Del Zotto + (JT) Miller/Skjei for Vanek, Sulzer, and Ehrhoff

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Only major change that I want to see is Torts getting let go.

Give Richie one more year with a new system.

Infuse some youth into the lineup - Lindberg, Miller, Fasth battling for a spot or two.

I think our lineup is good, I just think we need a different approach to the game, a different voice.

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Callahan is second in power play goals since 2009 only to Alex Ovechkin. 12 in 2011-2012 on our inept PP is not something to discard. I think he should be used on the 1st unit in front of the net, but on a strong 3rd line. I really want to see Hagelin-O'Reilly-Callahan as our 3rd/2B next year.
Sorry didn't mean that, edited original post lol. Meant special teams, because yes he is solid down low on the PP.

MAB wouldn't be a terrible pick up, he's pretty pedestrian outside of the PP though. Have to carry seven D just to use him on the special teams, or six and rotate five which with our D is fine during the regular season but they get worn own in the PO's. Would like someone who can take a regular shift.

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