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05-26-2013, 12:04 PM
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You call it poop on their party.

I prefer the word reality.

Once Collberg starts lighting the lamp and scoring points, start pumping his tires. Until then, it looks fanboyish.
He's been a PPG+ on every level until he started playing against men, had he been a PPG-player in the SEL, or AS for that matter, he wouldn't been around in the 2nd round of the draft.
As a prospect - which he IS - his production has been fine, the hard part is to take it to the next level.

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05-26-2013, 12:14 PM
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I did bring up his biggest flaw. His lack of point production.

You can go back in this thread to see how bringing up a flaw of Collberg is received on this forum.

Yeah, and the context was explained (however I have a feeling you already knew).

In the mean time we can continue to discuss our prospects, despite how some people think it's "fanboyish" to discuss a prospect on a ...wait for it....prospect based forum.

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05-26-2013, 12:16 PM
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Give it a rest.

He is a kid playing on a veteran roster in a men's league.....and a low scoring league at that.

Perhaps we should just fire all of our scouts and draft the players with the highest point totals because they couldn't possibly have any flaws.

As of right now Collberg is intriguing due to his skillset. It is possible that he could be a bust but it is also possible that he could become a strong top 6 forward in the NHL. His current stats have absolutely no bearing on his potential and you don't need to look any further then Daniel Alfredsson for a point of comparison.
Over reaction much?

Fire the scouts?

Relax man. Collberg is a smallish player. He had better learn to score points in a men's league.

And that is all I am saying.

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05-26-2013, 12:21 PM
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Fun fact, Collberg is the 10th youngest player to play in the Elitserien.

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Young players in the SEL don't have a lot of point production. Let's be realistic here Sundin had 18 points when he played there, Silfverberg had 16 in his first full season in the SEL.

It's a very defense oriented league and most players do not hit PPG. There's a lot of space and time on the bigger ice descissuons are made slower and allows better defensive play.

It take a while when Swedes come over to adjust because there us less space and less time here and it's way more physical.

Rundblad was pumped soooo hard because of his point production in the SEL, and look how well that has turned out.


SEL point production is a bad way to measure how a swede is developing.

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So this guy id a big rugged tough and nasty forward right,,,?

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So this guy id a big rugged tough and nasty forward right,,,?
He doesn't shy away form the physical play, but no, he is not that player

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He doesn't shy away form the physical play, but no, he is not that player
oh cr-p! Another munchkin and yellow at that!

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oh cr-p! Another munchkin and yellow at that!
No he is not yellow, either...

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Over reaction much?

Fire the scouts?

Relax man. Collberg is a smallish player. He had better learn to score points in a men's league.

And that is all I am saying.
Everything he said was spot on yet you continue to talk about points only, his production was very good for someone of his age getting little ice time. Not to mention that due to the lockout in his first few games before being loaned he barely played. Next season he's going to have a chance to play a bigger role for his team and his production is going to increase. Keep in mind that this was never a player who was supposed to come in the NHL soon, he's a long term project with an amazing skillset.

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05-27-2013, 11:23 AM
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Over reaction much?

Fire the scouts?

Relax man. Collberg is a smallish player. He had better learn to score points in a men's league.

And that is all I am saying.
that's like saying beaulieu better get bigger. its a process. I think what's satisfying about Collberg is his clutch skills and his offensive flair. He played with players with Sweden that matched his pace and he looked amazing.

Bergevin stated many times how he thought we were so lucky to grab him late in the draft. He also said that he looked better than Forsberg when they played for country. Bergevin is high on him and that alone makes me want to see more of Collberg. its also a way to judge MB as well. unexpected contrat for me, but I'm really happy and thrilled to see how he does in Hamilton.

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You call it poop on their party.

I prefer the word reality.

Once Collberg starts lighting the lamp and scoring points, start pumping his tires. Until then, it looks fanboyish.
You heard it guys, fun police have arrived. Stop being excited about our prospects.

Everyone to the "do the Habs need a heavyweight enforcer?" thread, please.

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05-27-2013, 12:24 PM
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You heard it guys, fun police have arrived. Stop being excited about our prospects.

Everyone to the "do the Habs need a heavyweight enforcer?" thread, please.
rightaway sir!

so how much should we offer Orr ? 3.5m ? leave those cheap entry level contracts in the AHL. everyone knows that's how you win a Stanley cup, look at the winners for the past 5 years! oh wait.

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05-27-2013, 12:47 PM
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We need to trade Collberg, Kristo, Hudon and our picks (because Timmins will probably just take a smurf!) for McGratten or Bordeleau.

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We need to trade Collberg, Kristo, Hudon and our picks (because Timmins will probably just take a smurf!) for McGratten or Bordeleau.
You just know hockey, man. I know I can always look to your for guidance and good judgement.

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You just know hockey, man. I know I can always look to your for guidance and good judgement.
Well I did put so much effort into that one.

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Well I did put so much effort into that one.
At least 15 brews deep type of effort.

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05-27-2013, 02:54 PM
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To all those going nuts about me saying that he needs to work on his skating: I did not say he was a bad skater. All I am saying is that with the type of game he plays (YES I SAW HIM PLAY?!?!) he will need to be above average/close to elite IN THE NHL. Stop going all defensive on a prospect all the time geez. If you want him to perfom in a top 6 role, his skating is definitely not there yet given the type of game he plays.
personally I didn't see any problems with his skating that would cause me concern, in fact I thought his skating was very good in any of the games I've seen him. For me the big thing is getting stronger and improving lower body strength, but I also don't know how he will handle playing against physical teams so that will be a big test for him at the NHL level down the road.

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You call it poop on their party.

I prefer the word reality.

Once Collberg starts lighting the lamp and scoring points, start pumping his tires. Until then, it looks fanboyish.
My suggestion first would be to better understand things as your repeated comments just make you look like you have no clue what you are talking about. With more realistic expectations you might see things in a different light. That said it's still very early in his development so we'll have to wait and see how much he can progress. I personally think he's one of our best prospects and I think he actually had a very good season overall but I also know that he's still got a ways to go and a lot can happen between now and then.

That said I don't think there's anything wrong with caution either, just that your come across in this thread as not really knowing what you are talking about and after it's been explained you still seem set on not listening and just repeating the same message.

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05-27-2013, 05:38 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if people know what a prospect/potential even means...

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pros·pect
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Some people are exited about the 'possibility' or 'likelihood' of what Collberg may develop into in the future. This not being a sure thing is a given...practically in the definition of prospect and potential.

If a player is a lock for being a good player he isn't really a prospect.

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Sometimes I wonder if people know what a prospect even is...



Some people are exited about the 'possibility' or 'likelihood' of what Collberg may become. If a player is a sure bet he isn't a prospect.
No.

He's a surefire scoring line winger. If Avtsin was Ovy-lite then Collberg is a better and less socially awkward Phil Kessel. We got STEAL at the top of the 2nd round. We're set for the future baby!

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Collberg is bigger than Gallagher.

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At least 15 brews deep type of effort.
Am I drunk? Or did you actually miss the sarcasm on that one?

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Is he still compared to A. Semin ?

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Came here to find out about a prospect, instead just got to read dudes arguing.

So, what is the likelihood Collberg will play in Hamilton next year? Or will he most likely stay in Sweden?

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Came here to find out about a prospect, instead just got to read dudes arguing.

So, what is the likelihood Collberg will play in Hamilton next year? Or will he most likely stay in Sweden?
He's very likely going back to Sweden.

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