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04-09-2013, 06:14 AM
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as far as bobrovskiy goes.

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Would be a mistake to leave off Tarasenko and Kuznetsov. They will be a year older and a year better next year.

Talent and youth will win us the gold. It won't be Mozyakin.

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So who can we agree on so far?

Goalies : 2

Bobrovsky
Varlamov

Defensemen : 5

Kulikov
Voynov
Tyutin
A. Markov
Emelin

Forwards : 9

Malkin
Datsyuk
Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Semin
Radulov
Kulemin
Yakupov
Tarasenko
Not locks: Tyutin, Kulemin, Yakupov.

What will be of Emelin's knee by then? Hopefully fully healed and with enough games under his belt before the big event.

As someone has pointed out, Medvedev and Nikulin are virtual locks. Kuznetsov is probable. Tereschenko is also, I think, probable. Anisimov is a good bet to be the other center.

Like Atas, I also see Varlamov as the #1 goalie. He's in a bad situation and that is not his fault.

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04-10-2013, 01:22 AM
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So who can we agree on so far?

Goalies : 2

Bobrovsky
Varlamov

Defensemen : 5

Kulikov
Voynov
Tyutin
A. Markov
Emelin

Forwards : 9

Malkin
Datsyuk
Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Semin
Radulov
Kulemin
Yakupov
Tarasenko
Dont forget Kovalev

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04-10-2013, 06:15 AM
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Dont forget Kovalev
and Sushinskiy...oh what the heck, Fetisov too....and the actor from the "Legend 17" movie!

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and Bykov.... at least he got a chance to play in Sotchii

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You guys have too many players on "lock" status. I think we'll see some surprise names on the final roster.

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05-27-2013, 10:21 AM
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I hope

Malkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk,
Semin, Tarasenko, Yakupov,
Kuznetsov, Oveckin, Soin,
Kulemin, Burmistrov, Zherdev

Defence

Voynov, Kulikov
Orlov, Medvedev
Zaitsev Emelin

Goalies

Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, Yeromenko

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Goalies

Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, Yeromenko
Vasilevksy in 2018 for sure. Why do you want an 18 year old goalie as your backup?

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Vasilevksy in 2018 for sure. Why do you want an 18 year old goalie as your backup?
You probably don`t saw USA : Russia in latest IIHF quarterfinal...

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I hope

Malkin, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk,
Semin, Tarasenko, Yakupov,
Kuznetsov, Oveckin, Soin,
Kulemin, Burmistrov, Zherdev

Defence

Voynov, Kulikov
Orlov, Medvedev
Zaitsev Emelin

Goalies

Bobrovsky, Vasilevsky, Yeromenko
I hope that we will have more than 3 centers on our roster

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06-02-2013, 11:23 AM
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I hope that we will have more than 3 centers on our roster
How about Grigorenko ?
7.2.2014 is still long way ahead...

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06-02-2013, 02:51 PM
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How about Grigorenko ?
7.2.2014 is still long way ahead...
I remember that when asked about his possible participation in Sochi Nichushkin said something like "If I'll get to the NHL and will score more goals than others there, then I'm sure I will get called up to NT".
I think the same about Grigorenko - if he will have a great training camp, will get regular place at Buffalo roster and will kick everyone's butt next season then I'm sure Bilyaletdinov will be glad to see another high-class center on the roster.
I can see that you're kind of fond of young talanted players (me too, actually), but I think that the story is the same everytime - every player needs to prove that the talent is not the only thing that he has.

Also, as we were discussing in the neighbouring thread, I would remind that there should be players capable of playing defense or we will be thrashed more than 3-7 or 3-8. I like Anisimov for the 3-rd line center role actually, even though he wasn't really good at the WC (we should remember that he was completely out of form because of recent concussion).

By the way, I like your idea of taking Vasilevsky to Sochi, but I would take him as a 3-rd goalie.

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Also, as we were discussing in the neighbouring thread, I would remind that there should be players capable of playing defense or we will be thrashed more than 3-7 or 3-8.
Wait but those were supposed to be in Vancouver 2010 no ?
But who will score goals then ? Goalie ? Crowd ?

IMHO even your biggest NHL starts like Semin, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, especially Radulov he useless in offense too don`t care about his glorious QMJHL days, Malkin are useless in defense, should those be changed with Grigorenko, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Nichushkin ?


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Wait but those were supposed to be in Vancouver 2010 no ?
But who will score goals then ? Goalie ? Crowd ?

IMHO even your biggest NHL starts like Semin, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, especially Radulov he useless in offense too don`t care about his glorious QMJHL days, Malkin are useless in defense, should those be changed with Grigorenko, Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Nichushkin ?
No, Vancouver 2010 was completely different thing - there were no defensive forwards except Datsyuk at all (Afinogenov playing on a PK - kind of tells it all). When picking the roster Bykov told that he is putting 'chemistries' at first place, so if you take a look on the lines you can see that no role management was made (compare this to the well balanced Canada team) and the roster reminded some kind of all-star team roster.

You can't say that there is no attacking potential: Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Semin, Datsyuk, Malkin are NHL PPGs, which is a quality mark. Radulov is a KHL PPG several years in a row, also looked good at offense in Nashville - you can't ignore that also (although I must admit that I'm not a fan of his contraversial personality, would like to see Tarasenko instead). Also there is the fact that they have already proven that they know how to put the puck into the net for Russia NT.

About the defense, I'm not saying that everyone should be able to play good at defense, but I mean that even on attacking lines there should be somebody, who is a little bit more defensively minded - someone from two-way guys (Datsyuk, Kokarev, Kulemin, Anisimov, maybe Popov and Soin). This is because of the following reasons:

1. Our defense is weak (3-8, you know), it needs some help from forwards
2. Star players need someone to do the 'dirty' part for them
3. PK - there should be at least 2 centers and 2 wingers that can be good at PK

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You can't say that there is no attacking potential: Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Semin, Datsyuk, Malkin are NHL PPGs, which is a quality mark. Radulov is a KHL PPG several years in a row, also looked good at offense in Nashville - you can't ignore that also (although I must admit that I'm not a fan of his contraversial personality, would like to see Tarasenko instead). Also there is the fact that they have already proven that they know how to put the puck into the net for Russia NT.
I have no doubt about attacking potential of those players but their defensive potential which is of course other story.
But how come do you know what potential have guys like Tarasenko, Burmistrov, Yakupov, Grigorenko in NT ? Had they a chance to prove it ? When will that chance occur ? At they 30s ? Ovechkin, Malkin had that chance in 2006 Torino even they were benched most of that time.
And i doubt they were a lot better then Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Yakupov and Grigorenko now.

If Bilatledinulov will again choose players like Frolov, Mozjakin and etc Zaripov, Zinoviev or who, Sochi 2014 will be even bigger fail then Vancouver 2010. Because those proven NT guys have absolutely nothing new to show...


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Ovechkin, Malkin had that chance in 2006 Torino even they were benched most of that time.
At the year 2006 Ovechkin and Malkin were already stars, if you look at the stats from 2005/2006 season:
Ovechkin had 52+54 in 81 NHL games
Malkin had 21+26 in 46 RSL games
They went to Torino because they had deserved it by playing high-class hockey at their clubs, not because of their youth. Today's prospects are nowhere near at the moment. And I can't agree that they were benched most of time, they had their ice time: Ovi scored 5 goals in 8 games, Malkin had 2+4 in 7 games.

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I have no doubt about attacking potential of those players but their defensive potential which is of course other story.
But how come do you know what potential have guys like Tarasenko, Burmistrov, Yakupov, Grigorenko in NT ? Had they a chance to prove it ? When will that chance occur ? At they 30s ? Ovechkin, Malkin had that chance in 2006 Torino even they were benched most of that time.
And i doubt they were a lot better then Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Yakupov and Grigorenko now.

If Bilatledinulov will again choose players like Frolov, Mozjakin and etc Zaripov, Zinoviev or who, Sochi 2014 will be even bigger fail then Vancouver 2010. Because those proven NT guys have absolutely nothing new to show...
Semin is a good defensively, and Kovalchuk and Malkin are off and on. I'd say the only liabilities are Ovechkin and Radulov.....and they can be paired with more defensive oriented players.

Nothing wrong defensively with something like this:
Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Radulov
Kulemin - Malkin - (maybe one of the young players)
Ovechkin - Tereschenko - Semin
Soin/Anisimov/Svitov/Kokarev/

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At the year 2006 Ovechkin and Malkin were already stars, if you look at the stats from 2005/2006 season:
Ovechkin had 52+54 in 81 NHL games
Malkin had 21+26 in 46 RSL games
They went to Torino because they had deserved it by playing high-class hockey at their clubs, not because of their youth. Today's prospects are nowhere near at the moment. And I can't agree that they were benched most of time, they had their ice time: Ovi scored 5 goals in 8 games, Malkin had 2+4 in 7 games.
What ?

Evgeni Kuznetsov 88 points in last 100 games. And KHL is now quite different level than RSL...

Nail Yakupov rookie in KHL 22 games and 18 points in team like Niznekamsk... NHL team like Edmonton 48 games and 31 points...

Vlad Tarasenko 31 KHL games 31 points...

Please tell your Bilatdilyounov to replace for ever Radulov with Yakupov that will help your NT team a lot.

Because there are a lot useless NT player among your team... Radulov only damages chemistry and he is alcoholic with bad discipline look what he did in Nashville, Tereschenko is useless when there are no starts along him, Semin is solo player.

I would bet 100 eur that if you kicked this players you will be first in Sochi...


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Semin is solo player.
How many Carolina games have you seen this season?

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How many Carolina games have you seen this season?
How come that he don`t play like that in every NT event ?

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How come that he don`t play like that in every NT event ?
It's simple. He does.

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It's simple. He does.
Nah, you must confuse him with someone else.

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What ?

Evgeni Kuznetsov 88 points in last 100 games. And KHL is now quite different level than RSL...

Nail Yakupov rookie in KHL 22 games and 18 points in team like Niznekamsk... NHL team like Edmonton 48 games and 31 points...

Vlad Tarasenko 31 KHL games 31 points...

Please tell your Bilatdilyounov to replace for ever Radulov with Yakupov that will help your NT team a lot.

Because there are a lot useless NT player among your team... Radulov only damages chemistry and he is alcoholic with bad discipline look what he did in Nashville, Tereschenko is useless when there are no starts along him, Semin is solo player.

I would bet 100 eur that if you kicked this players you will be first in Sochi...
Claiming to replace Radulov is really out of this world. You obviously are negatively biased against Radulov. Also the claim he'd be an alcoholic. Just hold the horses for a second. You are galopping right into obscutity. Even a lot of Nashville fans don't see how Radulov was treated right after they came to the hotel an hour and a half past curfew. Nobody have ever had evidence fo him having a drinking problem. What is this BS? He's no rocket scientist when you talk to him, he talks to the refs too much, he gets overemotional at times. Does this make him a bad hockey player? No. He's still a PPG producer on any level. That's not something you are throwing away. He also is a good teammate if you actually ask the players he played with and not some bisaed fans.

Tereshenko is a PK and a faceoff specialist. A good fit on the 3rd line. Also a great team player and a hard worker. Obviously his place is not on the 1st line, but he's a valuabele asset to the team.

Syomin is everything else but a "solo player".

Sorry, buddy, we're not cutting into our own leg. Those guys are locks fot the NT.

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Nah, you must confuse him with someone else.
Sorry, I've seen every game. Putting aside Syomin was always a beast on the NT I've never seen him being selfish.

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