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05-22-2013, 11:00 AM
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I don't think Teräväinen is ready for the NHL.
He's not at full SM-Liiga level physically yet, makes zero sense to rush him.

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Hey all,

Just wondering what your thoughts are regarding Jeremy Morin's future next season. Is he ready for the NHL? Can he crack the Hawks lineup? It's looking like Stalberg & Bickell could be gone next season. Would Morin start off on the 3rd or 4th line, or could there be a spot for him in the top 6? If not, how many years could he take to get there?

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Hey all,

Just wondering what your thoughts are regarding Jeremy Morin's future next season. Is he ready for the NHL? Can he crack the Hawks lineup? It's looking like Stalberg & Bickell could be gone next season. Would Morin start off on the 3rd or 4th line, or could there be a spot for him in the top 6? If not, how many years could he take to get there?

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One of Morin/Smith is very likely to begin next year on the third line with Berg and/or Bicks leaving to free agency. But, knowing Q, they'll definitely get top six time.

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05-25-2013, 02:32 PM
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Mac Carruth had a big game vs. London last night. He made 34 saves in a 2-1 victory. London was pouring it on at the end of the game and he made several nice saves.

Here's a quote from a teammate.

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“He was great tonight,” Green said of his goaltender. “I thought it was his best game of the tournament. Just a great performance by a guy that we’ve leaned on for a long time now. It doesn’t surprise us, but he came up big.”

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05-25-2013, 05:47 PM
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Hey all,

Just wondering what your thoughts are regarding Jeremy Morin's future next season. Is he ready for the NHL? Can he crack the Hawks lineup? It's looking like Stalberg & Bickell could be gone next season. Would Morin start off on the 3rd or 4th line, or could there be a spot for him in the top 6? If not, how many years could he take to get there?

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It both Stalberg/Bickell leave, then I would say it's all but guaranteed that Morin makes the team next year. If only one of them leaves (most likely Stalberg) than he'll be battling with Ben Smith and Jimmy Hayes for the last spot on the team. I could see the lines looking like this next year:

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri/LeBlanc - Hossa
Bickell - Bolland - Morin
Shaw - Kruger - Smith
Carcillo, Bollig

And if Teravainen comes over and makes the team, then things get really interesting.

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05-25-2013, 09:27 PM
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It both Stalberg/Bickell leave, then I would say it's all but guaranteed that Morin makes the team next year. If only one of them leaves (most likely Stalberg) than he'll be battling with Ben Smith and Jimmy Hayes for the last spot on the team. I could see the lines looking like this next year:

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri/LeBlanc - Hossa
Bickell - Bolland - Morin
Shaw - Kruger - Smith
Carcillo, Bollig

And if Teravainen comes over and makes the team, then things get really interesting.
If Hawks are not adding a #2 C then there is no reason to move Frolik as there will be plenty of cap room

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05-25-2013, 11:59 PM
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If Hawks are not adding a #2 C then there is no reason to move Frolik as there will be plenty of cap room
How so?

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS

Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Drew Leblanc ($0.874m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($3.300m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.887m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.700m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) /

DEFENSEMEN

Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Nick Leddy ($2.750m) / Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)
Ryan Stanton ($0.600m) /

GOALTENDERS

Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery/UFA ($1.200m)

Trade: Michael Frolik ($0.000m)
Buyout: Steve Montador ($0.000m)
Buyout: Rostislav Olesz ($0.000m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,033,420; BONUSES: $167,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $434,080


Now, please come back and tell me why Dave Bolland should be traded, so that Frolik can stay - And, do keep in mind, I've been one of Frolik's biggest supporters throughout his tenure in Chicago.

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05-26-2013, 08:46 AM
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Hoss you think Bicks gets 3.3 ?! I do think he should stay over Stalberg.

Do you think the 4th line needs some more size and snarl ?

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05-26-2013, 09:23 AM
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Now, please come back and tell me why Dave Bolland should be traded, so that Frolik can stay - And, do keep in mind, I've been one of Frolik's biggest supporters throughout his tenure in Chicago.

Because his production and injury history does not warrant a 3.3 hit.

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05-26-2013, 01:39 PM
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How so?

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS

Brandon Saad ($0.894m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Drew Leblanc ($0.874m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($3.300m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Jeremy Morin ($0.887m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.578m) / Marcus Kruger ($1.700m) / Ben Smith ($0.563m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) /

DEFENSEMEN

Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Nick Leddy ($2.750m) / Sheldon Brookbank ($1.250m)
Ryan Stanton ($0.600m) /

GOALTENDERS

Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery/UFA ($1.200m)

Trade: Michael Frolik ($0.000m)
Buyout: Steve Montador ($0.000m)
Buyout: Rostislav Olesz ($0.000m)

------

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,033,420; BONUSES: $167,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $434,080


Now, please come back and tell me why Dave Bolland should be traded, so that Frolik can stay - And, do keep in mind, I've been one of Frolik's biggest supporters throughout his tenure in Chicago.
- Bickell is not getting 3.3M from Hawks
- Kruger and Leddy make too much in your list (Leddy would be getting bigger deal then Subban/Kulikov/Del Zotto got so that is not happening)

As for why Bolland should be traded instead of Frolik

- Bolland is awful in every aspect of hockey right now ,, Frolik actually helps the Hawks team with his PK/forecheck
- Bolland has a horrendous cap hit for what he brings
- Bolland simply cant stay healthy and is major injury risk
- Bolland takes idiotic penalties
- Bolland has a long history of going MIA for weeks/months
- Bolland shows very little hustle and is lazy most nights

At end of day there is no reason Dave Bolland should be with Hawks at start of next year.. He brings very little to table anymore and is at this point dragging down his linemates in whatever situation he is put in

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05-26-2013, 01:42 PM
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- Bickell is not getting 3.3M from Hawks
- Kruger and Leddy make too much in your list (Leddy would be getting bigger deal then Subban/Kulikov/Del Zotto got so that is not happening)

As for why Bolland should be traded instead of Frolik

- Bolland is awful in every aspect of hockey right now ,, Frolik actually helps the Hawks team with his PK/forecheck
- Bolland has a horrendous cap hit for what he brings
- Bolland simply cant stay healthy and is major injury risk
- Bolland takes idiotic penalties
- Bolland has a long history of going MIA for weeks/months
- Bolland shows very little hustle and is lazy most nights

At end of day there is no reason Dave Bolland should be with Hawks at start of next year.. He brings very little to table anymore and is at this point dragging down his linemates in whatever situation he is put in
You can add to your list that he's going into the last year of his contract and isn't worth a raise.

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05-26-2013, 02:23 PM
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good to see Carruth coming up huge for his team. He learned how it feels to win games

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05-26-2013, 03:16 PM
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BICKELL WOULD GET upto that amount 3.3 million..Bolland range money due to his good third liner productipn and good playpff productipn. Plus size and hits givrn that other Tom Dick And Harry's willbe getting that...The Hawks need Bickell more than theu do oft injured, lousy at faceoffs and takes mo killer penalties Bollamd...Ypu don'thing WPG wouldn'T WAMT TO ADD. BICKELL TO THEIR LINEUP FOR THAT MARKET PRICE WHICH IS ABOUT THE GOING RATE THESE DAYS FOR VEY THIRD LINERS WITH Bickell Production and +/- level? Or maybe Florida needibg to reach a cap floor? OR Colorado wamting more size? IMAGINE THE Hawks smaller eith one less Bog Body...no we Nred him and that id the price ramge perhaps minus a discount to $3 million even it willtake to retain him..He has earnrd a raiise. ..besides if we trade no longer on a mission KANEe and his fat contract to Buffalo there will be lots more cap room..Stalbergmay have to be let go we cam only pay 2 guys on line 3 that kind of price range salary amd maybe only one with the cap lowered. .Probably need to trade Leddy as can't raise him much..bit he failed to rise to keep 2ND PAIRING MINUYES...now back to 3rd pairing. ..soobvious limitr on raising him that much...Replace with cheaper Clendenning and time for STAN to re-coup with some draft return for Leddy and Bolland...Morin needs to get his chance and be cheap replacer of Stalberg...different skills biut you yake what you can afford...Some team wiill pay the 3mil plus for Stallberg...not us...course if Stalberg jad exploded this year like Dupuis he would command 5 mil plus on tje market...he did mot so it limits him to the auction for ufa inflation to markey demand price ramge for such thord linerswith his size and speed that some team will think fits their needs...and they willbid to that price range for him...just the way it is...

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Carruth+Portland play vs Halifax on Sportsnet in Canada tonite in the Mem Cup at 7ET for anyone wanting to catch a peek.

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carruth gave up 2 goals about a minute apart half way through the first.

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05-26-2013, 08:27 PM
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Carruth is in tough tonight..I would be surprised if he didn't let in more than 3 goals.

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Carruth is a headcase. He's a lot like Luongo in that way. Can play so well but is so apt to just fall to pieces.

Portland had a great team this year, but Halifax is just better.

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05-26-2013, 10:40 PM
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Because his production and injury history does not warrant a 3.3 hit.
But Frolik's play does? There's a 1M difference between the two, and one of the two players can't actually score - Oh no, that's right, he can't.. because he had a bad season.

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- Bickell is not getting 3.3M from Hawks
- Kruger and Leddy make too much in your list (Leddy would be getting bigger deal then Subban/Kulikov/Del Zotto got so that is not happening)

As for why Bolland should be traded instead of Frolik

- Bolland is awful in every aspect of hockey right now ,, Frolik actually helps the Hawks team with his PK/forecheck
- Bolland has a horrendous cap hit for what he brings
- Bolland simply cant stay healthy and is major injury risk
- Bolland takes idiotic penalties
- Bolland has a long history of going MIA for weeks/months
- Bolland shows very little hustle and is lazy most nights

At end of day there is no reason Dave Bolland should be with Hawks at start of next year.. He brings very little to table anymore and is at this point dragging down his linemates in whatever situation he is put in

If the Hawks are going to keep Bickell, it'll be in that ballpark. Chicago's going to give Leddy more term, which means a higher caphit. Kruger's getting paid exactly what he should be getting.

Bolland has a horrendous caphit for what he brings? He's had a bad season, it happens. He's still 100x the player Frolik is, and he makes 1M more against the cap.

The Bolland hate on this board is absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait for all of you to jump on the bandwagon when he bounces back next year, like you all did with Kane. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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05-26-2013, 11:09 PM
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Carruth and the Winterhawks lost in the finals 6-4. MacKinnon scored a hat trick on him.

Carruth wasn't good, but the defense in front of him was also surprisingly bad. I guess the two best forwards in the draft are pretty hard to defend against.

Glad Carruth made it this deep into the postseason though it's a shame he didn't win it all. Time to bring him to the pros next year and hope for the best.

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Bolland has a horrendous caphit for what he brings? He's had a bad season, it happens. He's still 100x the player Frolik is, and he makes 1M more against the cap.

The Bolland hate on this board is absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait for all of you to jump on the bandwagon when he bounces back next year, like you all did with Kane. It's absolutely ridiculous.
What makes you predict that Bolland is going to bounce back next year? When was the last time we saw a productive Bolland?

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What makes you predict that Bolland is going to bounce back next year? When was the last time we saw a productive Bolland?
Bolland needs some if whatever it was Kane got into this past summer. Came back a new player.

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Bolland is also in a contract year next year, I'm sure he wants to have his best season of his career next year.

The team needs to choose between Kruger and Frolik, not Bolland and Frolik.

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This team should not choose between Bolland and Frolik. This team should trade both of them with keeping Bickell and adding another Center that can play Top 6 if needed and is faster than Handzus. Frolik for the Cap Space and Bolland for the Cap Space and return we still can get. It's highly doubtful we will be able to afford giving Bolland another 3+ million contract with Crawford and Hjammer being UFA at the same time and Toews + Kane 1 year later (they will get a combined 4-5 million more than they get now)

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What makes you predict that Bolland is going to bounce back next year? When was the last time we saw a productive Bolland?
A bigger worry is that he does bounce back next year because he's playing for his next contract...and then goes back to sleep the second he's got something long term.

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What makes you predict that Bolland is going to bounce back next year? When was the last time we saw a productive Bolland?
Because this past year was his worst season since coming off back surgery in 2009-10, and providing that context, this was Bolland's worst NHL season (excluding his rookie season). How anyone could not expect him to bounce back is beyond me.

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A bigger worry is that he does bounce back next year because he's playing for his next contract...and then goes back to sleep the second he's got something long term.
Because Bolland, a guy you never hear complain about anything and usually plays his best hockey in the post-season (sans a paycheck) is definitely in it for the money.

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