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05-27-2013, 11:38 AM
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I don't see room for Hoffman in this lineup. He is not replacing a bigger, grittier player such as Greening or Smith. We need the size and toughness. Can't see Hoff being better than Conacher based on AHL results.
I personally think that one of Smith or Neil will be traded.

Not enough scoring upside IMO when you consider we have Stone, Prince, Puempel, Noesen all fighting for roster spots in the next seasons.

With that being said, I'd really like to see us draft Hartman as a replacement for Neil (with more upside) down the line.


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05-27-2013, 11:52 AM
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I personally think that one of Smith or Neil will be traded.

Not enough scoring upside IMO when you consider we have Stone, Prince, Puempel, Noesen all fighting for roster spots in the next seasons.

With that being said, I'd really like to see us draft Hartman as a replacement for Neil (with more upside) down the line.
i think one of Smith or Smith out of that group.

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05-27-2013, 11:56 AM
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I personally think that one of Smith or Neil will be traded.

Not enough scoring upside IMO when you consider we have Stone, Prince, Puempel, Noesen all fighting for roster spots in the next seasons.

With that being said, I'd really like to see us draft Hartman as a replacement for Neil (with more upside) down the line.
Neil won't be traded, he will retire an Ottawa Senator. With all of our depth at center, it will be Zack Smith.

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05-27-2013, 12:00 PM
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I personally think that one of Smith or Neil will be traded.

Not enough scoring upside IMO when you consider we have Stone, Prince, Puempel, Noesen all fighting for roster spots in the next seasons.

With that being said, I'd really like to see us draft Hartman as a replacement for Neil (with more upside) down the line.
I would be amazed if that happened Neil was our best player throughout most games of the playoffs & Smith played very well as well. While I agree that we need to start looking at a replacement for Neil throughout the draft Ottawa does have Darren Kramer in Bingo who plays a similar game. Before the knockout I would have thought DD could be a replacement as well but there is always the possibility of trading for a guy like that. The NYR missed Prust so badly they had to go & trade for Clowe, hopefully Ottawa is stupid enough to trade Neil.

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05-27-2013, 12:12 PM
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I'm predicting this will be one of the most exciting off-seasons in Ottawa history
I'm predicting the opposite.

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05-27-2013, 12:14 PM
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No offseason will match the one when we got Heatley

Honourable mention I hear you ask?

The one where we got rid of him!

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05-27-2013, 12:24 PM
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I see a lot of love for Hoffman on these boards, but the reality is that he was a low draft pick who ended up finishing his junior career as an overager due to the fact that he couldn't crack an AHL lineup at age 20. He's now 23 years old, and at a definite crossroads in his career. Don't be shocked if he doesn't get qualified by the Senators. If he does, he will be on a short leash, and will get perhaps one more shot as an injury call up to show he can contribute in the NHL. I'm sorry, but with Hoffman, I just see Corey Locke all over again.

Corey Cowick is another guy who might not get qualified. He is also 23 years old, and another guy who went undrafted, then did an overage year in the OHL. He's a local guy, and you would love to see him make it, but at some stage the club has to start making room for other prospects, and Ottawa has a lot of them.


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05-27-2013, 12:34 PM
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With the emergence of JGP this Spring, the centre situation has become a bit of an interesting situation.

I really like Smith and having to move him is unfortunate, but I think it's something that has to be done, granted JGP is the real deal, and Zib is capable of being productive in his C spot.

I feel like it's kind of risky business moving Smith this off season, as it may be smarter to see how some of the question marks respond, and then move him.

The ideal situation here is obviously Spezza-Turris-Zibby-JGP, with Zib having somewhat sheltered 3rd line minutes while he refines his game at the NHL level and gains confidence.

We need scoring. If that means a Smith++ deal for a winger that will help us score goals, then I'm down with the cause. I think it's just a matter of when the time is right for this kind of deal to happen.

The emergence of JGP has certainly made things interesting.

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05-27-2013, 12:57 PM
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I would agree with the majority that the roster forward traded should be Zack Smith. Had Greening not had the type of series against Pittsburgh then he would be in the discussion too, perhaps he still is and we use his great series as trade leverage, I don't know.

Back to Smith though, with JGP and a healthy Spezza we have 5 NHL centres. Depth is nice and all but when you have glaring holes you need to use that depth to help the team. I don't think Smith does anything particularly well, he doesn't score enough, he doesn't check enough and isn't good enough defensively. I don't think we have time to sit and wait to see if he regains his form prior to the concussion in San Jose in 2012-13. If he can be traded in a deal similar to that of Nick Foligno for Marc Methot I am all for it.

I think the Sens need a scoring forward which is stating the obvious, but what about another defensive defensemen? Some like Methot? If Gonchar moves on I would rather he be replaced with someone more responsible and hopefully tougher. The offensive can be replaced from within with a larger role to Weircoch, a healthy Karlsson and development of Cowen.

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05-27-2013, 01:36 PM
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When smith got his extension no one was talking about trading him. He played very well and earned the contract he got. Now, we had a season where 5 of our top guys missed huge chunks of the season which resulted in players having to find chemistry and play in different situations. I think Once the team is completely healthy and is ready to go in training camp that will be when we can start judging who fits and who doesn't.

I don't think Murray would have extended him if he though he was going to turn into a bust less than a whole season later.

The only problem I have we our roster is that we have no young players who are awesome right out of the gate. We have a lot of good player with potential but none who are of the dominating type. Murray has managed to draft very good players for the roles they are given but have yet to find that diamond in the ruff. Karlsson is that guy on D but we need one at the forward position. This is why we need to go out and trade for one.

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05-27-2013, 02:21 PM
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Smith and Neil are really the only two players with sandpaper amongst our forwards. Our group is really quite soft, and the guys knocking on the door to take Smith's roll or roster spot are not going to add much in the sandpaper dept (Stone, Hoffman, Grant, Prince). Cowick is ok, but not really on the same level as Smith and Neil.

And Smith can easily shift over to the wing when play starts - he's quite good on faceoffs, and Zibanejad has a long way to go before he is really ready to start taking important draws - which is a problem, if he is centering an important line you want to give big minutes to. Basically, there is room for 5 centers on our team, that's for sure.

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05-27-2013, 02:40 PM
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With the emergence of JGP this Spring, the centre situation has become a bit of an interesting situation.

I really like Smith and having to move him is unfortunate, but I think it's something that has to be done, granted JGP is the real deal, and Zib is capable of being productive in his C spot.

I feel like it's kind of risky business moving Smith this off season, as it may be smarter to see how some of the question marks respond, and then move him.

The ideal situation here is obviously Spezza-Turris-Zibby-JGP, with Zib having somewhat sheltered 3rd line minutes while he refines his game at the NHL level and gains confidence.

We need scoring. If that means a Smith++ deal for a winger that will help us score goals, then I'm down with the cause. I think it's just a matter of when the time is right for this kind of deal to happen.

The emergence of JGP has certainly made things interesting.
JGP and Smith are two completely different type of players. Smith is the exact type of centre we need on the fourth line, JGP is a skilled player and will eventually move to the second line if he continues to progress.

The log jam is between Turris, Zibby and JGP.

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05-27-2013, 02:41 PM
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I know this sounds crazy but before we move smith can we make sure Pageau can play in a 82 game season ? and not just sample him of a great play offs and a good last 9 games of a regular season//

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05-27-2013, 02:51 PM
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I personally dont see Smith on the wing, and frankly i dont think he had a very good playoff.
I know he's got some grit to his game, he'll fight but it seems overrated - he doesnt hit hard, often doesnt get there in time to get the hit and then looks like he's dragging around lead legs getting back on D.

I was very high on him last year but i just didnt see anything like that Z Smith this year.
Also even for those who still like his game and think he'll rebound no one is saying he sucks but we have a huge surplus of centers and someone pretty good at some point is going to be moved off this roster in some sort of deal. For me the guy that has some decent value that we can afford to part with is Smith.

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05-27-2013, 02:54 PM
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Like everyone has said, he didn't have a great season or playoff, so why trade him while his value isn't high at all? Many players around the league weren't up to par this season because of the lockout. I'm calling it an anomaly year for many players. I'm sure Smitty will be fine next season.

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05-27-2013, 02:57 PM
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JGP and Smith are two completely different type of players. Smith is the exact type of centre we need on the fourth line, JGP is a skilled player and will eventually move to the second line if he continues to progress.

The log jam is between Turris, Zibby and JGP.
i disagree. Pageau could be an amazing 4th center for us while he develops, put Neil on one side on Noesen on the other.
its a gritty line with speed that can score.
Part of the problem with the smith line in the playoffs is that they couldnt get in on the forecheck often enough.

Eventually you can move him up the lineup or get him more icetime etc.
When Spezza hangs them up we'll be glad we have Turris, Zibanejad and Pageau.

Just because a guy has skill doesnt preclude him from being something other than a top2 center for awhile.
in fact it makes the team deeper and stronger, harder to defend.

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05-27-2013, 03:18 PM
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I like size down the middle I would rather see Z. Smith moved to LW & Grant brought up at some point next season to play centre on the 4th line. Grant led the AHL in short handed goals last season & could be the PK specialist to replace Condra next season.

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05-27-2013, 03:24 PM
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Condra was one of the NHL's best PKers this year. Expecting Grant to replace that is insanity. PK goals =/= one of the best PKers in the league (I know Grant was a great PKer in Bingo but Aragorn you will do just about anything to try and knock down Condra.)

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05-27-2013, 03:32 PM
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I'd be ok with moving Smith

I'd be very happy to hold on to him too

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Get rid of Neil. At least in the past he was a decent player who could keep emotions in check, he's turned into nothing more than a goon this post-season.

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Get rid of Neil. At least in the past he was a decent player who could keep emotions in check, he's turned into nothing more than a goon this post-season.
Never happen. He's going to retire a Senator.

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Never happen. He's going to retire a Senator.
and will become more and more of a liability in the process.

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I think it would be a mistake to trade smith. I'd rather package zibby to move up or get another 1st pick.

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Why are we replacing Condra? Did I miss something here? We need glue guys like him.

Does anyone think Da Costa holds any value? I think JGP at the very least has passed him.

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