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05-27-2013, 01:36 PM
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lol on what planet have the rangers loaded up on offense? our offense blows

with the exception of kreider, all we do is draft two-way character players that are best fit to be depth guys but are forced to be top 6 guys cause we have no talent...

want to upgrade the bottom 6? improve the top 6 so you push hagelin down. hags isn't a top line guy but becomes a great 3rd liner. push boyle down so he's the 4th line center instead of the 3rd, etc.
Agreed. NYR puts a lot of these character players in roles where they shouldn't be. They need to stop drafting "safely" and take the risk once in a while.

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05-27-2013, 01:38 PM
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Bud Holloway should get a 1 way deal from an NHL team this summer. I don't know if the Kings still own his rights, if not, NYR should take a look.

With salary caps tight around the league, teams will look to European players for scoring and low cap hits.
Question is will he be good back in the NHL as we was in Sweden?

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05-27-2013, 02:47 PM
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Agreed. NYR puts a lot of these character players in roles where they shouldn't be. They need to stop drafting "safely" and take the risk once in a while.
Does the name Hugh Jessiman sound familiar? I swear that Slats and Co changed their whole drafting strategy after that fiasco

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Agreed. NYR puts a lot of these character players in roles where they shouldn't be. They need to stop drafting "safely" and take the risk once in a while.
What the **** are you talking about? They take risks all the time.

Kreider, McIlrath, Cherepanov, etc. Those are just first round picks. Thomas, MSC, Sauer, Stepan, . . .

This team takes a ton of risks. They draft character guys as well. You don't ONLY draft risky players.

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Does the name Hugh Jessiman sound familiar? I swear that Slats and Co changed their whole drafting strategy after that fiasco
And how long ago was that? Times are changing and even though they can get that safe pick somewhere in the draft, they need to start thinking outside of the box. Yes, Hugh was bad, but take a risk once and a while.

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05-27-2013, 02:57 PM
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Does the name Hugh Jessiman sound familiar? I swear that Slats and Co changed their whole drafting strategy after that fiasco
The guy was almost impossible to stop in College. There wasn't a gameplan in the book for him. He was a horse. The Lindros of the ECAC. Was a much more impressive player than a JVR, for example, who has ended up a great NHL player. It just didn't translate.

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The guy was almost impossible to stop in College. There wasn't a gameplan in the book for him. He was a horse. The Lindros of the ECAC. Was a much more impressive player than a JVR, for example, who has ended up a great NHL player. It just didn't translate.
I still maintain that a large part of why it didn't translate because of the ankle injury. He missed about a full year of development from it and never recovered. That injury was disastrous to his development.

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The guy was almost impossible to stop in College. There wasn't a gameplan in the book for him. He was a horse. The Lindros of the ECAC. Was a much more impressive player than a JVR, for example, who has ended up a great NHL player. It just didn't translate.
Lee Stempniak was on the same team and close to Jessiman in stats. turned out to be a solid player..I believe he is an UFA as well.

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05-27-2013, 03:33 PM
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What the **** are you talking about? They take risks all the time.

Kreider, McIlrath, Cherepanov, etc. Those are just first round picks. Thomas, MSC, Sauer, Stepan, . . .

This team takes a ton of risks. They draft character guys as well. You don't ONLY draft risky players.
I'm talking about their 1sts. They haven't really had that player who brings it their all from the 1st round.
Kreider: Good risk, but needs work yet. Projected speedy power forward who did not have a good season. He was a depth forward this year. Safe pick.
McIlrath: 6th-7th defender who may not even be able to be that. Not too close to be coming up, but like Beacon said earlier (on this thread or another) he lost his confidence at the end of the year. Plus we go back to the draft where they could've taken a HIGHER RISK on Tarasenko or Fowler. Safe pick by far.
Cherepanov: Freak accident. Enough said. Was a good risk. I'll give you that.
Skjei: Basically picked because he was the best one available in the managements eyes. Didn't do a thing for Minnesota point wise. Projected to have the skating of McDonagh. Otherwise, depth defenseman. Safe pick.
Thomas: May just be a savior on the PP, but has that RISK of being a career AHLer. Depth forward currently in the NHL. Safe pick. 2nd rounder as well.
St. Croix: Just about to come to Hartford, but has that RISK of being an AHL bust. At this point we can't tell. From the junior level, he lacks physical presence which will kill him in the pro's. I guess you can say that there is risk in him, but look at where he was drafted.
Sauer: Has concussion problems, probably about to retire. Wasn't a 1st.
Stepan: Good risk, has been up to his projection. 2nd rounder, though.

So maybe I should've thought that post through and said 1st round risks. I apologize.
Depth forwards are good to have, but to thrive the organization with them is annoying. Go for that Mackinnon or Drouin or Barkov, you know? Teams will be needing depth players too so trade a few of them to get that next "super star". Enough of bringing in older ones and have them absolutely suck (aka Richards).


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Dude, even with first round picks. We have taken a TON of risks. The only true non-risk I can think of was Miller.

Skjei is a borderline safe/risk pick. He's safe in the fact that he projects to be at least a NHLer. He's a huge risk in the fact that he can be SO much more than that if he puts it all together.

McIlrath is not a safe pick. To say so is to simply be delusional. Same with Kreider. I have no idea how you can say both were safe picks with a straight face. And then try and make up reasons why!

And to say that Thomas was a safe pick is, again, laughable.

I have no idea where you are coming up with this stuff. You are analyzing this stuff in hindsight. You can't analyze a picks risk in hindsight.

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05-27-2013, 04:27 PM
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Pretty sure McIlrath was a very risky pick, how you turn that into a safe pick I don't understand. He could be a monster or he could be an AHLer, that is the definition of risk. About half of your argument was that they could end up AHLers, yet you say those were safe picks? Uhh what, safe picks are picks that get you an NHL depth player instead of taking a potential top six forward or top four d man with some flaws.

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Yeah, pretty much every pick outside of the top 10 is a risky pick.

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McI is still an unknown, but man how I wish we drafted Tarasenko. I was screaming for us to draft him.

And Fowler hasn't been anything special so far. MDZ>>>Fowler up to this point.

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Yeah, pretty much every pick outside of the top 10 is a risky pick.
While this is true, there are still some "safe" picks made at the time. Low upside guys who you are sure will be 3rd/4th liners. Something that this team has not generally drafted. Which is why I have no idea what the hell the OP is talking about.

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Dude, even with first round picks. We have taken a TON of risks. The only true non-risk I can think of was Miller.

Skjei is a borderline safe/risk pick. He's safe in the fact that he projects to be at least a NHLer. He's a huge risk in the fact that he can be SO much more than that if he puts it all together.

McIlrath is not a safe pick. To say so is to simply be delusional. Same with Kreider. I have no idea how you can say both were safe picks with a straight face. And then try and make up reasons why!

And to say that Thomas was a safe pick is, again, laughable.

I have no idea where you are coming up with this stuff. You are analyzing this stuff in hindsight. You can't analyze a picks risk in hindsight.
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Pretty sure McIlrath was a very risky pick, how you turn that into a safe pick I don't understand. He could be a monster or he could be an AHLer, that is the definition of risk. About half of your argument was that they could end up AHLers, yet you say those were safe picks? Uhh what, safe picks are picks that get you an NHL depth player instead of taking a potential top six forward or top four d man with some flaws.
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Yeah, pretty much every pick outside of the top 10 is a risky pick.
Okay I see your argument. Apologies.

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What do people think about Max Domi?

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lol on what planet have the rangers loaded up on offense? our offense blows

with the exception of kreider, all we do is draft two-way character players that are best fit to be depth guys but are forced to be top 6 guys cause we have no talent...

want to upgrade the bottom 6? improve the top 6 so you push hagelin down. hags isn't a top line guy but becomes a great 3rd liner. push boyle down so he's the 4th line center instead of the 3rd, etc.
Please. Rangers HAVE stockpiled skill. It's on the coaching staff to tap into it. This draft will have zero bearing on the offense for next year or the year after.

Nieves is a two-way guy? Kreider? MSC? McColgan? Fasth? Thomas?

Miller is the closest the Rangers have come to a two-way character guy.

You're not going to improve the current top-6 with this draft, even if they did trade up for a mid-2nd. If they drafted 5 skill/offense only guys in this draft. they wont be ready until 2016. Then add two years for them to develop.

By 2015, the Rangers will have a good idea where their current crop of offensive forwards are. At least two of the aforementioned will be good enough for the top-6. Its just the law of averages in conjunction with Gortons/Sathers recent draft record.

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Small sniper, pass for NYR IMO.

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Lino Martschini is an interesting little bugger.

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all i want is a swede i the 6th or 7th rounds

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Top 10-15 pick. He's not even in the equation.

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Just some players that might be interesting for the NYR this coming draft. I know the list is long but with no 1st or 2nd, most of these players have a chance of falling into the 3rd or lower, some we might have to trade up for. Also, I've researched most of these guys just too lazy to post links for them. Not in any particular order. Food for thought !

Links for player information:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...op-30-round-1/

http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1522

JC Lipon
Dane Fox
John Hayden
Conner Hurley
Pavel Buchnevich -might drop due to "Russian Factor". Great talent.
Tyler Hill-power forward
Hudson Fasching -power forward
Zach Nastasiuk-power forward
Victor Crus-Ryberg
Michael McCarron-power forward
Lucas Wallmark
Gustaf Olafsson
Carl Dahlstrom
Ryan Kujawinski
Myles Bell
Marko Dano
Nick Baptiste
Jimmy Lodge
Matt Buckles
Emile Poirier
Niklas Hansson-Swedish offensive D
Peter Cehlarik
Jackson Houck
Ryan Fitzgerald
Nicholas Petan
Eddie Ellis
Roberts Lipsbergs
Adam Tambellini
Jean Sebastian Dea
Anton Slepyshev
Kerby Rychel - would love to get him if we trade Del Zotto to move up to the late 1st.

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Good player the rangers would need to trade up into the 1st to get him though. He's probably will be 15-30

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Just some players that might be interesting for the NYR this coming draft. I know the list is long but with no 1st or 2nd, most of these players have a chance of falling into the 3rd or lower, some we might have to trade up for. Also, I've researched most of these guys just too lazy to post links for them. Not in any particular order. Food for thought !

Links for player information:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...op-30-round-1/

http://hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1522

JC Lipon
Dane Fox
John Hayden
Conner Hurley
Pavel Buchnevich -might drop due to "Russian Factor". Great talent.
Tyler Hill-power forward
Hudson Fasching -power forward
Zach Nastasiuk-power forward
Victor Crus-Ryberg
Michael McCarron-power forward
Lucas Wallmark
Gustaf Olafsson
Carl Dahlstrom
Ryan Kujawinski
Myles Bell
Marko Dano
Nick Baptiste
Jimmy Lodge
Matt Buckles
Emile Poirier
Niklas Hansson-Swedish offensive D
Peter Cehlarik
Jackson Houck
Ryan Fitzgerald
Nicholas Petan
Eddie Ellis
Roberts Lipsbergs
Adam Tambellini
Jean Sebastian Dea
Anton Slepyshev
Kerby Rychel - would love to get him if we trade Del Zotto to move up to the late 1st.
Hill is a giant.
Dano is very feisty.
Slepyshev wasn't picked last year, wonder if the "Russian Factor" is still a factor.

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