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05-27-2013, 04:47 PM
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The Rangers are not a a laughing stock. However, the way they utilize their cap for declining veterans is pretty embarrassing.The Rangers haven't drafted an elite 1D or 1C, those players are usually only available top 5 in the draft. Their only elite player was drafted 13 years ago in the 7th round.
And how do you suppose we go about drafting in the top 5? Even if we trade Hank we're going to have tough time being that bad. Lottery team, sure. But bottom 5 ? Unlikely.

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Also Hank stays. He's a loyal guy IMO.

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Yeah, I agree that Jagr trade hurt us. And while it's nice to get a slew of top 5 picks, the reality is you can still put together a solid core without having that luxury, assuming you have good scouting. Unfortunately, the real problem has been with the UFA signings. The big talent acquisitions have sadly been big time busts for the most part.
You can build a solid core foundation with mid round picks, but I think it's very tough to take the next step as consistent cup contenders without one or more lottery picks developed into elite talent on the roster. (Assuming you don't hit the jackpot with late round picks and grab an elite player or two)

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And how do you suppose we go about drafting in the top 5? Even if we trade Hank we're going to have tough time being that bad. Lottery team, sure. But bottom 5 ? Unlikely.
I disagree, this team is laughably bad and Henrik covers up a lot of gaffes of the roster.

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You can build a solid core foundation with mid round picks, but I think it's very tough to take the next step as consistent cup contenders without one or more lottery picks developed into elite talent on the roster. (Assuming you don't hit the jackpot with late round picks and grab an elite player or two)
Bruins have been able to build a solid foundation without a top 5 draft pick.

Although they got lucky with signing a #1 defenseman in Chara when he became a FA years ago and maintained his elite play (knowing us, he would have declined heavily after a season or two ).

And getting Krejci and Bergeron in the 2nd rounds, and one being a selke worthy type defender.

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I guarantee you if Hank demanded that torts gets fired, torts would be gone the next day.

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Bruins have been able to build a solid foundation without a top 5 draft pick.

Although they got lucky with signing a #1 defenseman in Chara when he became a FA years ago and maintained his elite play (knowing us, he would have declined heavily after a season or two ).

And getting Krejci and Bergeron in the 2nd rounds, and one being a selke worthy type defender.
Bruins 5th overall pick in 2006 was Phil Kessel. Kessel was traded for Seguin Hamilton and Spooner. A 1st line RWer, a potential top pair defenseman and solid forward prospect.

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There's this thing called salary cap.
Jumping into discussions 2 pages after with comments that has already been cleared is cool. If you want to look even smarter you can explain the the salary cap is.

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I guarantee you if Hank demanded that torts gets fired, torts would be gone the next day.
If that were the case, I would want Hank traded since a player should never be above the team. Luckily, that is not the case.

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Bruins 5th overall pick in 2006 was Phil Kessel. Kessel was traded for Seguin Hamilton and Spooner. A 1st line RWer, a potential top pair defenseman and solid forward prospect.
The Bruins were terrible 2005-2007

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Bruins 5th overall pick in 2006 was Phil Kessel. Kessel was traded for Seguin Hamilton and Spooner. A 1st line RWer, a potential top pair defenseman and solid forward prospect.
And that was arguably the best #5 pick since Jaromir Jagr.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/d...php?position=5

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From Pat Leonard of the Daily News:

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I have said I'd listen to offers for him. It's not my first choice, but this team is still multiple pieces away from being a top contender. He has had a lot of wear and tear in the last 6-7 years playing in so many games when the team has been unable to give him much breathing room in terms of scoring goals; mentally, that has to wear on him. To re-sign him to a 6-8 year deal at or near the cap max doesn't make much sense if you want to build a team around him that can win a Cup.

Overall, this team still needs some rebuilding to do, and trading Lundqvist is a way to continue to do that. He's still young enough that you can get a good return for him, and a team can still sign him to a decent length extension if they so choose.

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I disagree, this team is laughably bad and Henrik covers up a lot of gaffes of the roster.
The 2000-2005 rangers were the 'laughably bad' teams and they never managed to suck enough for the lottery

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I also somehow doubt that Pittsburgh would fit Lundqvist's lifestyle.

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05-27-2013, 05:30 PM
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Hank to Pitt for Malkin, Fleury and a 1st.

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I have said I'd listen to offers for him. It's not my first choice, but this team is still multiple pieces away from being a top contender. He has had a lot of wear and tear in the last 6-7 years playing in so many games when the team has been unable to give him much breathing room in terms of scoring goals; mentally, that has to wear on him. To re-sign him to a 6-8 year deal at or near the cap max doesn't make much sense if you want to build a team around him that can win a Cup.

Overall, this team still needs some rebuilding to do, and trading Lundqvist is a way to continue to do that. He's still young enough that you can get a good return for him, and a team can still sign him to a decent length extension if they so choose.
I'm glad Pat isn't our GM.

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Hank to Pitt for Malkin, Fleury and a 1st.
Try Malkin, Crosby, Letang, and 5 years of 1st rounders.

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Yellow journalism, Pat.

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I disagree, this team is laughably bad and Henrik covers up a lot of gaffes of the roster.
How many teams have won a playoff round or more in each of the last two years?

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And what would be the loving destination to send him?

He's in a good situation here. There have been two teams who have made it past the first round in each of the past two seasons.
That was largely because of Lundqvist. He was the teams best player, bar none, in each of the last two post seasons where they reached the 3rd and 2nd round.

I know Lundqvist loves New York. But I think before he retires, he will want to win it all. And I think he will place that above his desire to stay in New York.

Ultimately, I think next season will have a lot to do with whether or not he stays in New York. If the Rangers once again struggle getting to the post season, where he has to carry the team to a 6th-8th spot, and the team can't make it past the 2nd round again, I think he will legitimately consider going elsewhere.

I think fans who don't think that is a possibility are fooling themselves. He's a competitive professional athlete first, a resident of New York second.

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That was largely because of Lundqvist. He was the teams best player, bar none, in each of the last two post seasons where they reached the 3rd and 2nd round.

I know Lundqvist loves New York. But I think before he retires, he will want to win it all. And I think he will place that above his desire to stay in New York.

Ultimately, I think next season will have a lot to do with whether or not he stays in New York. If the Rangers once again struggle getting to the post season, where he has to carry the team to a 6th-8th spot, and the team can't make it past the 2nd round again, I think he will legitimately consider going elsewhere.

I think fans who don't think that is a possibility are fooling themselves. He's a competitive professional athlete first, a resident of New York second.
Where's the destination?

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Try Malkin, Crosby, Letang, and 5 years of 1st rounders.
That works too

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If that were the case, I would want Hank traded since a player should never be above the team. Luckily, that is not the case.
Well, if he did do such a thing, it would be because torts is ineffective. I don't know what goes on in the locker room, but if a coach is ineffective it'd be good for the players to call him out on that.

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Well, if he did do such a thing, it would be because torts is ineffective. I don't know what goes on in the locker room, but if a coach is ineffective it'd be good for the players to call him out on that.
Didn't Lundqvist have an e-problem with Renney too? That guy is sure an e-diva.

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Where's the destination?
I'm not saying there is a particular destination, a lot can change from today, until the end of 13-14, where some options will inevitably open up for him over that period of time.

If I was him I would consider Pittsburgh as an option. Malkin will be re-signed to an almost identical contract ($8-8.7 million a year), the Penguins will re-sign Letang at a high cap hit obviously, but they can either move Fleury freeing up $5 million in cap space or buy him out. Vokoun's $2 million will come off the books. And if Pittsburgh had a legitimate chance of landing Lundqvist, I don't think Shero would have a problem moving a modest cap hit of a depth player.

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