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05-27-2013, 09:01 PM
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According to @HabsWatch, and I have no clue how reliable this is, Churla has connections in the Swedish league.

Dallas has been a decent drafting team, not exactly league best there but they usually bring in a good mix of player types.
Your last statement is the reason that I am happy that the Habs are bringing in Churla.

Timmins, for a guy who obviously is obsessed with his own muscles, has a tendency to draft smallish players. We dont have that mix of player types and it is hurting the franchise.

Since the beating of our forwards by Ottawa's physical DMen is still sort of fresh, lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall. Here we go.......(NHL players bolded)

MONTREAL
O'Byrne
Dulac-Lemelin
Paquet
Fischer
Stejskal
Tinordi

6 Total Drafted by Timmins

OTTAWA
Cook
Anikeyenko
Lee (finished year in AHL after playing 22 games for TBL)
Koopman
Gryba
Blood
Wiercioch
Sdao
Cowen
Fransoo
Ceci

11 Total Drafted by Ottawa

Only ONE of Timmins D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" is playing for Montreal.

Three of Ottawa's D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" are playing for Ottawa.

This franchise needs a new direction.

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05-27-2013, 09:02 PM
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Head scout is a very tough job. You are never home.

Timmins probably asked to travel less so they hired Churla to be the guy who would travel everywhere all the time.
Who knows? But an intelligent comment nonetheless.

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05-27-2013, 09:24 PM
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Just realized how big Dallas drafts. Chiasson, Dillon, Oleksiak, Ritchie, Stransky, Troock.
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Churla, 47, has worked with the Stars since 2005 in the role of amateur scout. He was responsible for helping identify and evaluate draft-eligible players along with contributing feedback and input to the overall draft preparation process.
So he was the "cross-check" (no pun intended) guy. Will he be replacing Frank Jay in this position?

Would also love to see the Habs create more of a presence in Sweden in addition to Christer Rockström.

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As long as Timmins remains at the top I'm fine with it.

The Montreal Canadiens select, the biggest ma****er in this draft.

EDIT: I had reminds


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05-27-2013, 10:05 PM
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It's my understanding that Churla will be replacing Jankowski out west, and be third on the scouting depth chart behind Timmins and Jay.

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It's my understanding that Churla will be replacing Jankowski out west, and be third on the scouting depth chart behind Timmins and Jay.
Interesting, I wonder what happens to Jankowski.

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Your last statement is the reason that I am happy that the Habs are bringing in Churla.

Timmins, for a guy who obviously is obsessed with his own muscles, has a tendency to draft smallish players. We dont have that mix of player types and it is hurting the franchise.

Since the beating of our forwards by Ottawa's physical DMen is still sort of fresh, lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall. Here we go.......(NHL players bolded)

MONTREAL
O'Byrne
Dulac-Lemelin
Paquet
Fischer
Stejskal
Tinordi

6 Total Drafted by Timmins

OTTAWA
Cook
Anikeyenko
Lee (finished year in AHL after playing 22 games for TBL)
Koopman
Gryba
Blood
Wiercioch
Sdao
Cowen
Fransoo
Ceci

11 Total Drafted by Ottawa

Only ONE of Timmins D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" is playing for Montreal.

Three of Ottawa's D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" are playing for Ottawa.

This franchise needs a new direction.
And yet Timmins has a significantly better track record in drafting players to make the NHL than the Dallas Stars do. And it's not like the Stars don't draft small players themselves.

I think having new perspectives is a good thing, but Timmins is still one of the best in the business, and no, but because of Ryan O'byrne. However the Stars were able to find some gems, including big, physical ones, so yes, new voices is welcome.

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05-27-2013, 11:42 PM
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Your last statement is the reason that I am happy that the Habs are bringing in Churla.

Timmins, for a guy who obviously is obsessed with his own muscles, has a tendency to draft smallish players. We dont have that mix of player types and it is hurting the franchise.

Since the beating of our forwards by Ottawa's physical DMen is still sort of fresh, lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall. Here we go.......(NHL players bolded)

MONTREAL
O'Byrne
Dulac-Lemelin
Paquet
Fischer
Stejskal
Tinordi

6 Total Drafted by Timmins

OTTAWA
Cook
Anikeyenko
Lee (finished year in AHL after playing 22 games for TBL)
Koopman
Gryba
Blood
Wiercioch
Sdao
Cowen
Fransoo
Ceci

11 Total Drafted by Ottawa

Only ONE of Timmins D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" is playing for Montreal.

Three of Ottawa's D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" are playing for Ottawa.

This franchise needs a new direction.
how'd they do against the Pens? You need mobility, not just a 6'3" d-man. A mix of both is ideal, but not at the expense of skill.

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how'd they do against the Pens? You need mobility, not just a 6'3" d-man. A mix of both is ideal, but not at the expense of skill.
Pens are an All Star team.

Besides, the Sens have Karlsson.

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Interesting, I wonder what happens to Jankowski.
Jérôme Bérubé ‏@Jerome_Berube 3 min

Interesting news from S.Leroux of RDS tonight on l'AC, look like habs scout Ryan Jankowski as interviewed for Hockey Canada head scout gig

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lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall.
Height is not a measure of physicality. You have deliberately excluded physical picks like Emelin, McDonagh, Subban, Beaulieu, Dietz, Thrower, Valentenko, Didier. I guess they didn't suit your argument.

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Pens are an All Star team.

Besides, the Sens have Karlsson.
And yet, the Pens had a much harder time against the smaller Islanders than they did against the big Senators.

Where were the "All Star" Penguins then?

Cowen was Ottawa's worst defenceman in this years playoffs. He's also the biggest. Explain that one.

The explanation is quite simple, actually : size is important, but not at the expense of talent.

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this is a smart move. MB wants more insider information on a certain kind of prospects. So he hires a gut that already does this.
Churla got fat after retiring?

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Height is not a measure of physicality. You have deliberately excluded physical picks like Emelin, McDonagh, Subban, Beaulieu, Dietz, Thrower, Valentenko, Didier. I guess they didn't suit your argument.
Thats a great point. I agree with this. Physicality and height are not related. Physicality has to do with the mindset of a player, not their physical demensions. Being tall will HELP someone who is a physical player, but it will never make them one on its own. See Hall Gill.

I don't entirely disagree with SouthernHab but he took the wrong approach to his arguement. Montreal needs to get more physical, both up front and on the back end. I see more of a need on defense though. With that said, lets not confuse drafting "big" players with drafting "physical" or "tough" players. Size certainly helps but isnt everything

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#Habs announce hiring of Shane Churla as "chief amateur scout." Was with Dallas Stars previously.

To be honest, I know very little about Churla.

So now, we have Timmins who is the "Director of Amateur Scouting" and Churla is the "Chief Amateur Scout."

I'm not quite sure what the distinction is between the two positions. I assume Churla will be Timmins' go to guy for scouting reports, but again I am not 100% sure.
Timmins is getting a hell of a lot of help. I hope he knows how to use it.

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Your last statement is the reason that I am happy that the Habs are bringing in Churla.

Timmins, for a guy who obviously is obsessed with his own muscles, has a tendency to draft smallish players. We dont have that mix of player types and it is hurting the franchise.

Since the beating of our forwards by Ottawa's physical DMen is still sort of fresh, lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall. Here we go.......(NHL players bolded)

MONTREAL
O'Byrne
Dulac-Lemelin
Paquet
Fischer
Stejskal
Tinordi

6 Total Drafted by Timmins

OTTAWA
Cook
Anikeyenko
Lee (finished year in AHL after playing 22 games for TBL)
Koopman
Gryba
Blood
Wiercioch
Sdao
Cowen
Fransoo
Ceci

11 Total Drafted by Ottawa

Only ONE of Timmins D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" is playing for Montreal.

Three of Ottawa's D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" are playing for Ottawa.

This franchise needs a new direction.
There's no possible way you actually believe any of what you just wrote when you're listing Brian Lee and Patrick Wiercioch as the benchmarks of physicality the Habs should be striving towards.

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One has to wonder if he has a tendency to favour churlish players.
I was waiting for that. Surprised it took so long.

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And yet, the Pens had a much harder time against the smaller Islanders than they did against the big Senators.

Where were the "All Star" Penguins then?

Cowen was Ottawa's worst defenceman in this years playoffs. He's also the biggest. Explain that one.

The explanation is quite simple, actually : size is important, but not at the expense of talent.
SouthernHab just likes to argue cause he wants to impress everyone with his "superior" smarts. Doesn't seem to matter the topic ,he just likes to put people down if their thoughts are different than his....lol

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There's no possible way you actually believe any of what you just wrote when you're listing Brian Lee and Patrick Wiercioch as the benchmarks of physicality the Habs should be striving towards.
He used height as a standard for physicality. That was pretty much all you needed to read.

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He used height as a standard for physicality. That was pretty much all you needed to read.
Why not? Peter Popovic, Rick Green and Pierre Dagenais were amongst the most physical players of their generation.

Trying to right without putting a smiley just to see if people can still get sarcasm without it...

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Your last statement is the reason that I am happy that the Habs are bringing in Churla.

Timmins, for a guy who obviously is obsessed with his own muscles, has a tendency to draft smallish players. We dont have that mix of player types and it is hurting the franchise.

Since the beating of our forwards by Ottawa's physical DMen is still sort of fresh, lets compare the drafting history of Timmins in Montreal and Ottawa since 2003.

The standard of physicality that I am using is a DMan over 6' 3" tall. Here we go.......(NHL players bolded)

MONTREAL
O'Byrne
Dulac-Lemelin
Paquet
Fischer
Stejskal
Tinordi

6 Total Drafted by Timmins

OTTAWA
Cook
Anikeyenko
Lee (finished year in AHL after playing 22 games for TBL)
Koopman
Gryba
Blood
Wiercioch
Sdao
Cowen
Fransoo
Ceci

11 Total Drafted by Ottawa

Only ONE of Timmins D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" is playing for Montreal.

Three of Ottawa's D draft picks since 2003 over 6' 3" are playing for Ottawa.

This franchise needs a new direction.
Yup because Ottawa winning a grand total of ONE playoff series(on the back of a goalie standing on his head , no less) the last 6 years should be who we pattern ourselves after.


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There's no possible way you actually believe any of what you just wrote when you're listing Brian Lee and Patrick Wiercioch as the benchmarks of physicality the Habs should be striving towards.
Maybe we can trade Subban for Weirdoch and become more physical.


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