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05-28-2013, 10:30 AM
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Hopefully lundqvist forces the issue and makes Sather fire Sather, as well as Torts. In a perfect world Hank would resign here for less (maybe 5 m per year) so that they can build a better team around him.
And watch them bring in another overpaid player who once again makes more than Lundqvist? I think he'd be more willing to take a paycut if we had other players doing the same.

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Give him whatever he wants.

If Torts/Sather think they still have jobs without Lundqvist in NY, they're too funny. Well, maybe Sather because Dolan, but Torts?

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And watch them bring in another overpaid player who once again makes more than Lundqvist? I think he'd be more willing to take a paycut if we had other players doing the same.
Yea thats why I mentioned firing Sather too

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Damn, just saw the video too. Kind of iffy on what he means. Damn.
Yea just watched it too. Like many are saying its possible its just the sting of being eliminated still on him, but I also think its likely that he is tired of playing here based on his reaction to that question. He seemed like he wanted to have tact but was basically implying he's done after next year.

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If lundqvist doesn't want to stay then trade him this summer while his value is high.

Perhaps to Anaheim for two good players and two top prospects.

Perhaps Hiller + Bobby Ryan
And John Gibson + Emerson Etem

Rangers apart from lundqvist have nobody on the team over 30 (assuming Richards and clowe are gone, ok pyatt is 30, but whatever). Would be the youngest team in the league. Have an ok goalie and a prospect goalie. Add a 30 goal scorer and a prospect who is fully capable of being a 30 goal scorer himself.


I think you have to compare it to the thorton trade. A guy unhappy with the team he's on after an early exit from the playoffs

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05-28-2013, 10:42 AM
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Hank is great, but he can take a walk if he wants 10/80M. Good luck trying to hook onto a real competitor with those salary demands.

In the next year, he'll have to face some major questions about his desire to win vs. his desire to make as much money as possible. Hes not going to help many teams win a championship when he accounts for 15% of their cap #

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Yea just watched it too. Like many are saying its possible its just the sting of being eliminated still on him, but I also think its likely that he is tired of playing here based on his reaction to that question. He seemed like he wanted to have tact but was basically implying he's done after next year.
I'm not sure how it's in america, but with the swedish national football team, each time we're eliminated, like 30% of the team speculates if they're done with the national team, but a month later they're talking as if they never said anything like it.

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Why the hell are people still talking about the 10mil per thing? Did anyone see Lundqvist say anything remotely close to it? Because all I've seen is the article, in which nothing Lundqvist says implies anything close to 10mil per.

While we're at it, shall we just assume Stepan will ask for 8mil per too? Maybe run him out of town?

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Why the hell are people still talking about the 10mil per thing? Did anyone see Lundqvist say anything remotely close to it? Because all I've seen is the article, in which nothing Lundqvist says implies anything close to 10mil per.
Because Larry Brooks, despite all his warts, is usually a good source for information like this.

But, more importantly, because given his importance to the team for 8 seasons, its entirely plausible to think he'd ask for a max deal.

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Because Larry Brooks, despite all his warts, is usually a good source for information like this.

But, more importantly, because given his importance to the team for 8 seasons, its entirely plausible to think he'd ask for a max deal.
What information? He's speculating as much as everyone.

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What information? He's speculating as much as everyone.
Of course its speculation. Im wondering why, considering his performance with this team over 8 years, you'd question that he won't wind up asking for a max deal.

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Of course its speculation. Im wondering why, considering his performance with this team over 8 years, you'd question that he won't wind up asking for a max deal.
He wants a cup? Only way he'd ask for a max deal is if he has given up on it and just wants to cash out. Which would be pretty silly considering if he wants, he has at least 4-6 good years left in him, and a few more decent years.

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You make it sound like he's being paid the league minimum. Have you seen comparable salary/cap hit info on goalies?

So to sum up what you think Hanks mindset is, Management is going to make the same poor decisions they always have so I should get as much money as I can?
If Hank decides to stay in NY you bet your ass that will be part of his mindset. What has the organization done in the last 10 - 20 years that would make him think any different with the same folks at the helm ?

He would be silly to think a hometown discount is all that is needed to make this team a champ. All that would do is allow Sather to give it to someone else.

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2 seasons is a pretty small sample size
Well I would disagree that two seasons and 162 games is a small sample size, but the Rangers have been well above average over Lundqvist's term here.

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Give him whatever he wants.

If Torts/Sather think they still have jobs without Lundqvist in NY, they're too funny. Well, maybe Sather because Dolan, but Torts?
It's been 8 years and this organization has been unable to give Henrik what he wants most, and that's a competitive team in front of him that can win a Stanley Cup. We came close last year, but then we overhauled 40% of the roster and took a major step backwards.

This could very well be the tipping point where the Rangers are finally unable to throw money at a problem and fix it.

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Lundqvist will have an opportunity to be the highest paid goalie if he wants to.

He can likely find a team that is better equipped to compete in a two year window than the Rangers.

He may find a city with enough nightclubs, hookers, and blow to satisfy his lifestyle.

But he can't do all three.

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Lundqvist will have an opportunity to be the highest paid goalie if he wants to.

He can likely find a team that is better equipped to compete in a two year window than the Rangers.

He may find a city with enough nightclubs, hookers, and blow to satisfy his lifestyle.

But he can't do all three.
A lot of you are talking as if he leaves NY he can never return to the city once his career is over. Do you think the players in Winnipieg wants to live there, and will stay there after their career is over?

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A lot of you are talking as if he leaves NY he can never return to the city once his career is over. Do you think the players in Winnipieg wants to live there, and will stay there after their career is over?
Obviously he can go back to NY when his career is over. I would still consider 7 years a long period of time, however.

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Lundqvist may be close to reaching his breaking point. The team does not (and has not) given him enough goal support. He is relied upon so heavily that he has absolutely no margin for error.

I believe he wants to win a cup in NY, but his experience here must be emotionally and physically taxing upon him. He gets so upset after almost every loss, moreso than any other player on the team. It's possible he is starting to lose confidence that the organization can field a Stanley Cup-caliber team in front of him.

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Realistically what team that is close to a cup is going to take him?

Detroit, LA, Chicago, Boston are all set between the pipes.

NYI, NJ maybe.

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Well I would disagree that two seasons and 162 games is a small sample size, but the Rangers have been well above average over Lundqvist's term here.

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Actualy it's only 129 games but not really a big deal, my point was I could pick 2 seasons from the Torts era that is in direct conflict with the OP's point.

09-10 Missed the playoffs...SO loss in Philly Game 82
10-11 Out in Round 1

Aside from last seasons #1 seed the team has mostly finished as a bottom seed when making the playoffs.

I'm not knocking Hank, and I certainly agree with the thread you included above, consistently turning over the roster creates no sense of cohesion or continuity.

My point which I think I included in another response about the last 2 seasons was, maybe 11-12 was the outlier season, the "Perfect Storm" if you will, and that this season the team has regressed to their norm...hard to tell based on a 48 game season, so I guess we'll need to see what next year brings.

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Hopefully he calls Curtis Joseph about relocating for a guaranteed Cup.

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Realistically what team that is close to a cup is going to take him?

Detroit, LA, Chicago, Boston are all set between the pipes.

NYI, NJ maybe.
Pitt but he'd have to take a pay cut

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Realistically what team that is close to a cup is going to take him?

Detroit, LA, Chicago, Boston are all set between the pipes.

NYI, NJ maybe.
lolz.

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Actualy it's only 129 games but not really a big deal, my point was I could pick 2 seasons from the Torts era that is in direct conflict with the OP's point.

09-10 Missed the playoffs...SO loss in Philly Game 82
10-11 Out in Round 1

Aside from last seasons #1 seed the team has mostly finished as a bottom seed when making the playoffs.

I'm not knocking Hank, and I certainly agree with the thread you included above, consistently turning over the roster creates no sense of cohesion or continuity.

My point which I think I included in another response about the last 2 seasons was, maybe 11-12 was the outlier season, the "Perfect Storm" if you will, and that this season the team has regressed to their norm...hard to tell based on a 48 game season, so I guess we'll need to see what next year brings.
82 + 48 + 20 + 12 = 162

Do you think 09-10 and 10-11 are more predictive of future success than the past two seasons?

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Lundqvist may be close to reaching his breaking point. The team does not (and has not) given him enough goal support. He is relied upon so heavily that he has absolutely no margin for error.

I believe he wants to win a cup in NY, but his experience here must be emotionally and physically taxing upon him. He gets so upset after almost every loss, moreso than any other player on the team. It's possible he is starting to lose confidence that the organization can field a Stanley Cup-caliber team in front of him.
It may have to do with Torts, also. If this style of play continues, and Torts is still the coach, he might not want to re-sign. We all know Sather won't get fired, Henke might think that applies to Torts, also.

I know if I were Henke I would want things to change before I re-sign. Status quo wouldn't do it for me.

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