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05-28-2013, 11:26 AM
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Realistically what team that is close to a cup is going to take him?

Detroit, LA, Chicago, Boston are all set between the pipes.

NYI, NJ maybe.
Anaheim. Like I said, hank for Hiller + Ryan + Gibson + Etem

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05-28-2013, 11:27 AM
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If winning is his only priority, I think Edmonton is the place over the long-term. If they have an sort of a playoff run next season, I think they'll be poised. I could picture him in furs, too.

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05-28-2013, 11:37 AM
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If winning is his only priority, I think Edmonton is the place over the long-term. If they have an sort of a playoff run next season, I think they'll be poised. I could picture him in furs, too.

Lol at Henrik signing with the Oilers.

99.9% he re-signs with the Rangers.

A. They will pay him handsomely

B. the franchise has shown the balls to make changes and get better... Every year 29 teams get it wrong but the Rangers do make sincere efforts to get better. They spend money in July, they are proactive every year at the trade deadline. He surely recognizes this as a big plus.

C. Few , is any teams have the cap space AND the other pieces in place to make a good fit for signing Lundqvist, unless Henke pulls a Hossa and signs a short term deal. Even that is full of risk and unknown.

D. No cup will be sweeter then the one he wins in NY

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05-28-2013, 11:39 AM
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lolz.


82 + 48 + 20 + 12 = 162

Do you think 09-10 and 10-11 are more predictive of future success than the past two seasons?
My bad I was only counting Regular season.

TBH I don't know what seasons are predictors when it comes to this team, in the 4 full seasons under Torts they have finished 9,8,1,6 in the East, as I stated earlier is last seasons #1 the outlier and is this team really a middling 6-8 seed or are they a team headed up and this lockout shortened season messed up the upward swing?

Your guess is as good as mine

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Your guess is as good as mine
No, mine is better.

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05-28-2013, 12:06 PM
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Losing Hank might actually cause this team to approach a rebuild with a serious level of commitment...something thats long overdue and, ironically, something Lundqvist's emergence delayed.

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05-28-2013, 12:22 PM
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kill all of the speculation.

Hank and his agents will not even get to the numbers portion of the negotiation if they do not like what Sather does thsi summer and has to say on a going forward basis.

Rangers move to get another scoring forward in here? that will bode well for keeping Lundqvist around.

The bottom like is that DEFENSIVELY and that includes the goalie position, the Rangers can compete for a cup.

Offensively they don't scare anyone. That needs to change.

Torts is gone LONG before Hank is allowed to walk.

Hank and his reps will sit down with Sather and the front office and if moves are made to address the scoring issue that will benefit the Rangers chances of re-signing Hank.

If the Rangers promise X over the next 365 days and deliver X, I can see Hank signing a cap friendly 7 year deal 7-7.5 per.

That (7.5) make him the highest paid goalie in the NHL. An honor he has earned.

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Losing Hank might actually cause this team to approach a rebuild with a serious level of commitment...something thats long overdue and, ironically, something Lundqvist's emergence delayed.
Nope.

It will allow them to spend that 6.8 elsewhere.

Serious rebuild in NY? Never going to happen

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05-28-2013, 12:34 PM
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Now, If I'm the Rangers, I look to get him to commit to a long term deal over the summer. If he refuses to commit long term, I trade him during the season.

It's a capped world. These things are bound to happen. Before the guy goes and you get nada, trade his arse for picks/prospects and what ever else you can get in return.

This is why I follow no players. I have no emotional attachment to any one player. If the Ducks said you give us Callahan, we give you Ryan.

Buh-bye Cally

IMHO, the Rangers do not have ONE SINGLE untouchable player.

They carry different levels of value, but they are ALL AVAILABLE.

all of them

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05-28-2013, 12:41 PM
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Just watched hank's presser, and I do not like the vibe I got when he was asked about re-signing.

He made an awful lot of references in the past tense, "The Rangers treated me well" "I have liked being here", etc. Not really quotes that make me believe his first priority is to resign with NY no matter what. If he truly wanted to be here he would have made the same comments Stepan made about wanting to retire a ranger and be here for his whole career.
Yeah I just watched it too. I didn't want to read too much into it because I really want to believe that he resigns here. But his answer surprised me. I'd at least expect him to say, "Sure I'd like to play here." or anything at least remotely generic about wanting to play here. And yeah, "The Rangers treated me well" thing made me wince. "I'll talk to my agent. I'll talk to my agent."

As someone else has said, maybe it was just the sting of losing and perhaps he's just focused on "right now" like he had said so he doesn't want to make any comments about his contract, but Jesus, I was hoping he would at least be a little positive about it.

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gauge his value on the market. If you can get a decent top 15 goalie in return and address some top six scoring, size and snarl while adding a 1st rounder in 2013 I am more than open to moving Hank.

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Lundqvist may be close to reaching his breaking point. The team does not (and has not) given him enough goal support. He is relied upon so heavily that he has absolutely no margin for error.

I believe he wants to win a cup in NY, but his experience here must be emotionally and physically taxing upon him. He gets so upset after almost every loss, moreso than any other player on the team. It's possible he is starting to lose confidence that the organization can field a Stanley Cup-caliber team in front of him.
The biggest problem is that Lundqvist is his own biggest critic. The pressure is clearly getting to him, because he feels he needs to be perfect. If I was him, I'd make sure Sather knows he wouldn't re-sign unless Tortorella is willing to adjust, and Sather brings in guys who can actually score goals.

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Nope.

It will allow them to spend that 6.8 elsewhere.

Serious rebuild in NY? Never going to happen
And we wonder why this organization has brought home 1 cup in 73 years.

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Now, If I'm the Rangers, I look to get him to commit to a long term deal over the summer. If he refuses to commit long term, I trade him during the season.

It's a capped world. These things are bound to happen. Before the guy goes and you get nada, trade his arse for picks/prospects and what ever else you can get in return.

This is why I follow no players. I have no emotional attachment to any one player. If the Ducks said you give us Callahan, we give you Ryan.

Buh-bye Cally

IMHO, the Rangers do not have ONE SINGLE untouchable player.

They carry different levels of value, but they are ALL AVAILABLE.

all of them
Post of the year.

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Now, If I'm the Rangers, I look to get him to commit to a long term deal over the summer. If he refuses to commit long term, I trade him during the season.

It's a capped world. These things are bound to happen. Before the guy goes and you get nada, trade his arse for picks/prospects and what ever else you can get in return.

This is why I follow no players. I have no emotional attachment to any one player. If the Ducks said you give us Callahan, we give you Ryan.

Buh-bye Cally

IMHO, the Rangers do not have ONE SINGLE untouchable player.

They carry different levels of value, but they are ALL AVAILABLE.

all of them
He's the closest one they have pld. I agree to a point in what you are saying but the trade would have to be a last case scenario and then be very favorable to the Rangers.

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The thing about goalies is they rarely return as much in trade as you'd assume they should as most teams feel they can develop their own. Perhaps that's a by-product of the trap, who knows?

I think the best example to point to is Luongo when he was dealt from Florida. Florida was dealing, in my opinion, the best goalie in the NHL at that point, and a guy with a fairly long resume of literally having to do it himself to keep his team in the game. They tried Luongo to Boston straight up for Thornton, and were summarily denied. Keenan probably didn't do them any favors insisting on getting power forward types back (sound familiar) but I think it's widely assumed that even with it being one of the most one sided trades in history, Bertuzzi was the best player on the table for Luongo (who complicated things by only agreeing to extend his deal in certain cities, which I don't think is all that different from what would happen if we entertained offers on Henrik).

Simply put, trading a goalie generally doesn't work out for the team trading the goalie.

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Losing Hank might actually cause this team to approach a rebuild with a serious level of commitment...something thats long overdue and, ironically, something Lundqvist's emergence delayed.
I think if Hank left, the first call is going to LA and the Rangers won't hang up until they've acquired Bernier.

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I can see Hagelin being one of them.

I can see Kreider being another.

The publically calling out of players may have a good impact the first time it happens, but it QUICKLY loses steam when you do that more than once.

Additionally, when some players still play after making errors while a kid like Kreider gets benched for periods at a time for making the same mistake, the "lesson" is no longer there to be learned.

Every coach loses the room eventually. Well 99% of them do. It's no secret that Torts has an abrasive personality and that turns players off after a while.

His "boy" Richards has shown to be a bust signing. We still don't know how the Torts Nash relationship will evolve. I can tell you that Hank has got to be getting frustrated with the lack of offence and while some blame can be put on the players, not having a system that generates offence is all on Torts. As well is the lack of a functioning PP.

Back to the point of the thread, I don't see Hank going anywhere unless there is a significant rift with the coach and the team backs the coach.
Totrs Coaching contract expires at the end of next season as well.. That is something to think about... If Someone else is hired, will it affect Hank's Decsion?

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Now, If I'm the Rangers, I look to get him to commit to a long term deal over the summer. If he refuses to commit long term, I trade him during the season.

It's a capped world. These things are bound to happen. Before the guy goes and you get nada, trade his arse for picks/prospects and what ever else you can get in return.

This is why I follow no players. I have no emotional attachment to any one player. If the Ducks said you give us Callahan, we give you Ryan.

Buh-bye Cally

IMHO, the Rangers do not have ONE SINGLE untouchable player.

They carry different levels of value, but they are ALL AVAILABLE.

all of them
I don't see management sitting on their hands with Henrik. I don't think they're delusional about the fact that he's getting frustrated either. They know full well if he walks they'll be in deep $!

I think they'll bring in more offense. I think they'll push for a more offensive style in camp. I think they will bring in help for the PP. I think they move Tortorella if he resists the latter/and or fails next season.


If they get the sense Hank wants to leave regardless of the above, then they need to move him to make sure they can bring back some pieces in which to rebuild with.

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I think if Hank left, the first call is going to LA and the Rangers won't hang up until they've acquired Bernier.
They have Quick locked up for 10 years.

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They have Quick locked up for 10 years.
Him and Lundqvist would easily be the best tandem in the league.

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Toronto/St. Louis could be heavily interested, IMO.

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Pretty sure Trxjw wasn't suggesting Hank was going to LA. Rather if he left (the Rangers) we would go after Bernier.

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I think if Hank left, the first call is going to LA and the Rangers won't hang up until they've acquired Bernier.
Was thinking the exact same thing, though the Devils fans hopes are resting upon getting Bernier out of LA.

Perosnally I dont give Hank a dime over 8mil/year. Even at that it would be a long thought process before I offered it up. I just think in todays NHL you can be successful without your goalie being your best player.

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Was thinking the exact same thing, though the Devils fans hopes are resting upon getting Bernier out of LA.

Perosnally I dont give Hank a dime over 8mil/year. Even at that it would be a long thought process before I offered it up. I just think in todays NHL you can be successful without your goalie being your best player.
I think the league consensus is you need your goalie to be the best player just not the highest paid.

Hank got his $$ when it was common to lock up good goal tending long term, Luongo, DiPietro, Hank etc. The league has now kind of revised that thinking and folks are no longer beholden to the idea that you have to build out from the net.

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