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05-28-2013, 10:49 AM
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LeBlanc will be exactly what he was supposed to be. A 3rd line NHLer with SOME scoring touch. Im thinking a 30 point 2 way player.
This. Simple as that.

Going NCAA hurt him.. He was a 50 goal scorer in Midget AAA 2nd year, having seen him 10-15 times that year, he had no business there.

In the Q his offensive game would of blossomed, instead he became more rounded, but his offensive game suffered.

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05-28-2013, 10:50 AM
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We need to improve our AHL team before any of the kids are going to get that much better.

Expecting the kids to be the best players on the team and only bringing in vets like Stortini and Hagel .. what the serious ****?

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If louis leblanc wants to have sucess he will have to work like a madman during the offseason.... gain a good 10-15pounds and get himself mentaly prepared... then he will have a decent chances to put his carreer in the right track for a top 6 forward otherwise... he might be labeled athe next kyle chipchura quicker than he might hope.

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We need to improve our AHL team before any of the kids are going to get that much better.

Expecting the kids to be the best players on the team and only bringing in vets like Stortini and Hagel .. what the serious ****?
^^^^This. It's a huge problem, especially when you also have a brand new, rookie coach. Management seems to have underestimated the significance of this; we basically had a junior team playing seasoned pros last year. Not good!!!!

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05-28-2013, 11:03 AM
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Maybe he wants to go back to Harvard?

He looked great in his first year, the type of guy who's hockey sense was just too high for him to bust. He looked like he would be a staple 3rd line player, temporary top 6 fill in case of injury ala Higgins. To see him regress so much in just one year is...well weird. He wasn't just good with the habs in 2011-2012, he played well with the bulldogs as well.

The team the bulldogs had this season didn't help either. For example, Gallagher goal per game production and point per game production was higher in the nhl against tougher competition than it was in the ahl. Not the best justification or the best explanation, but it can be a part of the explanation. That doesn't mean I want to take the blame away from Louis, but I have a hard time believing that the regression was due to a lack of talent when he played so well in the previous years no matter what level or league he played in.
The biggest problem on the Bulldogs this year was the same as the Oilers in the NHL, a team too young, not enough contributing veterans. Losing Geoffrion to his injury plus Palushaj to waivers really hurt and forced rookies and 2nd year guys to carry the team.

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LeBlanc will be exactly what he was supposed to be. A 3rd line NHLer with SOME scoring touch. Im thinking a 30 point 2 way player.
I think he has more upside than that once he fills out and improves his skating, he has high end hockey sense and good hands and could put up 20-25 goals and 40-50 points with some PP time.

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05-28-2013, 11:05 AM
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If louis leblanc wants to have sucess he will have to work like a madman during the offseason.... gain a good 10-15pounds and get himself mentaly prepared... then he will have a decent chances to put his carreer in the right track for a top 6 forward otherwise... he might be labeled athe next kyle chipchura quicker than he might hope.
He's already added about 15lbs since being drafted. 10-15lbs in one summer is a bit too much for a hockey player. If he can get up to 195lbs(adding 5-7lbs) that would be good.

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05-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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Give him a proper coach in Hamilton and he could still become a very useful player for the organization.

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05-28-2013, 01:04 PM
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Leblanc should do the same training as Pacioretty this summer. He needs to work on those chicken legs or he'll never be a regular NHLer.
That's kind funny, I think Patch over kills it in the summer.

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05-28-2013, 01:07 PM
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He did very very well during his stint with the habs. So i'm not so worried.

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05-28-2013, 01:40 PM
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Let's not forget Leblanc's impressive WJC performance, where he and Couturier were Canada's most effective 2-way forwards and about the only two who showed up for that Gold medal game...

He's not going to put up insane numbers in the AHL, especially not with the guys he played with this year. He will need to be evaluated and promoted based on his defensive play and overall impact on the game. I can see a bounce back year with some time in the NHL in 2013-14.
For sure no one should expect insane numbers from last season... but when so many of his teammates outscore LL, there's a problem. Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Dumont (though Dumont is a bit older) have clearly passed him on the depth chart. Probably Bournival as well. Holland is close. Every time a younger player moves ahead, LL gets further from a big league job.

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This kind of reminds me of the situation Pacioretty was in 3 short years ago. Everybody thought was going to be a bust. Now look at him.
One thing about Pacioretty, even when he wasn't scoring, he was getting a ton of shots. Same thing with Gallagher at the beginning of the year.

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05-28-2013, 01:44 PM
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For sure no one should expect insane numbers from last season... but when so many of his teammates outscore LL, there's a problem. Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Dumont (though Dumont is a bit older) have clearly passed him on the depth chart. Probably Bournival as well. Holland is close. Every time a younger player moves ahead, LL gets further from a big league job.
That changes every year. If he has a good year he will surely pass Holland and Bournival. Dumont is more a 4th liner so it doesn't really matter.

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05-28-2013, 01:52 PM
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I was totally disappointed in his play. Obviously his high ankle sprain to a long time to recover from, but he still was bad when he played. There absolutely zero passion in his game and he seemed to be going through the motions. Bad years happen.

There was times when he played well though and I do think he was a little bit snakebitten at times. Hell, his shooting percentage dropped from 9.8% to 6.2%.

I still have hope for him, hopefully next season he comes into camp stronger and with more will to battle.

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I think he should do what Patches did a few years ago and state that he wants to stay in the AHL until he dominates. He can put on extra pounds and work on areas of his game that need work. Still think he can play on our third line. He just needs some work. And patches training program.

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Give him a proper coach in Hamilton and he could still become a very useful player for the organization.
who do you suggest? Lefebvre seems to be universally praized by analysts & peers, but HFboarders hate him because of 1 bad year. EXCEPT everyone who came up from the Bulldogs looked good this year, and one guy is a calder candidate.

Makes sense.

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05-28-2013, 02:04 PM
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That changes every year. If he has a good year he will surely pass Holland and Bournival. Dumont is more a 4th liner so it doesn't really matter.
Younger players tend to improve more, and more quickly, than older ones. That year difference between LL and Bournival & Holland is pretty huge in this context, IMO. As for Dumont being a 4th liner - what job do you see LL competing for? The way I see things, all the players mentioned in this post are ultimately competing for depth jobs.

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Younger players tend to improve more, and more quickly, than older ones. That year difference between LL and Bournival & Holland is pretty huge in this context, IMO. As for Dumont being a 4th liner - what job do you see LL competing for? The way I see things, all the players mentioned in this post are ultimately competing for depth jobs.
I agree on your 1st point, however guys also have hickups and down years, it doesn't mean it permanently derails their career as it's happened to 75% of NHLers. Even guys like Crosby and Ovechkin had dips in productions and down years and bounced back.

LeBlanc has a higher ceiling than Dumont, #2 or 3 center or RW. His upside is somebody like Dupuis, a guy that gives you a bit of everything but not great at any particular one, can play diffenerent roles/positions/situations.

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This entire thing is not that complicated. Although MB would not like to bust out a 1st round draft choice, Habs NEED size, Habs prospect pool is filled with average size players. If you NOT a big prospect then you had better be very good scorer type. For whatever reason Leblanc has put himself in the not one or the other camp. MB might give him one last chance in Hamilton but he might also just sweeten a trade using first rounder Leblanc as that throw in to make the deal go.
Leblanc might get the Habs a bump up in the draft.

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This entire thing is not that complicated. Although MB would not like to bust out a 1st round draft choice, Habs NEED size, Habs prospect pool is filled with average size players. If you NOT a big prospect then you had better be very good scorer type. For whatever reason Leblanc has put himself in the not one or the other camp. MB might give him one last chance in Hamilton but he might also just sweeten a trade using first rounder Leblanc as that throw in to make the deal go.
Leblanc might get the Habs a bump up in the draft.
MB is smarter than that, you don't trade a 21 year old with his value being low. Even if you don't see a future for him here, a smart GM waits at least another half year and give him a chance to bounce back.

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LeBlanc will be exactly what he was supposed to be. A 3rd line NHLer with SOME scoring touch. Im thinking a 30 point 2 way player.
If Timmins thought Leblanc was destined to be a 3rd liner and chose him at 18th he should be fired immediately. 3rd liners are a dime a dozen and can be found throughout the draft and in FA, you don't spend a 1st round pick on a 3rd line player.

Quit trying to pawn off a bad pick with this nonsense.

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This kind of reminds me of the situation Pacioretty was in 3 short years ago. Everybody thought was going to be a bust. Now look at him.
the issue is this

Can LL play bottom 6 ? he will never play top 6 with us

can he be a decent third liner ?

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Have any of you seen LL play? What he needs to improve the most is his skating style and speed, the Men' league is just too fast for him to keep up in. His lack of physical presence doesn't help his cause either since he doesn't possess any sort of exceptional talent. He has a smart head on his shoulders and makes calm and safe decisions. It is probably not what our scouting team intended, but to salvage LL he'd likely find himself in a 3rd-4th line position if he ever dreams of cracking the NHL. The kids still young and who knows what he can improve or how his hockey sense and awareness will grow; but for now he's a longshot from cracking our roster and many other rookies in our system would probably get the nod over him.

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LeBlanc will be exactly what he was supposed to be. A 3rd line NHLer with SOME scoring touch. Im thinking a 30 point 2 way player.
It is a nice thought but 3rd line wingers are more apt to put up 15 to 25 points per year with the average around 20 points.

I can't see him as a center and if Montreal is going to carry two smaller right wingers he will have to beat out Gallagher and Kristo/Gionta. It will be a challenge for him and I think expecting 30 points from a 3rd line player has to be at the top end of expectations.

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the issue is this

Can LL play bottom 6 ? he will never play top 6 with us

can he be a decent third liner ?
Why not is there a "No Louis LeBlanc Rule" taht says he can't paly top 6?

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It is a nice thought but 3rd line wingers are more apt to put up 15 to 25 points per year with the average around 20 points.

I can't see him as a center and if Montreal is going to carry two smaller right wingers he will have to beat out Gallagher and Kristo/Gionta. It will be a challenge for him and I think expecting 30 points from a 3rd line player has to be at the top end of expectations.
Gionta could be gone after next year and Kristo is agood prospect but no lock to play top 6.

I don't see the issue, if we have 3 top 6 calibre RW we paly one on the 3rd line or trade one. People here talk like this is a problem...same with the Nygren situation, if you have too many skilled d-men then use one in a trade.

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When did anyone think Pacioretty would be a bust?

Leblanc still needs to develop in Hamilton. If he becomes an NHLer than it'll be a pleasant addition for MB. If not, well it doesn't really matter at this point as he has fallen down the depth charts of Centers in our system. Also he seems to be to fragile to be an effective third line center.
I wasn't sold on Patches when he first came up, he was super small(not short) and he kept getting killed in the open ice, he would skate up the boards with his head down everytime and get rocked, I never thought he would last

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