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05-28-2013, 02:58 PM
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While I do not disagree with that concept, the truth is history tells us NHL goalies do not return as much in trades as you would think.

The person who said we should trade Hank for Hiller and Bobby Ryan was out of his mind.
Well, if Hank absolutely refuses to take less than, say, 9M and says he will test the market? I trade him. Give me the 60 cents on the dollar and get something useful instead of letting him go for nothing.

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Well, if Hank absolutely refuses to take less than, say, 9M and says he will test the market? I trade him. Give me the 60 cents on the dollar and get something useful instead of letting him go for nothing.
Again, I don't think that would happen because if the Rangers trade Lundqvist and don't receive a goaltender in return, they would be missing the playoffs and the organization would be losing millions in revenue for each playoff game they miss.

Dolan would rather have the team make one post season run with a handful of home games, generating millions in revenue without paying player salaries, than get a few spare parts and miss out on the opportunity for that kind of money.

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I would rather trade him now if they think they can't come to a deal rather than risk losing him for nothing. Just my two cents. I'll take 60-75 cents on the dollar instead of taking 0 cents on the dollar. Letting Hank walk for nothing would be disastrous for this franchise.
And if the Rangers aren't willing to give him a 6-7 year deal, I think they should trade him. I can't see him taking fewer years.

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I'd like the cap hit, but would prefer for the contract to expire when he is 36. As someone else stated, we don't know how he will be at 38, 39, 40, etc. I wouldn't sign any player into his 40's, including Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc at a big cap hit.

2015 $12M
2016 $10M
2017 $8M
2018 $6M
2019 $4M

Would take him to 36 and would be an $8M/YR cap hit, making him the highest paid player on the team (which he deserves) and we wouldn't be handcuffed to keeping him at the cap hit in his twilight years.

Than after 36/37, if he is still good, we can do what the Redwings did with Lidstrom, sign him to a 1 year $7.5 million contract if it fits the bill, or a 2 year contract with a lower cap hit.
Not kosher. If you're paying a player $12M one season, the minimum for any other season is $6M.

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A dubious belief on his part if you ask me.
You never know...the Wangs of Long Island could certainly pay Hank $10 million and remain WAY under the cap. And they would absolutely have a chance to win. There could be other possibilities too.

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Not kosher. If you're paying a player $12M one season, the minimum for any other season is $6M.
Oh, wow. I didn't realize how it worked under the latest CBA.

Otherwise it would have been a solid contract.

Anyhow, I'd be looking at a 5 year / $40 million deal. I agree with you, I wouldn't want to sign him into his twilight years. Five years max at $40 million. How you break down the salary on an annual basis is all circumstantial at that point.

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05-28-2013, 03:03 PM
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Not really. Just because Nash was overpaid does not mean Hank has to be overpaid. Nash's contract should have very little bearing on Hank since we did not sign Nash to that deal.
This. NYR didn't give out Nash's contract. CBJ did. They gave him an inflated contract in order to keep him in an undesirable location and on an awful team. It should have zero impact on Lundqvist's contract. And if you look at it, cap hit played very little impact on CBJ's considerations in signing Nash to that contract. They have been healthily below the cap in every year since Nash signed that contract. It didn't really stop them from making any moves or from improving; a stalled "rebuild" is what kept them from being a better team than they were.

The Crosby and Malkin comparisons are great, but not equivalent. Pittsburgh signed both players. NYR has not signed both players being discussed here.

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Re: Hank having interest in Magnitogorsk... Hahaha... And go play for Iron Mike? Good luck with that one.

I don't think the rumors that Datsyuk is going to the KHL after next season are anywhere near legit. But they hold a lot more weight than Hank going to the KHL anytime soon. Datsyuk has family in Russia and could have a desire to play in his home country to end his career. Hank? Unless the motivation is purely $$$, not so much.

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You're still seriously thinking about this 10mil thing, it's starting to get a bit sad now, don't you think?
Psst, a tip, not everything you read is true.

Can't we turn the conversation to what he can realisticly want to be paid/we think he deserves? Would be much more interesting than all the "omg he cant be paid 10mil, lets run him out of town" "no way 10mil" "10 mil? he isnt crobsy".
He actually gave you those numbers in his response...realistically if he wants to win a Cup here 8 mill is my max for him

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He actually gave you those numbers in his response...realistically if he wants to win a Cup here 8 mill is my max for him
for how many years?

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Devils fans are already clamoring for him. And I find it awkward.

As a Devils fan, I hope that he resigns with the Rangers. He should be a Rangers lifer.

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Starting to think, give Lundqvist whatever he wants. We'll just end up throwing a 10 mil contract at Hossa otherwise.

He wants to win a cup, he's a smart man, he is already carrying the team, why would he want to carry it anymore? As I said, the only way he'll ask for a 10mil contract is if he has given up on the cup and wants to cash out.

He has not given up.

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Devils fans are already clamoring for him. And I find it awkward.

As a Devils fan, I hope that he resigns with the Rangers. He should be a Rangers lifer.

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Starting to think, give Lundqvist whatever he wants. We'll just end up throwing a 10 mil contract at Hossa otherwise.

He wants to win a cup, he's a smart man, he is already carrying the team, why would he want to carry it anymore? As I said, the only way he'll ask for a 10mil contract is if he has given up on the cup and wants to cash out.

He has not given up.
Hi, Hank. What are the lotto numbers?

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There may be a glut of goaltenders on the market this summer, but Lundqvist would be the best of the bunch with a favourable contract (1 year remaining). Should still get a good return for him.

If he wants 10 million per, tell me "good luck to you wherever you wind up after we trade you." Definitely not signing him to an 7-10 year contract.

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Devils fans are already clamoring for him. And I find it awkward.

As a Devils fan, I hope that he resigns with the Rangers. He should be a Rangers lifer.
Why would Devils fans want a guy who is only good because of his big pads or 6 goalie system?

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Hi, Hank. What are the lotto numbers?
That post makes no sense whatsoever sad little man. First you're implying that I am Hank, then that Hank (me) can see the future?

Wow, just stop posting.

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That post makes no sense whatsoever sad little man. First you're implying that I am Hank, then that Hank (me) can see the future?

Wow, just stop posting.
Sheesh. If you don't get what I am saying, send me a PM if the language barrier is that bad.

I am saying that you are basically inferring that you KNOW that Hank is not asking for 10M (thus calling you Hank). I then proceed to ask you the lotto numbers since you are predicting what Hank will ask for.

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Sheesh. If you don't get what I am saying, send me a PM if the language barrier is that bad.

I am saying that you are basically inferring that you KNOW that Hank is not asking for 10M (thus calling you Hank). I then proceed to ask you the lotto numbers since you are predicting what Hank will ask for.
Seems I know english better though. Or maybe you just had a tough time with it.

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And if the Rangers aren't willing to give him a 6-7 year deal, I think they should trade him. I can't see him taking fewer years.
Why not? Hasek signed a 3-year deal (with the option for a 4th) with the Sabres when he was 33. Granted, he got paid (it wasn't a salary cap world back then); but it also gave him the option to move to another team to finish his career if the Sabres turned out not to be up to snuff and couldn't get him a cup -- which ended up being borne out.

Lundqvist is 31. I could absolutely see him signing a deal anywhere from 3 to 5 years with the hopes that NYR gets it together; but if they don't, he leaves his options open to try for a cup with another team.

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Seems I know english better though. Or maybe you just had a tough time with it.
Uh . . . OK? No idea what you are even talking about at this point.

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Why not? Hasek signed a 3-year deal (with the option for a 4th) with the Sabres when he was 33. Granted, he got paid (it wasn't a salary cap world back then); but it also gave him the option to move to another team to finish his career if the Sabres turned out not to be up to snuff and couldn't get him a cup -- which ended up being borne out.

Lundqvist is 31. I could absolutely see him signing a deal anywhere from 3 to 5 years with the hopes that NYR gets it together; but if they don't, he leaves his options open to try for a cup with another team.
Eh, there is the possibility that he would worry that a 3 year deal would limit his pay after 35. You know with the 35 and over contracts and all.

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You never know...the Wangs of Long Island could certainly pay Hank $10 million and remain WAY under the cap. And they would absolutely have a chance to win. There could be other possibilities too.
While I wold be surprised if Wang opened the cash drawer to sign Hank, that could change depending on what happens with Season Ticket Sales heading into the Barclays...signing Hank for the last season in NVMC could generate some ticket sales in Brooklyn because Hank is well recognized in the Metro Area.

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Like who? What teams that need a goalie would he make "as sure of a bet to win as we've ever seen?"
Chicago, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh would all benefit even more having Lundqvist in net. I know the cap would likely mess with some things (although Philly could buy out Bryz to make room?)

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for how many years?
I wouldn't give him more than 5 years, his style is hard on the knees and hips.

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