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05-28-2013, 11:23 AM
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7th round?

Tyrell Goulbourne - Kelowna Rockets - CL - 5'11 - 195 - Goulbourne is a physical force for the Rockets. He's not the biggest guy, but he hits very hard, plays a rugged game and is one of the leagues more dangerous scrappers. Improved his puck handling ability this season and saw a solid increase in his offensive production because of it. Could draw interest late in the draft as he also had a good postseason for Kelowna.

I know he isn't 6'3 but I have seen him play many times and think he would be a good choice late in the draft.A good checker, PK type 4th liner and tough as nails

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Tyrell Goulbourne - Kelowna Rockets - CL - 5'11 - 195 - Goulbourne is a physical force for the Rockets. He's not the biggest guy, but he hits very hard, plays a rugged game and is one of the leagues more dangerous scrappers. Improved his puck handling ability this season and saw a solid increase in his offensive production because of it. Could draw interest late in the draft as he also had a good postseason for Kelowna.

I know he isn't 6'3 but I have seen him play many times and think he would be a good choice late in the draft.A good checker, PK type 4th liner and tough as nails
I have a couple of names on my shortlist for big scrappers that might be worth a look in the 7th, but I have to wait until the mock draft is over before I can talk about them

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05-28-2013, 11:30 AM
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I saw him a couples of times with the Quebec Remparts and I think he's good enough to be stongly considered if he's available. Remind me Derek Roy, with 2 inches more.
Are we talking shower/locker room inches or yardstick?

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05-28-2013, 11:33 AM
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Leroux is a bigot masquerading as a hockey analyst.
Really? I never noticed that.

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05-28-2013, 11:42 AM
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The operative word there is 'anywhere', smartass.
Take a deep breath, it was just a joke.

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05-28-2013, 12:23 PM
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Take a deep breath, it was just a joke.
I know. Just wanted to clarify for others that might have gotten it.

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05-28-2013, 12:32 PM
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Rychel has a higher ceiling, but Erne brings it every game.
I'd be happy with either one. This is the type of player that we need to target. It's been said a thousand times but we need an infusion of tough forwards with some abilities to round out the prospect pool. I don't really care about size but more about strength, intensity and rashness. Guys that are tough to play against and who won't back down when the going gets tough.

I hope Timmins is able to get his hands on two of these guys:

Horvat
Erne
Zykov
De La Rose
Lazar
Hartman
Rychel
McCarron
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I'd be happy with either one. This is the type of player that we need to target. It's been said a thousand times but we need an infusion of tough forwards with some abilities to round out the prospect pool. I don't really care about size but more about strength, intensity and rashness. Guys that are tough to play against and who won't back down when the going gets tough.

I hope Timmins is able to get his hands on two of these guys:

Horvat
Erne
Zykov
De La Rose
Lazar
Hartman
Rychel
McCarron
Nastasiuk
Completely agree. Our two biggest needs:

1-More skilled forwards in the Gallagher mold in terms of blending skill and compete/fearlessness (achieving Gallagher's level of compete and fearlessness is nearly impossible but we need to move in that direction).

2-Calming presence on the blueline. Minute-eating d-men that do everything reasonably well and can play in all situations. Right now I don't see much of those types of Girardi/McDonagh/Hamhuis/Methot types of all-around d-men in our system. Subban yes, but after that we have offensive specialists and defensive specialists but in terms of D's that can play big minutes and do a little bit of everything it's pretty sparse.

Anyone who follows prospects know of any D that fit criteria #2? Maybe Heatherington or Hagg?

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05-28-2013, 12:53 PM
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Completely agree. Our two biggest needs:

1-More skilled forwards in the Gallagher mold in terms of blending skill and compete/fearlessness (achieving Gallagher's level of compete and fearlessness is nearly impossible but we need to move in that direction).

2-Calming presence on the blueline. Minute-eating d-men that do everything reasonably well and can play in all situations. Right now I don't see much of those types of Girardi/McDonagh/Hamhuis/Methot types of all-around d-men in our system. Subban yes, but after that we have offensive specialists and defensive specialists but in terms of D's that can play big minutes and do a little bit of everything it's pretty sparse.

Anyone who follows prospects know of any D that fit criteria #2? Maybe Heatherington or Hagg?
i like Santini from the USNTDP, big strong two-way def who play a physical game.

Edit: good read on Santini http://www.lohud.com/article/2013050...HL-draft-nears


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05-28-2013, 01:08 PM
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I'd destroy everything within my sight. One D man is fine.. taking two would just make me fly off the handle. We need talent up front.
This bothers me.

Yes we need talent up front, but we should always take BPA regardless. We can balance out our prospect pool later via trades, and the more valuable the players in our pool, the better the return.

If two players are of equal value (say 100 Timmins points) by the time we draft, by all means take the forward. But if we're hesitating between a D-man worth 110 Timmins points and a forward worth 100 Timmins points, draft the D, develop him so that he is a valuable asset and trade him for a forward worth 110 Timmins points (or more) when the time is right.

(P.S. Morrissey and Hagg with our first two picks would be an amazing draft, no matter the state of our prospect pool.)

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Completely agree. Our two biggest needs:

1-More skilled forwards in the Gallagher mold in terms of blending skill and compete/fearlessness (achieving Gallagher's level of compete and fearlessness is nearly impossible but we need to move in that direction).

2-Calming presence on the blueline. Minute-eating d-men that do everything reasonably well and can play in all situations. Right now I don't see much of those types of Girardi/McDonagh/Hamhuis/Methot types of all-around d-men in our system. Subban yes, but after that we have offensive specialists and defensive specialists but in terms of D's that can play big minutes and do a little bit of everything it's pretty sparse.

Anyone who follows prospects know of any D that fit criteria #2? Maybe Heatherington or Hagg?
I 'm from the old school of thought that states you always draft the best player available and trade or use free agency to fill specific needs. Drafting for need necessarily means you may pass over players that have much higher potential. Since most drafted players won't reach the NHL for a minimum of three years the need you are drafting for may no longer be applicable when the player actually can contribute. Drafting the best player available means you have a better chance of acquiring a player that actually plays in the NHL and thus becomes an asset that can either directly contribute to the team's success or be converted into another asset either through a trade for a player that meets an immediate future need or for another draft choice that can start the replenishment cycle anew.

It's all about asset management. Those who do it right, are always competitive.

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05-28-2013, 01:25 PM
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I'd be happy with either one. This is the type of player that we need to target. It's been said a thousand times but we need an infusion of tough forwards with some abilities to round out the prospect pool. I don't really care about size but more about strength, intensity and rashness. Guys that are tough to play against and who won't back down when the going gets tough.

I hope Timmins is able to get his hands on two of these guys:

Horvat
Erne
Zykov
De La Rose
Lazar
Hartman
Rychel
McCarron
Nastasiuk

I can't understand the love for Rychel. What is the burning desire to acquire a player who skates more awkwardly than Latendress and slower than Ryder? Character and finish will take you only so far. But if you can't skate at a NHL level, you'll never get a chance to show it. I understand your hopes, but if somehow Bergevin can acquire both Horvat and Lazar, he should be elected Mayor of Montreal. Nice wish, but realistically, it won't happen as both will go in the top 20. I've watched Lazar since he was a bantam player and he projects as a Dustin Brown with more speed and finish. Lazar and Morin are the only two players that I would make Herculean efforts to move up for. If we acquire either of them, we will have had an excellent draft.


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05-28-2013, 01:48 PM
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I'd be happy with either one. This is the type of player that we need to target. It's been said a thousand times but we need an infusion of tough forwards with some abilities to round out the prospect pool. I don't really care about size but more about strength, intensity and rashness. Guys that are tough to play against and who won't back down when the going gets tough.

I hope Timmins is able to get his hands on two of these guys:

Horvat
Erne
Zykov
De La Rose
Lazar
Hartman

Rychel
McCarron
Nastasiuk
The bolded just seem like low ceiling players. Maybe they can make a difference and become solid 2 way player but I think we should swing for the fences. Thats only my opinion though. The rest of the list is solid.

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05-28-2013, 02:07 PM
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Anyone who follows prospects know of any D that fit criteria #2? Maybe Heatherington or Hagg?
Heatherington is a pure defensive defenceman, so no.

Hagg is a 2-way guy with great tools, but he is wildly inconsistent.

Santini as Jerome pointed out is a good candidate for what you are looking for. So is Ian McCoshen. So is Mirco Mueller.

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05-28-2013, 02:21 PM
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Heatherington is a pure defensive defenceman, so no.

Hagg is a 2-way guy with great tools, but he is wildly inconsistent.

Santini as Jerome pointed out is a good candidate for what you are looking for. So is Ian McCoshen. So is Mirco Mueller.
I somehow get the feeling that Timmins is going to target McCoshen. Dunno, just seems like the type of guy Timmins would be interested in at 25. Maybe it's because he makes me think of Ryan McDonaugh, dunno. Just a feeling.

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The bolded just seem like low ceiling players. Maybe they can make a difference and become solid 2 way player but I think we should swing for the fences. Thats only my opinion though. The rest of the list is solid.
no offence. But, I feel that you're totally off base. Curtis Lazar was a top 10 pick to begin the year because he was a lethal scorer with a very high compete level. Same goes for De La Rose, balls to the wall type player who most really believe has the sky as a limit.

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Heatherington is a pure defensive defenceman, so no.

Hagg is a 2-way guy with great tools, but he is wildly inconsistent.

Santini as Jerome pointed out is a good candidate for what you are looking for. So is Ian McCoshen. So is Mirco Mueller.
Heatherington really looked good at the U-18s though. If he falls to our own second round pick, I'd be doing cartwheels. He's big with tremendous mobility and he showed good poise when keeping things simple. Also, 27 points this year is pretty good production for a purely shutdown defenseman.

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05-28-2013, 02:53 PM
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Heatherington really looked good at the U-18s though. If he falls to our own second round pick, I'd be doing cartwheels. He's big with tremendous mobility and he showed good poise when keeping things simple. Also, 27 points this year is pretty good production for a purely shutdown defenseman.
I like him a lot too and would love to get him with our 2nd, but I'm not sure he fits the bill of ''doing everything reasonably well'' at the NHL level that Scope is looking for.

It's almost impossible to find Ian McCoshen clips. He's like the only guy in the top 40 I've never seen play.

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no offence. But, I feel that you're totally off base. Curtis Lazar was a top 10 pick to begin the year because he was a lethal scorer with a very high compete level. Same goes for De La Rose, balls to the wall type player who most really believe has the sky as a limit.
I stand corrected, however, for some reason I see him as a less favorable player than others that we could pick at that spot. Because the reality is, we have Pleks,Gally and Eller as centers. We should focus on drafting wingers. But you are right, I havent seen Lazar much so I can't really comment on his upside.

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A lot of people seem to have him falling down the rankings, but I still see him as the second or third best defenseman in the draft: Ryan Pulock. Fits your criteria and if by some miracle(s) he's available when Habs pick, it's a no brainer.

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A lot of people seem to have him falling down the rankings, but I still see him as the second or third best defenseman in the draft: Ryan Pulock. Fits your criteria and if by some miracle(s) he's available when Habs pick, it's a no brainer.
I would be so happy if he is there when we pick. I havent been looking at him for us to draft however because I think he will be long gone by the time we pick.

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Heatherington is a pure defensive defenceman, so no.

Hagg is a 2-way guy with great tools, but he is wildly inconsistent.

Santini as Jerome pointed out is a good candidate for what you are looking for. So is Ian McCoshen. So is Mirco Mueller.
I wouldn't mind Hagg, but McDavid really made him look stupid in the U-18. I know it's McDavid, but still.

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I wouldn't mind Hagg, but McDavid really made him look stupid in the U-18. I know it's McDavid, but still.
But it is McDavid. Who didn't he make look stupid? I like Hagg with our pick. The kid has untapped potential on both sides. Great size, would need to bring the consistency as 95% of the kids.

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I would be so happy if he is there when we pick. I havent been looking at him for us to draft however because I think he will be long gone by the time we pick.
May own the best point shot in the draft .. however, skating woes appear to be troublesome, as does his lack of physical aggression .. injuries derailed his season.

You would be happy with this?

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What type of player do you see Anthony Mantha ending up like? I know he's tall and still needs to fill out, but is he a perimeter type player? I haven't seen a lot of him, but what I did see I didn't think he shied away from the physical game or the corners/dirty areas. 50 goals in 67 games is pretty impressive though, so I was wondering if that would translate to the NHL and be a prolific goal scorer there too.

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