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05-28-2013, 03:57 PM
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Don't be so quick to think he'll become an UFA if he stays here. I can see him remain here for the rest of his career being used less and less.
At this point we have 3 PMDs going into next season, PK-Markov-Diaz. Kaberle and Weber are likely to be gone by the start of next year (I don't understand how they could have been used so little this year if the plan isn't to get rid of them).
I don't think Markov is expendable unless Diaz blossoms into some real gem and Beaulieu makes huge progress.
I believe Diaz is likely to be the guy being moved out. He's smaller, isn't better defensively, nor can he QB the PP. Unless this changes, with Beaulieu getting closer, I see him being moved.

What I would like is for Markov to remain here, on the 3rd pairing, with PK and Beaulieu (eventually) taking over the top 2 spots. We would have our 3 PMDs, Markov could get some extra time on the PP as he'll always be a great QB there, and get lower minutes at ES. Those three guys should be paired with bigger and more rugged Dmen. We have Emelin and Tinordi, ideally we eventually move Gorges for someone similar to him except bigger and more physical.
All three of our PMDs would be complimented with bigger physical Dmen.
Also, no more off wing crap unless they are clearly just as comfortable there. Emelin should not play on the right side.


As for Markov, if he remains healthy next year, playing around 20min with heavy PP minutes likely being one of the leaders in the NHL for PP pts again, I'm sure it would be pretty high.
Dias wont be back , he is ok in the regular season but is mismatched come playoff time

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05-28-2013, 04:01 PM
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Ok, but were going a bit off topic about my thread . Value wise, what do you think he's worth?
a lower end first and a decent d or a decent prospect and a second

what I would try and do is look for teams looking to dump due to cap issues

and work something out

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Dias wont be back , he is ok in the regular season but is mismatched come playoff time
Based on... what? Five games plus a few, after months of inactivity from a concussion? Based on that, Sens' Karlsson is a terrible playoff performer for the same reason.

Diaz is a talented, smart D. People have to get over their size fetish.

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Dias wont be back , he is ok in the regular season but is mismatched come playoff time
That's your imagination talking.

Diaz will be back and will probably get a contract extension. He's definitely not the reason we lost to Ottawa.

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Id do Markov+ whst it needs for Huberdeau

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Id do Markov+ whst it needs for Huberdeau
lol

sorry but that + is going to be A LOT

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Id do Markov+ whst it needs for Huberdeau



Huberdeau is untouchable

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05-28-2013, 07:45 PM
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That's your imagination talking.

Diaz will be back and will probably get a contract extension. He's definitely not the reason we lost to Ottawa.
we r going nowhere with these 4 on our top 6 next year

markov dias cube gorges

all 4 are weak in their own zone and get pushed around

dont look at this lucky 48 game stint , next year is 82 with Detroit in our division

we lost to ottawa not because of anderson , our backend was brutal ,period and u dont make a wrong with another wrong

Dias is fine if you have no one who can move the puck

we have PK, Nathan and Markov to an extent , he is a defenisve liability when I need consistency and thats the playoffs my friend

size and toughness is what we need and now , did you see Ottawa`s trees out there
and Karlson was playing at 50% and we couldnt do come close to beating them

the time to start fixing this team is now

Dias, Colby ,Weber and Ryder is where it starts

we need Bickells and Scuderi types not more finesse puck movers

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Huberdeau is untouchable
absolutley not available ,for what a near finished Markov

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Based on... what? Five games plus a few, after months of inactivity from a concussion? Based on that, Sens' Karlsson is a terrible playoff performer for the same reason.

Diaz is a talented, smart D. People have to get over their size fetish.
great sign him and watch him and the rest of our inefficient D men in the playoffs again

r u guys watching the playoffs , it shows how much work we need to do to get to contending status and it starts on our back end

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Strong this, Markov's impact on our PP is still outrageously underrated around here
I agree he's underrated or unappreciated for what he does.
Yeh,he plays too many minutes,cut him back to 20 minutes and PP time like a previous poster mentioned.

I think at the trade deadline Marky could fetch a 1st and a decent prospect.

I for one would not trade him because his knowledge and mentoring is far too valuable
to the young "D"

Let him teach the kids.

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05-28-2013, 08:00 PM
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There's ZERO chance I move Markov until we fix our defense. And if people think that by subtracting Markov and giving Diaz or Emelin more minutes is the way to go then..

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There's ZERO chance I move Markov until we fix our defense. And if people think that by subtracting Markov and giving Diaz or Emelin more minutes is the way to go then..
Agreed my friend to a point

right now Markov , Gorges , Cube and Dias( if signed ) is a bad combination as 4 of your 6

but u have to start somehere to fix this in the summer

I would keep Markov and deal with him next year but would not keep him beyond his contract , he is not a reliable defender anymore

Dias to me is expendable as I can find one anytime , we did with Streit , we did it with Dias , we could find another 25 year old in Europe to come over

we need size so Tinordi starts , Cube will need to be replaced after next season
but we need new blood , at some point Nathan and Pateryn should be inserted but not at the expense of resigning Dias then realize we jumped the gun like the DD contract

simply put our backend was probably the worst of all playoff teams and needs fixing and now

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Tinordi and Beaulieu are the "new blood". Although Beaulieu might start
in the AHL. Markov' trade value is the question here. And I think that changes
a lot with when you trade him. If you trade him tomorrow I think you get about
a: really late first, or really good second, or
middle second and good third.

Of course you can always replace any pick with a prospect of the same value.

Although myself, I wouldn't trade him. I think he is the natural leader of this
team. And I think he makes everyone around him better.

If he has a good season next year, and there is no understanding about an
extension, then there is the question of what his worth at the next trade dead-
line. It might be more then it is now. And then it is a question of what he can
bring to us in the play-offs, as opposed to what he brings in a trade.

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05-28-2013, 09:15 PM
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I would definately consider a trade with detroit around Brendan Smith or Ryan Sproul + 1st round pick this year.

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If Edmonton is still willing to trade their 1st round pick I'd go ahead and trade Markov and a prospect like Nystrom .

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At the deadline, I think Markov could fetch a pretty good return. 1st round pick and a prospect for sure.

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Dias wont be back , he is ok in the regular season but is mismatched come playoff time
I would keep Diaz for now. I do think we need to get bigger and meaner on the back end, but Diaz has been a pretty good player. He only has two seasons under his belt. He showed significant improvement in his second season. He's smart. If you still want to trade him later, fine. But his value could increase with a little more time.

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An aging, injury prone, increasingly ineffective, overpaid pp specialist. Pretty much nothing. Certainly not until deadline time when somebody inevitably panics and tries to catch lightning in a bottle.

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An aging, injury prone, increasingly ineffective, overpaid pp specialist. Pretty much nothing. Certainly not until deadline time when somebody inevitably panics and tries to catch lightning in a bottle.
We're talking about Markov, not Wiz.

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05-29-2013, 05:23 AM
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Don't be so quick to think he'll become an UFA if he stays here. I can see him remain here for the rest of his career being used less and less.
At this point we have 3 PMDs going into next season, PK-Markov-Diaz. Kaberle and Weber are likely to be gone by the start of next year (I don't understand how they could have been used so little this year if the plan isn't to get rid of them).
I don't think Markov is expendable unless Diaz blossoms into some real gem and Beaulieu makes huge progress.
I believe Diaz is likely to be the guy being moved out. He's smaller, isn't better defensively, nor can he QB the PP. Unless this changes, with Beaulieu getting closer, I see him being moved.

What I would like is for Markov to remain here, on the 3rd pairing, with PK and Beaulieu (eventually) taking over the top 2 spots. We would have our 3 PMDs, Markov could get some extra time on the PP as he'll always be a great QB there, and get lower minutes at ES. Those three guys should be paired with bigger and more rugged Dmen. We have Emelin and Tinordi, ideally we eventually move Gorges for someone similar to him except bigger and more physical.
All three of our PMDs would be complimented with bigger physical Dmen.
Also, no more off wing crap unless they are clearly just as comfortable there. Emelin should not play on the right side.


As for Markov, if he remains healthy next year, playing around 20min with heavy PP minutes likely being one of the leaders in the NHL for PP pts again, I'm sure it would be pretty high.
Get out of my head, I agree with everything except moving Diaz. I don't think this will happen, nor do I think it's necessary. Moving Gorges for that big tough D is the move I make all day long.

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If 2 years ago, the Wiz went for a second rounder, Markov should go for better. Now more recently, Murray went for 2 second round picks. Idk what Shero was thinking but if someone else makes a trade valued like that, I would expect for Markov a 1st and a good prospect.

The only way i think Markov gets moved is if we're out of a playoff spot come the deadline and MB has spoken about trading him and re-signing him in the offseason (please hockey gods).

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Markov has a NMC.
He is going to stay in Montréal.

PK is learning by playing with him and is the only D-Men who can have same minutes as him.

TOI gives a very good idea of the evaluation of the staff.

He even gets more SH TOI/G than Subban.
He was the fourth in points among D-men, 12th in ppg in TOI in the league.
So basically, he would be the top d-men in half of the teams in the league.

He is going to be 35 by the end of his contract and will probably sign again with us for 2 or 3 years.

This thread is really strange.
I even read someone comparing him to Kaberle now.
The last time Kaberle has SH TOI was a minute per game (second PK) in 2008-2009.

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we r going nowhere with these 4 on our top 6 next year

markov dias cube gorges

all 4 are weak in their own zone and get pushed around

dont look at this lucky 48 game stint , next year is 82 with Detroit in our division

we lost to ottawa not because of anderson , our backend was brutal ,period and u dont make a wrong with another wrong

Dias is fine if you have no one who can move the puck

we have PK, Nathan and Markov to an extent , he is a defenisve liability when I need consistency and thats the playoffs my friend

size and toughness is what we need and now , did you see Ottawa`s trees out there
and Karlson was playing at 50% and we couldnt do come close to beating them

the time to start fixing this team is now

Dias, Colby ,Weber and Ryder is where it starts

we need Bickells and Scuderi types not more finesse puck movers
You must have been drunk throughout the Ottawa series if you thought their defense and not Anderson was the reason they won. In the future, don't drink and watch TV.

As far as the Habs defense, you don't destroy the good to fix the bad, you add pieces and keep the good parts, add another big stay at home guy to help Emelin and Gorges. Goaltending cost us twice as many goals as the defense.

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Markov has a NMC.
He is going to stay in Montréal.

PK is learning by playing with him and is the only D-Men who can have same minutes as him.

TOI gives a very good idea of the evaluation of the staff.

He even gets more SH TOI/G than Subban.
He was the fourth in points among D-men, 12th in ppg in TOI in the league.
So basically, he would be the top d-men in half of the teams in the league.

He is going to be 35 by the end of his contract and will probably sign again with us for 2 or 3 years.

This thread is really strange.
I even read someone comparing him to Kaberle now.
The last time Kaberle has SH TOI was a minute per game (second PK) in 2008-2009.
The problem i have with this is that he shouldn't be playing top 2 minutes, he should be playing top 4 minutes (Markov). The guy looked gas and i don't know if those legs will be able to take it...

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