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05-28-2013, 03:33 PM
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Rychel is going to be a solid pro ..rt switch with lazar?
Rychel isn't anywhere near my top 10 forwards to be honest, and I've seen A LOT of him this year.

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Rychel isn't anywhere near my top 10 forwards to be honest, and I've seen A LOT of him this year.
Players who appear to have wildly inconsistent levels of effort tend to scare me.

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"@azc_mclellan: Regarding the draft, Maloney said he's already been offered deal to move up."

This is an interesting quote. Would anyone care to speculate?

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"@azc_mclellan: Regarding the draft, Maloney said he's already been offered deal to move up."

This is an interesting quote. Would anyone care to speculate?
Carolina and Edmonton seem to be the most likely spots as they need immediate D help. Would be amazing if GMDM can move up w/o paying an arm and a leg to nab Lindholm/Monahan.

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Carolina and Edmonton seem to be the most likely spots as they need immediate D help. Would be amazing if GMDM can move up w/o paying an arm and a leg to nab Lindholm/Monahan.
My thoughts exactly. Amateur question here, but exactly how NHL ready are either Lindholm or Monahan expected to be? Does either need more seasoning in the AHL or could they potentially make the roster of a team with poor center depth such as Phoenix, right out of camp?

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My thoughts exactly. Amateur question here, but exactly how NHL ready are either Lindholm or Monahan expected to be? Does either need more seasoning in the AHL or could they potentially make the roster of a team with poor center depth such as Phoenix, right out of camp?
I wouldn't go that route. I'd let them develop.

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05-28-2013, 04:12 PM
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I wouldn't go that route. I'd let them develop.
Seems wise after rushing Turris, Boedker etc. From what I understand they have very high ceilings, so it would probably be for the best not to hurry them along.

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05-28-2013, 04:17 PM
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Players who appear to have wildly inconsistent levels of effort tend to scare me.
Yup. That's why I hope we stay away from Mantha and Rychel.

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05-28-2013, 04:18 PM
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My thoughts exactly. Amateur question here, but exactly how NHL ready are either Lindholm or Monahan expected to be? Does either need more seasoning in the AHL or could they potentially make the roster of a team with poor center depth such as Phoenix, right out of camp?
General consensus is that Monahan is a bit more NHL ready than Lindholm and can probably start in a bottom 6 role immediately due to his defensive + faceoff ability. I tend to agree with that (though Lindholm has very good two-way play as well)

That being said, pretty sure the Yotes will not press either of them into immediate service. And it's the right move - both do need some time in the minors before being thrown into regular duty; definitely don't want to rush them and ruin their development. Although our center situation is far from ideal, GMDM certainly can package our surplus D (e.g. Klesla) into roster forwards.

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05-28-2013, 04:41 PM
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So anyone care to take a guess at who DM would need to give up in order to move up to say Carolina's pick? So help me god if any of you say Yandle I'm going to come to your house and beat you with a wet noodle until you either regain some modicum of sense or you're a vegetable and no longer a danger to yourself or those around you!

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I would assume Gormley would be the asking price. At least.

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So anyone care to take a guess at who DM would need to give up in order to move up to say Carolina's pick? So help me god if any of you say Yandle I'm going to come to your house and beat you with a wet noodle until you either regain some modicum of sense or you're a vegetable and no longer a danger to yourself or those around you!
Likely going to be Gormley+, though I think the Canes desire a RHD more. Maybe GMDM can sell them on Rundblad or Stone...

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Likely going to be Gormley+, though I think the Canes desire a RHD more. Maybe GMDM can sell them on Rundblad or Stone...
Or Connor Murphy

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Or Connor Murphy
I know GMDM is a trade magician and all, but I don't think any GM can get more for Murphy than a bag of pucks at this stage in his career.

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I know GMDM is a trade magician and all, but I don't think any GM can get more for Murphy than a bag of pucks at this stage in his career.
I'm aware of Murphy's value dropping every year. But if were talking about a sell job Murphy is as good a choice as any. And If Gormley has to be the prospect included with our first to move up, I would prefer we stay at 12.

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05-28-2013, 05:56 PM
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I would assume Gormley would be the asking price. At least.
Gormley is projected to be a 1-2 defenseman and I believe most consider that projection a fairly safe bet. Personally I don't think moving up 7 spots worth that, not even close.

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I'd take a late 1st and 2 2nds to move back into the last five picks of the first round. That'd give Knickle and Maloney 6 picks inside the top 75. Hope someone falls, or take Rychel/Compher. The depth of the system always needs boosting. Outside of the D (which is about to resolve itself somehow) there ins't much to be proud of.

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05-28-2013, 06:11 PM
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Listening to DM talking briefly about the draft, you can sense that this will be a very exciting, anything can happen, day.

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My thoughts exactly. Amateur question here, but exactly how NHL ready are either Lindholm or Monahan expected to be? Does either need more seasoning in the AHL or could they potentially make the roster of a team with poor center depth such as Phoenix, right out of camp?
Does anyone know where I can find Lindholm's stats.

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05-28-2013, 06:24 PM
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Does anyone know where I can find Lindholm's stats.
As with all prospects, the best site is eliteprospects.com

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4th best PPG draft eligible year in SEL history.

.84 - D. Sedin (50gp)
.74 - P. Forsberg (23gp)
.69 - H. Sedin (49gp)
.63 - E. Lindholm (48gp)
He's my third ranked forward.


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05-28-2013, 06:25 PM
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General consensus is that Monahan is a bit more NHL ready than Lindholm and can probably start in a bottom 6 role immediately due to his defensive + faceoff ability. I tend to agree with that (though Lindholm has very good two-way play as well)

That being said, pretty sure the Yotes will not press either of them into immediate service. And it's the right move - both do need some time in the minors before being thrown into regular duty; definitely don't want to rush them and ruin their development. Although our center situation is far from ideal, GMDM certainly can package our surplus D (e.g. Klesla) into roster forwards.
Do you think Monahan will learn much more in his fourth year in junior? I don't like rushing these kids, but that fourth year always seems like a wasted year.

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As with all prospects, the best site is eliteprospects.com
Thank you!

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Players who appear to have wildly inconsistent levels of effort tend to scare me.
Is Rychel's effort level inconsistent, though, or has it simply improved from the beginning of the season?

Rychel had 48 points in his last 29 games. No OHL player was more productive in the second half of the year. It's worth noting that that was all with Alexander Khokhlachev back on his line. Without Khokhlachev, Rychel scored 39 points in 39 games, which isn't awful, and pretty much anyone would produce more with someone like that on his line than without, so I'm not too concerned about the dropoff.

Rychel is, without a doubt, a complimentary player. He's not great at creating offense on his own, he's not a speedy player, and as mentioned, his effort level can wax and wane. But there's room on a first line for a complimentary player like Rychel as long as there's someone a bit more dynamic to help him generate offense.

The best comparison I can think of is James Neal, though I expect Rychel to be picked a little earlier. Their build, their shot, their nastiness, their inconsistency (at least at the junior level). You can't argue with Neal's production since joining the Penguins. He's played most of that time with Malkin and he obviously needs Malkin more than Malkin needs him, but there aren't a ton of wings in the league who could pot 40 goals in back-to-back seasons (prorated) even with a stud center dishing him the puck.

I expect Rychel to be a very similar player. There are players who will weigh down whatever line their on, and there are players who will lift their linemates, whoever they are. But there are also guys like Neal and Rychel who, while they can't carry a line on their own, are capable of flourishing under the right circumstances.

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Maloney also said he could trade down to around #20.

Last year, Buffalo traded #21 and #42 to Calgary for #14. Just for comparison.

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Do you think Monahan will learn much more in his fourth year in junior? I don't like rushing these kids, but that fourth year always seems like a wasted year.
If he were my prospect, I'd want him to stay in the NHL next season for nine games, get assigned to his junior squad, completely DOMINATE the OHL, go to the World JRs, destroy that tournament, win a gold medal, and then come play for my AHL squad in the playoffs for pro experience. The following NHL training camp is his oyster.

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