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05-28-2013, 11:49 PM
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AV is actually worse than McLellan. Without AV on the Nucks bench we may not have a second round loss to cry over.
I agree with this 100%. Even at the time I thought AV was idiotic to go back to Schneider for Games 3 and 4. Yes the Sharks were up 2-0, but the Sharks weren't scoring goals because of Lou and I don't think they looked that great against Lou. I really think if AV stuck with Lou the series would have gone longer, maybe much longer.

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05-28-2013, 11:50 PM
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He was successful when he had no alternative anymore. If the Sharks don't trade Murray, McLellan continues to play him. If the Sharks don't trade Clowe, he would've continued to play him. Handzus was playing up until the Murray trade when he had not earned a spot in the lineup even dating back to last season.

There are issues with McLellan that will make it supremely difficult to get over the hump and win it all. His personnel decisions cost them a lot of games. And he's not helped out by DW because he only enables this veteran experience culture that they have.
First of all Wilson wouldn't trade anyone without consulting the coaching staff.

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05-28-2013, 11:52 PM
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Outcoaching AV isnt a huge accomplishment. TMac isnt a great coach. He only makes lineup changes when the team loses. He kept playing Murray over Demers in the regular season and still played Irwin in Game 7.
Robinson kept playing Murray over Demers

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Robinson kept playing Murray over Demers
The Pen's still are. In fact they gave us 2 2nds for him.

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05-28-2013, 11:53 PM
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I am not sure how they got into the bigger is better in Buffalo but Ruff was playing it to beat the band to his own detriment. He wasn't using what he had very well at all at the end of his tenure. Previously, he was a good coach for developing forwards and coaching offensive systems.
Maybe so but Ruff is really only for going for it next year. I don't want this team to do that. They need to go back to building from within. Since they're going to have to make cuts to get under the cap or be top heavy to be compliant, I don't see how they can improve so much to make them legitimate Cup contenders rather than a team that needs to get lucky (since the Sharks don't get a lot of that historically).

They need to get younger, they need to get quicker, and they need a coach that is better at playing that way and developing young players at this level. I don't like that young players have to play safe to stay in the lineup. Braun shows flashes of offensive ability and intelligence but they're so risk-averse that the guys that are smart enough, play it safe so they don't get yanked from the lineup.

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05-28-2013, 11:54 PM
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I would take Pat Quinn, Lindy Ruff and Paul Maurice over TMac.
Yeah this team would suck if that happened.

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05-28-2013, 11:54 PM
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He was successful when he had no alternative anymore. If the Sharks don't trade Murray, McLellan continues to play him. If the Sharks don't trade Clowe, he would've continued to play him. Handzus was playing up until the Murray trade when he had not earned a spot in the lineup even dating back to last season.

There are issues with McLellan that will make it supremely difficult to get over the hump and win it all. His personnel decisions cost them a lot of games. And he's not helped out by DW because he only enables this veteran experience culture that they have.
While I think we agree on most, my biggest problem with TMac is that it appears he installs a system of not finishing your check. Which has been proven to be an integral part of winning the cup.

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First of all Wilson wouldn't trade anyone without consulting the coaching staff.
Fairly presumptuous statement.

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05-28-2013, 11:55 PM
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First of all Wilson wouldn't trade anyone without consulting the coaching staff.
Either, DW would trade someone without consulting and is doing it because it's obvious that certain guys were hindering the team or they consulted and came to that decision and yet still played him anyway knowing full well it was solely to keep his trade value up rather than doing what is best for the team in terms of winning games at that moment. Either way, it doesn't speak too well to DW nor TMac and is a huge internal issue that needs to be addressed.

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05-28-2013, 11:57 PM
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Maybe so but Ruff is really only for going for it next year. I don't want this team to do that. They need to go back to building from within. Since they're going to have to make cuts to get under the cap or be top heavy to be compliant, I don't see how they can improve so much to make them legitimate Cup contenders rather than a team that needs to get lucky (since the Sharks don't get a lot of that historically).

They need to get younger, they need to get quicker, and they need a coach that is better at playing that way and developing young players at this level. I don't like that young players have to play safe to stay in the lineup. Braun shows flashes of offensive ability and intelligence but they're so risk-averse that the guys that are smart enough, play it safe so they don't get yanked from the lineup.
I see Ruff circa 03-05 as an excellent developmental coach. He hasn't been so good in that regard recently. 03-05 was also good on systems, breakout options coming out of their ears with a smurf team.

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Either, DW would trade someone without consulting and is doing it because it's obvious that certain guys were hindering the team or they consulted and came to that decision and yet still played him anyway knowing full well it was solely to keep his trade value up rather than doing what is best for the team in terms of winning games at that moment. Either way, it doesn't speak too well to DW nor TMac and is a huge internal issue that needs to be addressed.
I guess man. The Sharks went through quite the metamorphosis this season.

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Coaches like Torts and Keenan are a dying breed. The players make too much money to be intimidated by a coach. Guaranteed contracts contribute to the psychology. The more effective coaches are generally more low key.
I wonder if Mark Jackson can coach hockey

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The Pen's still are. In fact they gave us 2 2nds for him.
The Pens are a much better team than the Sharks and Murray is seeing a lot less icetime than the other 5 Pittsburgh defenceman.

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I see Ruff circa 03-05 as an excellent developmental coach. He hasn't been so good in that regard recently. 03-05 was also good on systems, breakout options coming out of their ears with a smurf team.
Isn't that really only one season?

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05-29-2013, 12:00 AM
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One thing the Sharks need to improve on is to find a guy who can bury chances up close in front of the goal. All the guys they have seem to need a lot of room. At this point we have to hope Hertl is that guy

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While I think we agree on most, my biggest problem with TMac is that it appears he installs a system of not finishing your check. Which has been proven to be an integral part of winning the cup.
Well, the focus isn't on hitting with this staff. While they're right that there are more important issues than hitting like puck management and defensive positioning, it's something that ought to be ingrained in their thought process and it isn't. I don't care if the team is on the losing end of the hit stat but there's no reason to not finish your check unless you see an opportunity to pick up a loose puck...especially on the fore-check.

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05-29-2013, 12:01 AM
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While I think we agree on most, my biggest problem with TMac is that it appears he installs a system of not finishing your check. Which has been proven to be an integral part of winning the cup.
No it hasn't. Typically cup winners have finished near the bottom for "hitting" because teams that possess the puck more tend to dictate play and win more games. Hits are the most inconsistent stat in the game.

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05-29-2013, 12:02 AM
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Yeeeeah, let's keep playing the 4th line with 6 minutes left to go in game 7 when we need a goal - a line that can't do **** on the score-sheet ...

Is this idiot's contract up, or does he really need to be fired? Can we just let him walk?

Fire DW while we're at it too ...

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Isn't that really only one season?
I think he meant 03-05 and before its no coincidence that it is prior to the lockout

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Yeeeeah, let's keep playing the 4th line with 6 minutes left to go in game 7 when we need a goal - a line that can't do **** on the score-sheet ...

Is this idiot's contract up, or does he really need to be fired? Can we just let him walk?

Fire DW while we're at it too ...
The fourth line got some of the best chances

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I would take Pat Quinn, Lindy Ruff and Paul Maurice over TMac.
If you really really want Aaron EkBlad.

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Well, the focus isn't on hitting with this staff. While they're right that there are more important issues than hitting like puck management and defensive positioning, it's something that ought to be ingrained in their thought process and it isn't. I don't care if the team is on the losing end of the hit stat but there's no reason to not finish your check unless you see an opportunity to pick up a loose puck...especially on the fore-check.
I don't think that's all on the coaching. When you see your two stars not doing it, it's tough for the rest of the team to follow. Neither Jumbo nor Patty have ever used their size.

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The fourth line got some of the best chances
Did you actually think they were going to score?

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I like TMac, I honestly do, but 5 years down the road he is under .500 in the playoffs. That is clearly not good enough. I'm on the fence with this one.

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Serious question, is AV a realistic option? Need-be we go another route?

Edit: I'm still on board for keeping TMac. Just a 'what if' and what fans think.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I hate that guy more than I hated Raffi Torres. No AV, he is the anti christ. Please no. I can't describe how much I hate that weasel. No I don't want him anywhere near this team.

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