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05-29-2013, 10:38 AM
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No, but he is one of those players you can count on being useful anywhere. He has speed, kills penalties, ect.

I mean Tlusty+McBain+5th overall seems like a no-brainer to me, but maybe I am just undervaluing Marc or overvaluing the player who might be available at #5.
I just don't see where McBain plays moving forward. Is he an exceptional puck-mover? Not really.

Tlusty is soft. I would do:

Murphy + 5th overall + _______

If it happens to be Tlusty, I would look around the league and try to deal him off for a young power forward. Not a fan.

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Only way I deal Staal to Carolina is for Skinner.

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Only way I deal Staal to Carolina is for Skinner.
**** Jeff Skinner, that diver. Then every game we'll have to hear Joe Mich talk about what a great figure skater he used to be, and what great balance he has, and oh look at that! he fell again trying to draw a penalty. Just like Sidney Crosby is the strongest skater in the league, but always seems to be on his ass. And LeBron James is the ultimate athlete, but falls when a strong gust of wind blows through the arena.

I, personally, hate players like that.

I'd only take Skinner on the Rangers to watch Tortorella ruin his career

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Only way I deal Staal to Carolina is for Skinner.
Head problems for head problems?

I like Skinner, but his size and now recent concussion history are troubling.

Faulk is their most priced possession. He would be a phenomenal addition. Not happening.

Murphy is going to be a dynamite offensive d-man. This team is full of 2-way guys.

The 5th overall HAS to be included. Maybe a prospect like Victor Rask? Add another Swede forward? He has some high potential.

Murphy + Rask + 5th overall?

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Skinner is the type of winger the Rangers could use, certainly and on the power play, but I have to shy away from his injuries. Were they to deal Staal straight for him, they would need to protect him.

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Only way I deal Staal to Carolina is for Skinner.
only was healthy for 1 season out of the 3 he has played in the NHL. has concussion issues.... yea lets trade for that guy as talented as he is, his concussions scare me...... Rangers would need some type of insurance in the trade if possible. very talented player though. another non physical soft winger if the 5th overall comes with Skinner then id consider it but would need to think about it..

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only was healthy for 1 season out of the 3 he has played in the NHL. has concussion issues.... yea lets trade for that guy as talented as he is, his concussions scare me...... Rangers would need some type of insurance in the trade if possible. very talented player though. another non physical soft winger
So would the Canes.

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1. (1) Ryan Murphy, D, 8.0C
Drafted 1st round, 12th overall, 2011

Over the last eight months, Ryan Murphy played hockey for four different teams in two hemispheres at four levels of competition. Murphy captained the Kitchener Rangers in the OHL, and collected 49 points through 54 regular season games. He helped lead the Rangers to the Western Conference Semi-Finals, where they fell in five games to the eventual Western Conference champion London Knights. Murphy also played for Team Canada at the World Junior Championships in Ufa, Russia, but his trip there also ended in disappointment after Canada lost to the US in the semi-finals and failed to win a medal. In late February, Murphy got his first chance to play in the NHL, and saw four games of scoreless action before his emergency call up ended. After his OHL season, he joined the Charlotte Checkers in the AHL where he scored four points in eight games.

Murphy is a gifted offensive defenseman, with great vision and the passing ability to get the puck to open players. The former first-round pick lacks size and still needs extensive development of his defensive skills, but when the puck is on his stick, he makes things happen. Although he seems destined to be a powerplay specialist at the NHL level, if he can acquire the patience and determination to play a solid game in his own end, he could become a valuable top-4 defenseman
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...na-hurricanes/

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2. (2) Victor Rask, C, 7.5C
Drafted 2nd round, 42nd overall, 2011

Rask missed significant time from the Hitmen roster this year, not due to injury (a knee injury caused him to miss several games at the end of the 2011-12 season), but because he was getting an extended look with the Charlotte Checkers in the AHL, and then playing for Sweden in the World Junior Championships. Yet, having played in just 37 regular season games in the WHL, Rask scored 14 goals and 27 assists, good enough for a seventh-overall spot on the team's scoring list. However, Rask shone during Calgary's playoff run. He was the team's leading scoring through seventeen games, and helped carry the Hitmen to the Eastern Conference Finals before they lost in seven games to the Edmonton Oil Kings.

Rask has speed and good size, and he uses both to protect the puck and buy time for his linemates to find space. He has the ability to battle in the corners and maintain puck possession, even when harried by several opponents. Rask is not an elite-level scorer, but with his hockey sense and physical play, he should develop into a valuable contributor on the Hurricanes second line.


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I know many may want a NHL body coming back, but I would be happy with those (2).

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05-29-2013, 10:56 AM
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Scott Gordon coached Bergeron in the AHL during the 2004-05 lockout and Stepan at the WC in 2011. He compared Stepan to Bergeron. That's one spot filled. Brassard said he really needed a change from Columbus. Hockey wasn't fun anymore in Columbus. Brassard made those comments on Monday. He has one more year on his contract and then he is a group II with arb rights. His QO is $3.7M. Cap number is $3.25M. He is an interesting player. Jeff Gorton did his work on him before the 06 draft. He played really well in the Caps series. He is still is 25. Stepan and Brassard are not big players. Bergeron and Krejci aren't big players either. None of the free agent centers are big players either. Miller could be that power center. Mike Richards/Ryan Kesler type. The latter learned at the NHL level. Kesler had some so-so years in the NHL before he exploded and became one of the top forwards in the league before the injuries hit him hard. He spent 1 full season in the AHL and that was during the second Bettman lockout. I go back and forth with Stepan's contract. He is 4 years away from group III. 5 years and $20M. Includes 1 group III year. The Rangers have ample room amnestying Bad Richards. Instead of giving Stepan 2 years at $5M and then giving him more than $4M in next contract,make it 5 years and he will probably outperform the contract. Look at Krejci's contract.

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only was healthy for 1 season out of the 3 he has played in the NHL. has concussion issues.... yea lets trade for that guy as talented as he is, his concussions scare me...... Rangers would need some type of insurance in the trade if possible. very talented player though. another non physical soft winger if the 5th overall comes with Skinner then id consider it but would need to think about it..
Skinner + 5th pick for Staal is fair ... HOWEVER I would rather deal him to the Ducks for Ryan.

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No undersized blueliners for me. Del Zotto is too small for my liking as it is. What is a guy like Murphy going to do hemmed in his own zone with a brutish forward putting a screen on Hank?

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No undersized blueliners for me. Del Zotto is too small for my liking as it is. What is a guy like Murphy going to do hemmed in his own zone with a brutish forward putting a screen on Hank?
Get in the shooting lanes like every other defensemen on the team would.

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Chicago drafted Kane and Toews. They signed Hossa to the free agent contract in 2009. Dale Tallon stole Sharp from Philly. Bolland was a draft pick. The Hawks don't have a true 2nd line center. Sharp and Kane have played there but they're wingers. Down the middle its Toews,Bolland,Shaw and Kruger. Handzus is also a center. Quenneville coached him in STL too. They had to gut the team after winning the Cup because of the cap. They used trades and player development to rebuild their depth. There is no reason why the Rangers can't do the same thing and stay away from free agency. Even if you look at Boston. Paille,Horton and Campbell came in trades. Horton and Campbell came in the same trade. Kelly and Peverley came in trades. Bergeron,Krejci,Marchand, Lucic and Seguin came from the draft. Seguin came from the Kessel trade. The other 4 players weren't first rounders. All of them are top players. Boston doesn't have the true #1 center. They won in 2011. There are many ways to build a team. Stepan and Brassard are good players. The Rangers have Miller,Lindberg and eventually Nieves to add at center. Build the team. They have Nash and Callahan. Hagelin. Kreider. Trade DZ for a forward. Give some of kids an opportunity. I would trade Boyle for a young bottom six player. Boyle had a good playoff. Move him. Stay away from the free agents.
Kershaw, take a look at the above....

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No undersized blueliners for me. Del Zotto is too small for my liking as it is. What is a guy like Murphy going to do hemmed in his own zone with a brutish forward putting a screen on Hank?
The same thing all undersized guys do, front their man and move the puck quickly

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Sami Vatanen. He's exactly what the blueline needs.

Blues Roman Polak is my backup.

Yotes RFA Mikkel Boedker is an interesting name.

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I wonder if other teams feel Staal will be as good as he was... or are the eye injury and concussion issues going to hurt?

Forget it, I know the answer.

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I wonder if other teams feel Staal will be as good as he was... or are the eye injury and concussion issues going to hurt?

Forget it, I know the answer.
Was just thinking this. Where is the trade value with Staal? Hes coming off a major eye injury that will likely never be 100% again.

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Look at Boston. Deep, 2-way centers down the middle, size on the wings. They put big guys who can punish the other team on the wings to keep their game simple and allow them to wreak havoc in the offensive zone. Lucic. Horton. Marchand (not big, but feisty). Campbell. Thornton.

The Rangers need depth down the middle. With Stepan and Brassard that's a good start. Boyle is a good 4th line center but he needs wingers who can create and who add speed. Prust and Fedotenko were exactly that.

The Rangers need to add size to their wings. Nash, Kreider, Callahan. That's a good start. Hagelin is a good player, he is, ideally, a 3rd line wing. Zuccarello? Where does he fit if that is the mold? Ideally, in this more aggressive system, he would be paired with a player like Boyle as his center who can wreak some havoc in the offensive zone. MZA is not a 4th liner.

Pyatt? Very soft, adds some size. Powe? No offense to speak of.

They need to add size and an ability to push teams back and keep them there. This system requires depth and the ability to keep rolling guys over the boards who can sustain a forecheck and control the puck in the offensive zone. The Rangers did that last year.
Boston pass the puck up ice.

(i) They go D to D. Look for a stretch pass, to someone not covered, up ice.

(ii) With 2 guys high up ice, they push the other team's Ds back and open up space in the neutralzone towards their own blueline, behind the forecheckers and infront of the D's of the other team, and in that area they have Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand who constantly are moving their feets and their D's are allowed to make small marginal passes to these guys who collect the puck and challenge the other team's Ds standing still at the attacking blueline (hence forcing them to not back down too far), and they

(iii) just send the puck up ice for a tip in and go after it.

We don't have (i) or (ii), only (iii). How can we compare with Boston??? They play a completely diffrent game than us. They can afford to carry slower wingers, because they do not -- solely -- rely on their forecheckers forcing turnovers as a source of offense. When we have slow players on the ice, we create nothing. We just skate around the ice chasing the puck. People are like all Boston's players are better than our players. A ton of players on our rosters would have pwned us had they played for Boston against us, I have no doubt of that whatsoever.

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Was just thinking this. Where is the trade value with Staal? Hes coming off a major eye injury that will likely never be 100% again.
Trade value has to be a notch below what it was before the injury. Concussion now eye problems, that can't get past even the worst of the GM lot.

Rather keep him and hope it improves than to take a low offer for him.

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Boston pass the puck up ice.

(i) They go D to D. Look for a stretch pass, to someone not covered, up ice.

(ii) With 2 guys high up ice, they push the other team's Ds back and open up space in the neutralzone towards their own blueline, behind the forecheckers and infront of the D's of the other team, and in that area they have Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand who constantly are moving their feets and their D's are allowed to make small marginal passes to these guys who collect the puck and challenge the other team's Ds standing still at the attacking blueline (hence forcing them to not back down too far), and they

(iii) just send the puck up ice for a tip in and go after it.

We don't have (i) or (ii), only (iii). How can we compare with Boston??? They play a completely diffrent game than us. They can afford to carry slower wingers, because they do not -- solely -- rely on their forecheckers forcing turnovers as a source of offense. When we have slow players on the ice, we create nothing. We just skate around the ice chasing the puck. People are like all Boston's players are better than our players. A ton of players on our rosters would have pwned us had they played for Boston against us, I have no doubt of that whatsoever.
Because I think that is the path the team is trying to follow. Not what they are now.

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Because I think that is the path the team is trying to follow. Not what they are now.
Traded all their depth for Nash, traded Gaborik to get it back.

I have no doubt this team wants to fashion itself after Boston - I just have zero faith they'll actually be able to do it with Glen Sather still calling the shots.

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How can you type up that short essay, look at the lineup, and think we have a good team?
Because, like, we would.

The top six at min holds its own with current top 6, this bottom 6 is better, and there is a lot more depth at D. Granted, much of the D is unproven, as is McKinnon. But except for Gernat, a 5th rounder, these are higher 1st or 2nd round picks. Swapping out MDZ for Siemens is like getting another Dougie Hamilton.

Plus we get younger and I've resolved most of the vet taking up too much cap problem.

In any event, we would be better off than what we have now.

And let me remind, that we have a tortured feeling because of Torts mishandling Kreider.

That crap won't happen in my above scenario, Kreider, and the rest of these guys, will get every chance to succeed, and the odds are likelier they will.

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bern uve got like 5 current rangers in that lineup.
ecemleafs, like how many Rangers from the current campaign distinguished themselves and deserve to be kept?

Then subtract from that number a couple of guys who have to be moved in order to make certain trades (gotta give to get). Also, Guys like McD, Stepan will cost more and more and more going forward. Ok, so will every other player. But unarguably, the first big installment on their bill is due now. Replacing them with McKinnon + Jones shifts all that to ELCs for us.

After both subtractions, you're in the ballpark of what I have.
Sad but true.

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Traded all their depth for Nash, traded Gaborik to get it back.

I have no doubt this team wants to fashion itself after Boston - I just have zero faith they'll actually be able to do it with Glen Sather still calling the shots.
I honestly see those moves as just replacing the depth and replacing Gaborik with Nash. Not a bad trade really IF this team wants to become like the Bruins. Nash fits that style much better than Gaborik.

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When you have bern criticizing proposals, you know something is wrong..lol
Love is given, respect is earned.
Many of you have chosen to show love to proposals trading Girardi now, instead of making the tactical move to sell Girardi when he was higher so we could get max for him.

The love is yours to give or not as you see fit.
Tell it like it is, let your conscience be your guide.

But it is about time some respect was acknowledged to me, for thinking outside the box, for proposals you guys dismiss as outlandish when in truth they are not as bad as made out to be and not as bad as some others made.

The example about MDZ + negligible for Yakupov is case in point.
Girardi + substantial + now could still work, but Edmonton overrates their top 4.

However, If a serious push was made to add w/Girardi to get that 1st overall, we could have had Yak and it would have cost a lot less than the substantial overpayment we would have to make now.

Of course, nobody wanted to jump on the move Girardi bandwagon THEN.

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But what is most troublesome is like some of you guys are married at the hip to some of our guys. It's beyond a mancrush.

I have nothing vs. Girardi, I salute his solid body of work.
But we need to convert actual valued assets for enough higher potential assets to come out ahead. That and good drafting, which takes time is all we can do.

Please guys, let's be fair and praising or critical on merit, which is fine.

But let's realize that I'm one of the few who really tries to get ahead of the curve. And not only is it an issue that you flame me for this, but you fail to come up with your own solutions to get ahead of the curve.

Getting ahead of the curve = reality. Deal with it. Better, embrace it, master it.

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