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05-29-2013, 07:41 PM
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More scapegoating of Pyatt. Nice.

He had a great playoffs. Keep him on the fourth line.
Yep. Bottom liners get nothing but a raw deal on this site. Guys like John Mitchell last year. Fedotentko, etc.

We missed that depth this season. Keep the extra forwards if we have em. We'll need em eventually.

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yea, but its also tiny sample size of 12 or so games too.

It would be a great 4th line, but leaves the problem of needing at least 2 new guys for the 3rd line.

Zucc/Hags is going to be an issue as well.

Hagelin is capable of playing anywhere in the top 3 lines, Zucc really is only a top 6 guy. But you put Zucc on the 2nd line with Brassard and you have a very undersized line with average skating. Any bigger physical team could cause a lot of trouble against that line.

Thats always going to be the issue with Zucc unless he really shows himself to be a top level player. If hes a borderline 2nd liner, the team will have trouble finding a spot to play him.

Really they need a 3rd line center and winger. Hagelin on the 3rd line could be an excellent fit, but he needs talent around him to capitalize on his forechecking
I would actually be fine with Zuccarello on the 3rd line. His linemates can make room for him, and while he's tiny, it takes guts to stare down Parros when you're 5'7" 180, or whatever MZA is now.

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Yep. Bottom liners get nothing but a raw deal on this site. Guys like John Mitchell last year. Fedotentko, etc.

We missed that depth this season. Keep the extra forwards if we have em. We'll need em eventually.
Pyatt was hated because he was placed in a 3rd line role this season until Clowe/Zuccarello arrived. He largely underperformed in that role besides the first 5 games of the year and the playoffs.

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I would actually be fine with Zuccarello on the 3rd line. His linemates can make room for him, and while he's tiny, it takes guts to stare down Parros when you're 5'7" 180, or whatever MZA is now.
Well either way, they need to find another winger.

A lot of where Zucc can play will depend on the new coach too.

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Pyatt was hated because he was placed in a 3rd line role this season until Clowe/Zuccarello arrived. He largely underperformed in that role besides the first 5 games of the year and the playoffs.
He's too slow to play the dumping game that Torts had. Too slow to forecheck properly. He's also soft and isn't that good of a PKer.

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05-29-2013, 07:49 PM
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this is the guy we need for our 4th line...Patrick Bordeleau.

If McIlrath is ready...then he wouldn't have to fight heavies the way Lucic doesn't fight heavies because Thornton does the lifting.

If Clowe is resigned...he to would not have to do the heavying lifting.

Bordeleau can play when other teams dress heavies and when they don't...insert Asham...keeps Asham fresh as well.

Some quotes from teammates:

"He's in a different weight class, and he keeps those big boys quiet on the other team," McLeod said. "It's just nice to have another physical presence like him on the ice. He's a huge part of our team."

Big-body Patrick Bordeleau has made his physical presence felt this season as he
leads the Avalanche in hits with 91 and is second on the club in penalty minutes
(62) and major penalties (6).

He has recorded eight hits in three different games this season, including last
Saturday in Phoenix. He is the first Avalanche player to ever have three games
with at least eight hits in a single season (since 2005-06).

The 6-foot-6, 225-pound forward has appeared in 36 of Colorado’s 38 games this
year, and while he has only two points, he has been a good puck carrier and has
made smart plays both offensively and defensively.

“He is a big presence out there,” Johnson said of Bordeleau. “You definitely
feel a little more comfortable when he is out on the ice. But not only can he do
that, but he can also play. I have played with a lot of tough guys in my
six-year career and he is probably the most skilled, by far.”

He should be a priority for the new coach and Sather.

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05-29-2013, 07:50 PM
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He's too slow to play the dumping game that Torts had. Too slow to forecheck properly. He's also soft and isn't that good of a PKer.
Dont need everyone to kill PKs..

Rangers desperately need guys who will play in front of the net that have some size.

Pyatt and Boyle are the only ones they have.

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05-29-2013, 07:53 PM
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I'd really like to see the new coach move away from a "responsible" 4th line and into something that has more sandpaper. I think Renney and Tortorella both wanted a 4th line that they could use in defensive situations, and with Stepan, Cally, and Hagelin all being solid defensive players in their own right, having a 4th line dedicated to defense seems excessive.

Pyatt/Boyle/Dorsett would be alright, and I liked the way they played in the playoffs, but I would shop Pyatt to Carolina to see if they'd straight-swap for McBain. I'd sacrifice some size in Pyatt to bring in someone with a little more intensity and edge.

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this is the guy we need for our 4th line...Patrick Bordeleau.

If McIlrath is ready...then he wouldn't have to fight heavies the way Lucic doesn't fight heavies because Thornton does the lifting.

If Clowe is resigned...he to would not have to do the heavying lifting.

Bordeleau can play when other teams dress heavies and when they don't...insert Asham...keeps Asham fresh as well.

Some quotes from teammates:

"He's in a different weight class, and he keeps those big boys quiet on the other team," McLeod said. "It's just nice to have another physical presence like him on the ice. He's a huge part of our team."

Big-body Patrick Bordeleau has made his physical presence felt this season as he
leads the Avalanche in hits with 91 and is second on the club in penalty minutes
(62) and major penalties (6).

He has recorded eight hits in three different games this season, including last
Saturday in Phoenix. He is the first Avalanche player to ever have three games
with at least eight hits in a single season (since 2005-06).

The 6-foot-6, 225-pound forward has appeared in 36 of Colorado’s 38 games this
year, and while he has only two points, he has been a good puck carrier and has
made smart plays both offensively and defensively.

“He is a big presence out there,” Johnson said of Bordeleau. “You definitely
feel a little more comfortable when he is out on the ice. But not only can he do
that, but he can also play. I have played with a lot of tough guys in my
six-year career and he is probably the most skilled, by far.”

He should be a priority for the new coach and Sather.
I want McLeod and Bordeleau. McLeod was getting PP time and had a few goals down the stretch. McLeod and Bordeleau for Pyatt and a 3rd.

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05-29-2013, 07:55 PM
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I'd really like to see the new coach move away from a "responsible" 4th line and into something that has more sandpaper. I think Renney and Tortorella both wanted a 4th line that they could use in defensive situations, and with Stepan, Cally, and Hagelin all being solid defensive players in their own right, having a 4th line dedicated to defense seems excessive.

Pyatt/Boyle/Dorsett would be alright, and I liked the way they played in the playoffs, but I would shop Pyatt to Carolina to see if they'd straight-swap for McBain. I'd sacrifice some size in Pyatt to bring in someone with a little more intensity and edge.
Haley is on a one-way deal next year, too. Could see him some more.

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I'd really like to see the new coach move away from a "responsible" 4th line and into something that has more sandpaper. I think Renney and Tortorella both wanted a 4th line that they could use in defensive situations, and with Stepan, Cally, and Hagelin all being solid defensive players in their own right, having a 4th line dedicated to defense seems excessive.

Pyatt/Boyle/Dorsett would be alright, and I liked the way they played in the playoffs, but I would shop Pyatt to Carolina to see if they'd straight-swap for McBain. I'd sacrifice some size in Pyatt to bring in someone with a little more intensity and edge.
I still want a way to bring in Ryan Reaves.

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Dont need everyone to kill PKs..

Rangers desperately need guys who will play in front of the net that have some size.

Pyatt and Boyle are the only ones they have.
Callahan is a monster down low and in front of the net, especially on the PP. He's 5'11" but plays like he's 6'4". Nash and Kreider are options to stick in front of the net too. Pyatt and Boyle are far from being the only options we have

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1st LINE LW ($?????) / Derek Stepan ($3.500m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.760m)
Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Arron Asham ($1.000m) / Darroll Powe ($1.067m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.500m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Depth Signing FA ($?????)
Steve Eminger ($1.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

trading del zotto for a 1st LW. we could afford pretty much anyone under the cap for the next season. if lindberg isnt ready i imagine we sign some average C or try miller at 3rd line C.

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Callahan is a monster down low and in front of the net, especially on the PP. He's 5'11" but plays like he's 6'4". Nash and Kreider are options to stick in front of the net too. Pyatt and Boyle are far from being the only options we have
Cally is, but he also can get muscled against bigger defenders. Nash and Kreider dont really play that type of game.

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Kreider is a better fit for the top-6 than Hagelin, though.
ideally he earns a top 6 spot. I am likely going to be surprised by a move made in the offseason because I dont see who goes.

does Richards still get dumped? If he doesnt can they fit the cap?

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Torts getting canned is only the beginning of a long off season of irrational moves.

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Torts getting canned is only the beginning of a long off season of irrational moves.
Explain how canning Torts is an irrational move. His system wasn't working with the team. It's easier to change the coach than to change 16-18 players for new players who fit the system.

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Torts lost the locker room. it was rational to let him go for that among other reasons

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I would actually be fine with Zuccarello on the 3rd line. His linemates can make room for him, and while he's tiny, it takes guts to stare down Parros when you're 5'7" 180, or whatever MZA is now.
If Zucc bulks up during the offseason and adds 6-10lbs(he can do 10, at best), he'll suddenly become a guy that can knock a guy over simply because his balancepoint is that much lower on the ice.

The only real issue that Zucc's height causes is he's prone to being outwrestled since his arms are shorter.

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I still like Bryan Bickell, he might get overpaid but big guy woith speed, grit, and some offensive skills

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I still like Bryan Bickell, he might get overpaid but big guy woith speed, grit, and some offensive skills
Perfect.

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The Rangers actually have a very solid 3rd and 4th line, if used correctly. Hagelin, Zucerello, Dorsett and Clowe are bottom 6 players. I don't care if you disagree. If we had a legit top 6 and these players on our bottom 6, we would be a force, a nightmare for teams to defend against us and score against us. We need to acquire a pure goal scorer, and no Gaborik does not fit this criteria, he's injure prone, losing his skill and speed, we need a guy who can snipe the corners and is fairly young and consistent. This is my scenario:
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My NYR Offseason:

Resign-
Carl Hagelin: 2 years 5.5m (2.75)
Derek Stepan: 4 years 16.8m (4.2)
Mats Zuccarello: 2 years 3.8 (1.9)
Ryan McDonagh: 3 years 14.1 (4.7)
Anton Stralman: 2 years 4.4m (2.2)
John Moore: 2 years 3.6m (1.8)

Freeagents-
Nathan Horton: 4 years 22 (5.5)
Stephen Weiss: 2 years 7.6 (3.8)
Ian White: 3 years 9.9 (3.3)

Trades:
Del Zotto + JT Miller + mid level prospect for Bobby Ryan and this years second round pick
Brian Boyle for a pick
Taylor Pyatt for a pick
----

Chris Kreider - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Nathan Horton - Derick Brassard - Bobby Ryan
Carl Hagelin - Stephen Weiss - Ryan Callahan
Dereck Dorsett - Oscar Lindberg - Mats Zuccarello

Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi
Marc Staal - Ian White
Anton Stralman - John Moore

Henrik Lundvist
Martin Biron

The salary cap is probably the problem with this. I may be in fantasy land right now but that look like a good team.

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Perfect.
only because the market sucks

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The Rangers actually have a very solid 3rd and 4th line, if used correctly. Hagelin, Zucerello, Dorsett and Clowe are bottom 6 players. I don't care if you disagree. If we had a legit top 6 and these players on our bottom 6, we would be a force, a nightmare for teams to defend against us and score against us. We need to acquire a pure goal scorer, and no Gaborik does not fit this criteria, he's injure prone, losing his skill and speed, we need a guy who can snipe the corners and is fairly young and consistent. This is my scenario:
3.3
My NYR Offseason:

Resign-
Carl Hagelin: 2 years 5.5m (2.75)
Derek Stepan: 4 years 16.8m (4.2)
Mats Zuccarello: 2 years 3.8 (1.9)
Ryan McDonagh: 3 years 14.1 (4.7)
Anton Stralman: 2 years 4.4m (2.2)
John Moore: 2 years 3.6m (1.8)

Freeagents-
Nathan Horton: 4 years 22 (5.5)
Stephen Weiss: 2 years 7.6 (3.8)
Ian White: 3 years 9.9 (3.3)

Trades:
Del Zotto + JT Miller + mid level prospect for Bobby Ryan and this years second round pick
Brian Boyle for a pick
Taylor Pyatt for a pick
----

Chris Kreider - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Nathan Horton - Derick Brassard - Bobby Ryan
Carl Hagelin - Stephen Weiss - Ryan Callahan
Dereck Dorsett - Oscar Lindberg - Mats Zuccarello

Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi
Marc Staal - Ian White
Anton Stralman - John Moore

Henrik Lundvist
Martin Biron

The salary cap is probably the problem with this. I may be in fantasy land right now but that look like a good team.
I would like this team.

Only problem could be is all 3 centers wouldn't be the biggest in terms of size.

I also assume Richards gets bought out, right?

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The Rangers actually have a very solid 3rd and 4th line, if used correctly. Hagelin, Zucerello, Dorsett and Clowe are bottom 6 players. I don't care if you disagree. If we had a legit top 6 and these players on our bottom 6, we would be a force, a nightmare for teams to defend against us and score against us. We need to acquire a pure goal scorer, and no Gaborik does not fit this criteria, he's injure prone, losing his skill and speed, we need a guy who can snipe the corners and is fairly young and consistent. This is my scenario:
3.3
My NYR Offseason:

Resign-
Carl Hagelin: 2 years 5.5m (2.75)
Derek Stepan: 4 years 16.8m (4.2)
Mats Zuccarello: 2 years 3.8 (1.9)
Ryan McDonagh: 3 years 14.1 (4.7)
Anton Stralman: 2 years 4.4m (2.2)
John Moore: 2 years 3.6m (1.8)

Freeagents-
Nathan Horton: 4 years 22 (5.5)
Stephen Weiss: 2 years 7.6 (3.8)
Ian White: 3 years 9.9 (3.3)

Trades:
Del Zotto + JT Miller + mid level prospect for Bobby Ryan and this years second round pick
Brian Boyle for a pick
Taylor Pyatt for a pick
----

Chris Kreider - Derek Stepan - Rick Nash
Nathan Horton - Derick Brassard - Bobby Ryan
Carl Hagelin - Stephen Weiss - Ryan Callahan
Dereck Dorsett - Oscar Lindberg - Mats Zuccarello

Ryan McDonagh - Dan Girardi
Marc Staal - Ian White
Anton Stralman - John Moore

Henrik Lundvist
Martin Biron

The salary cap is probably the problem with this. I may be in fantasy land right now but that look like a good team.
rather keep JT Miller.. Lindberg might need some time to adjust to the smaller rink in the AHL for some of the year.... rather deal Skjei than Miller... Weiss on the 3rd line.. epic fail. he is not a 3rd line center...

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