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05-29-2013, 05:45 PM
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I am really hoping that one of Hartman or Morrissey drops to our 1st rounder. Petan, McCoshen, Santini, Heatherington, De La Rose and Klimchuk would be incredible with the 34th and 36th.

I am really against Morin. If he was 2-3 inches smaller would he be getting all this attention? It's all for the size. Not worth it. Isnt't BPA IMO. People look at his size and say he can be the next Chara. What are the chances of that? No very high. Alright puck mover, not really mean and isnt better than McCoshen, Hagg, Santini or Heatherington. I would put him in the same category as Bowey, Theodore and Bigras.

i dont understand why Laplante should be a 3rd rounder. I havent seen him in the top 100 on any mocks. Is it just the Quebec factor?

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i dont understand why Laplante should be a 3rd rounder. I havent seen him in the top 100 on any mocks. Is it just the Quebec factor?
He's ranked #70 in the THN Draft Preview FWIW.

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I am really hoping that one of Hartman or Morrissey drops to our 1st rounder. Petan, McCoshen, Santini, Heatherington, De La Rose and Klimchuk would be incredible with the 34th and 36th.

I am really against Morin. If he was 2-3 inches smaller would he be getting all this attention? It's all for the size. Not worth it. Isnt't BPA IMO. People look at his size and say he can be the next Chara. What are the chances of that? No very high. Alright puck mover, not really mean and isnt better than McCoshen, Hagg, Santini or Heatherington. I would put him in the same category as Bowey, Theodore and Bigras.

i dont understand why Laplante should be a 3rd rounder. I havent seen him in the top 100 on any mocks. Is it just the Quebec factor?
I personnally don't see the Santini bandwagon for our first 2 picks. Geez, even Morin, who I don't exactly believe will be a key offensive player in the bigs has shown more offensively than Santini did. I do understand that it's all about projecting....but you need some kind of results already. I do love his skating and his defensive play though. So wouldn't be totally against this pick but I don't see how he's becoming on any list as of right now, he's a pretty unspectacular pick. The way we keep reading reports about him makes me believe you could find those types of guys a little later. Mind you, if he finds an offensive game, well that's a whole different ballgame.

Surely though, he fits the Timmins mold, that's for sure.

As far as Laplante is concerned, well we don't have a 4th or a 5th, so some players we probably would have taken there, we need to take earlier if we loved them that much. Note that he hasn't played that much, yet contributed a whole lot when he was there. So somehow, he might be under the radar for some....but shouldn't be for us.

And 50th amongst North American should make the top 100 on any mock.


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Of all the players that we could reasonably expect to be available at 24/25 or whom we could contemplate moving up for, Morin stands out. His play at the U18s was an eye opener. His combination of size, mobility and ice presence makes him a player that projects very well as an NHLer. I suspect that I am not the only one who believes in this player's immense potential. It would not surprise me that he goes in the first 15 picks. There are a lot of quality defencemen available in this draft, some overated (Nurse , Morrissey, Pulock, Zadorov and Hagg ) and some underrated ( Bowey and Heatherington). In my assessment, among available defenceman, Morin has the best potential after Jones and Ristolainen. As I previously posted, there are only two players that I would consider moving up for: Morin and Lazar. Both should go between 10 and 15 and could be obtained without paying a king's ransom. To select Morin, I would gladly give up our first along with one of our seconds and one of our thirds. Would that be enough to move up 6 or 8 spots? I don't know. Maybe, Morin will fall to us. We could get lucky. But then again, I have long since given up believing in the tooth fairy.
Thanks for your input. I'll watch the semi-final vs finland again tonight to get a better look at him. I saw his highlights from the U18, and you're right, he looked very impressive.

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I personnally don't see the Santini bandwagon for our first 3 picks. Geez, even Morin, who I don't exactly believe will be a key offensive player in the bigs has shown more offensively than Santini did. I do understand that it's all about projecting....but you need some kind of results already. I do love his skating and his defensive play though. So wouldn't be totally against this pick but I don't see how he's becoming on any list as of right now, he's a pretty unspectacular pick. The way we keep reading reports about him makes me believe you could find those types of guys a little later. Mind you, if he finds an offensive game, well that's a whole different ballgame.

Surely though, he fits the Timmins mold, that's for sure.

As far as Laplante is concerned, well we don't have a 4th or a 5th, so some players we probably would have taken there, we need to take earlier if we loved them that much. Note that he hasn't played that much, yet contributed a whole lot when he was there. So somehow, he might be under the radar for some....but shouldn't be for us.

And 50th amongst North American should make the top 100 on any mock.
Whitesnake, you seem to have a good grasp on players. Do you have a take on McCoshen? I've been asking around but I can't find anyone who does, anything would be greatly appreciated.

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I am really hoping that one of Hartman or Morrissey drops to our 1st rounder. Petan, McCoshen, Santini, Heatherington, De La Rose and Klimchuk would be incredible with the 34th and 36th.

I am really against Morin. If he was 2-3 inches smaller would he be getting all this attention? It's all for the size. Not worth it. Isnt't BPA IMO. People look at his size and say he can be the next Chara. What are the chances of that? No very high. Alright puck mover, not really mean and isnt better than McCoshen, Hagg, Santini or Heatherington. I would put him in the same category as Bowey, Theodore and Bigras.

i dont understand why Laplante should be a 3rd rounder. I havent seen him in the top 100 on any mocks. Is it just the Quebec factor?
Morin isn't just about size, he has a lot of tools comparable to smaller guys, obviously being 6'7" and mobile/skilled is a huge bonus that will probably get him drafted top 15. He's similar to Oleksiak but more offensive upside.

Laplante dropped after most had him top 100 in the off season because of August shoulder surgery.

He had a decent finish to the season, very strong playoffs and strong U18, so on most lists he jumped from 4th or 5th round to mid 2nd to mid 3rd.

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He's ranked #70 in the THN Draft Preview FWIW.
Mock drafts.

http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2013/

50th in North American skaters but for some reason ahead of guys like Thompson, Subban, Duclair, Geersten and Baptiste. Add in about 15 European and maybe 10 goalies and hes at about 80 so maybe I was exagerating. I still would't be overly excited with him as a pick.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospect...year=2013&pg=2

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He's ranked #70 in the THN Draft Preview FWIW.
Their magazine was out before the U18, his stock is up a fair bit from then.

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Do you have a take on McCoshen? I've been asking around but I can't find anyone who does, anything would be greatly appreciated.
The USHL is a league that is not on TV, the teams are usually based in smaller towns so NHL fans here at HF don't attend the games and it's almost impossible to find video clips on the web, which is why there's sort of a dearth of info on McCoshen.

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I personnally don't see the Santini bandwagon for our first 3 picks. Geez, even Morin, who I don't exactly believe will be a key offensive player in the bigs has shown more offensively than Santini did. I do understand that it's all about projecting....but you need some kind of results already. I do love his skating and his defensive play though. So wouldn't be totally against this pick but I don't see how he's becoming on any list as of right now, he's a pretty unspectacular pick. The way we keep reading reports about him makes me believe you could find those types of guys a little later. Mind you, if he finds an offensive game, well that's a whole different ballgame.

Surely though, he fits the Timmins mold, that's for sure.

As far as Laplante is concerned, well we don't have a 4th or a 5th, so some players we probably would have taken there, we need to take earlier if we loved them that much. Note that he hasn't played that much, yet contributed a whole lot when he was there. So somehow, he might be under the radar for some....but shouldn't be for us.

And 50th amongst North American should make the top 100 on any mock.
Santini will be an absolute beast defensively. At least i think so. Super solid and seems like a great leader. His offensive game will hopefully develop a bit.

McCoshen I am in love with for some reason.

I was exagerating with Laplante but he better be a late 3rd rounder. Doesnt seem to have very much potential. Less than a point per game, not big and doesnt play a very physical game. i would prefer other guys ranked around that range like Baptiste, Slepyshev, Fasching, Hayden and Sanford. Maybe its just me.

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Santini will be an absolute beast defensively. At least i think so. Super solid and seems like a great leader. His offensive game will hopefully develop a bit.

McCoshen I am in love with for some reason.

I was exagerating with Laplante but he better be a late 3rd rounder. Doesnt seem to have very much potential. Less than a point per game, not big and doesnt play a very physical game. i would prefer other guys ranked around that range like Baptiste, Slepyshev, Fasching, Hayden and Sanford. Maybe its just me.
Laplante has solid offensive potential...could be a 50 point 2nd liner. He's 6' and still filling out his frame, he does play a gritty/physical/in your face type game with high energy. I would compare him to Burrows of Vancouver in terms of size/skill/offensive potential.

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Morin isn't just about size, he has a lot of tools comparable to smaller guys, obviously being 6'7" and mobile/skilled is a huge bonus that will probably get him drafted top 15. He's similar to Oleksiak but more offensive upside.

Laplante dropped after most had him top 100 in the off season because of August shoulder surgery.

He had a decent finish to the season, very strong playoffs and strong U18, so on most lists he jumped from 4th or 5th round to mid 2nd to mid 3rd.
He will go extremely high just like oleksiak. But will he really be better than guys drafted after him? Will he really be better than Beaulieu, Klefbom, Jenner and Saad? Or did his size help him rise?

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Laplante has solid offensive potential...could be a 50 point 2nd liner. He's 6' and still filling out his frame, he does play a gritty/physical/in your face type game with high energy. I would compare him to Burrows of Vancouver in terms of size/skill/offensive potential.
I really doubt the offensive potential is 50 points. Some teams would be happy with their 1st high 2nds being 50 point players. Gauthier, Wennberg, Burakovsky... will probably be 50 point players and Laplante is in that group?

i agree on the "in your face" game but not overly physical. Maybe he can have a career year at 50 points but will probably be a 3rd liner if all goes well.

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Nice story from the combine blog on Price practicing with Eric Comrie and Tri-City during the lockout.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=18044

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I think one guy we don't talk about a lot is Brenden Kichton. Ready for the pros and drafted by the Isles but refused to sign and re-entering the draft. Pure offensive Dman with considerable upside. Gotta wonder who he would sign for and why? Chance for callup, quality of organization or location?

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I think one guy we don't talk about a lot is Brenden Kichton. Ready for the pros and drafted by the Isles but refused to sign and re-entering the draft. Pure offensive Dman with considerable upside. Gotta wonder who he would sign for and why? Chance for callup, quality of organization or location?
Why did he refuse to sign ?

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Whitesnake, you seem to have a good grasp on players. Do you have a take on McCoshen? I've been asking around but I can't find anyone who does, anything would be greatly appreciated.
Saw McCoshen 3 times this year through the net when he was playing in the USHL. I was really impressed. So poised and some great offensive sense. Might have been just those 3 times....but he was dominating the play on both ends. What he did at that age in that league was really great.

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You can't just ignore Morin's size. Of course his size is a plus.
Reach for one thing. Crease clearing. Guys that size don't usually run into too many people they can't move. The fact that he's mobile and is decent with the puck definitely makes him attractive.

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I think one guy we don't talk about a lot is Brenden Kichton. Ready for the pros and drafted by the Isles but refused to sign and re-entering the draft. Pure offensive Dman with considerable upside. Gotta wonder who he would sign for and why? Chance for callup, quality of organization or location?
Wouldn't he be a UFA on June 1st if he doesn't sign being an OA.

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Saw McCoshen 3 times this year through the net when he was playing in the USHL. I was really impressed. So poised and some great offensive sense. Might have been just those 3 times....but he was dominating the play on both ends. What he did at that age in that league was really great.
Thank you very much! Although I heard his name before, I only really took a look at him after reading about him in the THN Draft issue. They said he was a defensive D-man and that he had good size, but I found the stat sheet (34 points in 46 games) rather eye popping. Other reports suggested that his offensive game developed a lot more than expected this season. He finished at 44 points in 53 games, so if you say he seems poised with the puck, then I'm sold on this kid without having even seen him. I can't say for sure who I want Montreal to get with the first pick, but I would be very happy with McCoshen.

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Would anyone be mad at McCoshen being selected with our 1st ?

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Would anyone be mad at McCoshen being selected with our 1st ?
No. But if McCarron is our first pick there will be hell to pay

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Mckeen's top30 is out.

A few notes:

Morin at 10 is surprising to say the least. Poirier in the first too. They have Mantha, Erne, Shinkaruk, Gauthier and Ristolainen going by our pick, all guys I'd love to see us drafting. Erne, Shinkaruk and Risto belong in the top15 IMO. No Zykov? Et ben.

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I think one guy we don't talk about a lot is Brenden Kichton. Ready for the pros and drafted by the Isles but refused to sign and re-entering the draft. Pure offensive Dman with considerable upside. Gotta wonder who he would sign for and why? Chance for callup, quality of organization or location?
IIRC he has to go through the draft again. But I'm not 100% sure.

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