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05-29-2013, 09:49 PM
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http://mayorsmanor.com/2013/05/kings...cts-this-week/

Looks like Christopher Gibson won't get signed by the Kings. He'll re-enter the draft.

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I am really hoping that one of Hartman or Morrissey drops to our 1st rounder. Petan, McCoshen, Santini, Heatherington, De La Rose and Klimchuk would be incredible with the 34th and 36th.

I am really against Morin. If he was 2-3 inches smaller would he be getting all this attention? It's all for the size. Not worth it. Isnt't BPA IMO. People look at his size and say he can be the next Chara. What are the chances of that? No very high. Alright puck mover, not really mean and isnt better than McCoshen, Hagg, Santini or Heatherington. I would put him in the same category as Bowey, Theodore and Bigras.

i dont understand why Laplante should be a 3rd rounder. I havent seen him in the top 100 on any mocks. Is it just the Quebec factor?
Even 2 or 3 inches shorter, Morin would still be big. While one shouldn't overrate a player simply because of size, one shouldn't penalize a player for being tall. Morin is not the next Chara nor will he ever be. He plays a much more fluid game while Chara plays a more stationary and positional game. Simply because Morin is not and will not be the next Chara does not mean that he is not an intriguing prospect in his own right. At the recent U18 Championship he proved to be as mobile and defensively responsible as any defenceman on Team Canada. I watched him carefully fully expecting that the elite offensive players on the other teams would expose him on the big ice. It didn't happen. He had the lateral skating ability to block most offensive rushes, had the first step quickness and agility to close the ice when needed and had enough straight line speed to create and support offensive chances. The coaches on Team Canada obviously had a lot of trust in him and Morin played in most crucial situations, including the last minute of the Gold Medal game when Canada was protecting a one goal lead. While you may be 'against' Morin , this writer and, I suspect, the dozens of NHL scouts who were present at the U18s, are strongly 'for' a player who has the potential to be an impact player at the next level. If we are lucky enough to be in a position to draft Morin and don't, we're fools.

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Mckeen's top30 is out.

A few notes:

Morin at 10 is surprising to say the least. Poirier in the first too. They have Mantha, Erne, Shinkaruk, Gauthier and Ristolainen going by our pick, all guys I'd love to see us drafting. Erne, Shinkaruk and Risto belong in the top15 IMO. No Zykov? Et ben.

1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31
Yep no Zykov is weird..

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Even 2 or 3 inches shorter, Morin would still be big. While one shouldn't overrate a player simply because of size, one shouldn't penalize a player for being tall. Morin is not the next Chara nor will he ever be. He plays a much more fluid game while Chara plays a more stationary and positional game. Simply because Morin is not and will not be the next Chara does not mean that he is not an intriguing prospect in his own right. At the recent U18 Championship he proved to be as mobile and defensively responsible as any defenceman on Team Canada. I watched him carefully fully expecting that the elite offensive players on the other teams would expose him on the big ice. It didn't happen. He had the lateral skating ability to block most offensive rushes, had the first step quickness and agility to close the ice when needed and had enough straight line speed to create and support offensive chances. The coaches on Team Canada obviously had a lot of trust in him and Morin played in most crucial situations, including the last minute of the Gold Medal game when Canada was protecting a one goal lead. While you may be 'against' Morin , this writer and, I suspect, the dozens of NHL scouts who were present at the U18s, are strongly 'for' a player who has the potential to be an impact player at the next level. If we are lucky enough to be in a position to draft Morin and don't, we're fools.
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. He's not just a big guy playing a Hal Gill type game.

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No Zykov is indeed stupid....but I agree SO much with Vannelli in this 1st round. Way more than anybody who has Santini in front....

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No Zykov is indeed stupid....but I agree SO much with Vannelli in this 1st round. Way more than anybody who has Santini in front....
Zykov is a good prospect, but I can see his game not really translating into a top notch NHLer. His size and speed goes from big and good to average at the NHL level so it gets hard to blow around d-men to score. HE plays more of a NA skill game than a traditional European finesse style. Not a bad gamble late 1st or early 2nd but at 24/25 there will probably be better options.

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05-29-2013, 10:29 PM
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Mckeen's top30 is out.

A few notes:

Morin at 10 is surprising to say the least. Poirier in the first too. They have Mantha, Erne, Shinkaruk, Gauthier and Ristolainen going by our pick, all guys I'd love to see us drafting. Erne, Shinkaruk and Risto belong in the top15 IMO. No Zykov? Et ben.

1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31
Seeing talent like Ristolainen, Erne and especially Shinkaruk in the 20's is mouth watering.

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No Zykov is indeed stupid....but I agree SO much with Vannelli in this 1st round. Way more than anybody who has Santini in front....
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If the Habs pick Rychel and Poirier goes right after, the RDS crew is gonna have a field day

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Mckeen's top30 is out.

A few notes:

Morin at 10 is surprising to say the least. Poirier in the first too. They have Mantha, Erne, Shinkaruk, Gauthier and Ristolainen going by our pick, all guys I'd love to see us drafting. Erne, Shinkaruk and Risto belong in the top15 IMO. No Zykov? Et ben.

1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31

I like that list makes sense to me. What a year!

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Mckeen's top30 is out.

A few notes:

Morin at 10 is surprising to say the least. Poirier in the first too. They have Mantha, Erne, Shinkaruk, Gauthier and Ristolainen going by our pick, all guys I'd love to see us drafting. Erne, Shinkaruk and Risto belong in the top15 IMO. No Zykov? Et ben.

1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31
Apparently they were at the U18s also. I would not be surprised if Morin went 6th overall.

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If the Habs pick Rychel and Poirier goes right after, the RDS crew is gonna have a field day
If Montreal takes a non-skater like Rychel, we should all be sick.

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I would not love the Rychel pick myself. Could pay off later...as every pick could....but Rychel is not on my radar. That's for sure.

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hugh, so 25th it is

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Drafting 25th it is.

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No Zykov is indeed stupid....
I read this as:

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I read this as:

"No, Zykov is indeed stupid...."
Yep....not my best phrase structure....

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If McKeen's list was accurate and the draft went that way, 75% chance 1 of Hartman/Zykov/Klimchuk is available at 34.

I would imagine TB grabs a defenceman at 33 if they take a forward at 3.

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If McKeen's list was accurate and the draft went that way, 75% chance 1 of Hartman/Zykov/Klimchuk is available at 34.

I would imagine TB grabs a defenceman at 33 if they take a forward at 3.
That would be incredible....but I doubt it.

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I would not love the Rychel pick myself. Could pay off later...as every pick could....but Rychel is not on my radar. That's for sure.
Whitesnake have you put anyone in the do not draft column yet?

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Whitesnake have you put anyone in the do not draft column yet?
Yes....and you'll see it later. I'm so not ready....And people won't agree with me but then...won't be a first. I'm so not the reference here. Honestly, I'd put more emphasis on what Grant McCagg says, Montreal or guys like that. It is just my little opinion of a wannabe scout here...

But I will have my list ready probably just mid-June. Too complicated this year...too many great candidates. And frankly, not having a 4th and a 5th complicates things so much.....I don't want to be too off, so I don,t want to have candidates in the 6th and 7th that will for sure be gone. But I also don't want to put guys in the 3rd that doesn't deserve to be there....Will do my best, as always.

Besides, I won't have too many of Total ND, which means guys that I wouldn't pick if they'd be there in the 7th round. Most of my ND are based on where they are scheduled to go.

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Even 2 or 3 inches shorter, Morin would still be big. .
The whole point is that he is not 2 or 3 inches shorter: he's at least 6'6", so he finds himself in a position to push down on most forwards -hell, most players-, in the league, assuming that he has the speed and agility to get to them. That basic biomechanical advantage is fundamental. It means that most opposing players are at a disadvantage in a struggle based on strength. It also means that he is less vulnerable to a concussive facial trauma than a shorter player. Again, everything else being equal. The advantage that accrues from the height difference is not arbitrary, if indeed he has the pace to keep up with the play.

Rewind the play where Chara pushed Paccioretty into a stanchion, and invert the sizes: does Paccioretty get injured, if he is the taller player? To ask the question is to answer it, as we say in French.

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http://mayorsmanor.com/2013/05/kings...cts-this-week/

Looks like Christopher Gibson won't get signed by the Kings. He'll re-enter the draft.
WHAT !?! Why not ? I honestly would pick him up with our second second rounder. He could become a really solid goalie and trading chip down the line. Have to think he is gone before that however.

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Am I the only one who really really really isnt excited about Hartman ? I don't see anything special to his game. He seems like a solid two way player but in this draft you swing for the fences. He might pan out however you never know.

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