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05-29-2013, 02:12 PM
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Grigorenko,Forsberg,Faska were all thought to be top 10 picks....
Much like this draft, I hope an off the board/a team falls in love with a certain player pick happens and everyone gets pushed down one.

Make or break is ultimately Edmonton - Monhan and Lindholm go 5/6 so they either trade down from 7 to 12/13 for Horvart/Lazar or go Nurse there. Or just reach a bit for Horvat/Lazar out of fear of trading down and them not being there.

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I just get the feeling that there is going to be a run on forwards in the top-10 with only Jones a sure fire bet to get picked. That'll leave a bunch of highly rated defenseman 'falling' into the 10-15 spot. Philly at #11 seems desperate for defenseman so I expect them to take one, plus Phoenix, Winnipeg, and Columbus look like forward is a more pressing need. I can see the Isles potentially having at least one or two of the big d-men available when they pick at #15.

With all the talk of Santini, he could be the pick at #15 rather than Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pulock, etc.
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mock draft from bleacher report. they have us taking zykov. it seems like we are going to get a very good player at 16.




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First they say he isn't a slam dunk goal-scoring selection, but then they say he has a shot that could have him end on up on the first line. I take anything from BR with a grain of salt.

I've done research on Zykov. He's a big bodied Russian who you'd think was a good 'ole Canadian boy if it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey.

His first couple steps are slow, which isn't a red flag for a rookie, but his top speed is fine. From what the say, he is good along the boards and in the d zone and like they said, he possesses a good shot.

He came over to play for a small team in the QMJHL and has worked hard to learn English and French, so it seems like the Russian factor is non existant here. I would be ecstatic if he was the pick, but I have a feeling I'll be ecstatic with any pick on draft day. This draft is looking very deep.

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First they say he isn't a slam dunk goal-scoring selection, but then they say he has a shot that could have him end on up on the first line. I take anything from BR with a grain of salt.

I've done research on Zykov. He's a big bodied Russian who you'd think was a good 'ole Canadian boy if it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey.

His first couple steps are slow, which isn't a red flag for a rookie, but his top speed is fine. From what the say, he is good along the boards and in the d zone and like they said, he possesses a good shot.

He came over to play for a small team in the QMJHL and has worked hard to learn English and French, so it seems like the Russian factor is non existant here. I would be ecstatic if he was the pick, but I have a feeling I'll be ecstatic with any pick on draft day. This draft is looking very deep.
Isn't it weird drafting #15 rather than top-5 every year? So much scrutiny is placed on a select group of individuals when you're drafting high and now we have to be aware of so many names as possibilities. I'm still not entirely used to it, but hopefully this is how we'll be drafting for a long time from now on.

Lots of names, lots of fits, lots of drama as to how things play out. I figure it'll be even more interesting when we're drafting #30 overall next year.

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Traded James Wisniewski to Canadiens for 2011 second round pick (#50-Johan Sundstrom), 2012 conditional fifth round pick or 2013 fourth round pick (if 2012 fifth round pick is not available) (if Canadiens make 2011 playoffs and Wisniewski plays in at least 50% of Canadiens' playoff games)) (?-?) on 2010-12-28
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Isn't it weird drafting #15 rather than top-5 every year? So much scrutiny is placed on a select group of individuals when you're drafting high and now we have to be aware of so many names as possibilities. I'm still not entirely used to it, but hopefully this is how we'll be drafting for a long time from now on.

Lots of names, lots of fits, lots of drama as to how things play out. I figure it'll be even more interesting when we're drafting #30 overall next year.
It does have a different feel to it. I'll admit, I liked having an idea of who the Isles would be drafting because then I was able to do extensive research on that select group. This is totally different; one day I have my mind set on player "X", and then someone brings up a guy that I have never even heard of and all of the sudden player "Y" is my guy. But hey, I'll take Islanders hockey in May over everything.

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1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31

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Looks like McKeens is bucking the trend in some areas

Morin 10th is higher then normal and they seem to have Monahan(11), Ristolainen(21) and Shinkaruk(22) low.

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Looks like McKeens is bucking the trend in some areas

Morin 10th is higher then normal and they seem to have Monahan(11), Ristolainen(21) and Shinkaruk(22) low.
Morin is like McIlrath all over again if he is picked top 15....that's to high imo...

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question for all the draft gurus...

how would you rank this draft, as far as 'tiers' go?

e.g. McKinnon and Jones = 1st tier.

x guy, y guy, etc... = 2nd tier

z guy, a guy, etc... = 3rd tier

from my little research, it seems like a top 15-20 pick will be a very good one.

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question for all the draft gurus...

how would you rank this draft, as far as 'tiers' go?
I am no draft guru but going off various services it seems like this is the tiers

Tier 1: 1-5
Seth Jones
Nathan MacKinnon
Jonathan Drouin
Aleksander Barkov

Tier 2: 3-10
Valeri Nichushkin

Tier 3: 5-10
Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan

Tier 4: 5-15
Darnell Nurse
Rasmus Ristolainen
Hunter Shinkaruk
Nikita Zadorov

Teir 5: 7-20
Max Domi
Bo Horvat
Curtis Lazar

Tier 6: 10-25
Ryan Pulock
Alexander Wennberg
Frederik Gauthier


Then there probably is another run of 10-15 guys in the next tier(who potentially could be drafted as high as 11). It's also not out of the queston that somebody in a lower teir gets drafted ahead of somebody in a higher tier on my list(ie Nurse for instance might be drafted before Lindholm and Monohan)

Of the 17 guys though I listed I would expect them to be gone at the lastest 25 and I am willing to bet 16 of the 17 will probably be gone before 20


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question for all the draft gurus...

how would you rank this draft, as far as 'tiers' go?
Tier 1: Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Lindholm

Tier 2: Monahan, Nurse, Ristolainen, Zadarov

Tier 3: Shinkaruk, Domi, Horvat, Lazar, Pulock

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I am no draft guru but going off various services it seems like this is the tiers

Seth Jones
Nathan MacKinnon
Jonathan Drouin
Aleksander Barkov
Valeri Nichushkin

Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan

Darnell Nurse
Rasmus Ristolainen
Hunter Shinkaruk
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi
Bo Horvat
Curtis Lazar

Ryan Pulock
Alexander Wennberg
Frederik Gauthier


Then there probably is another run of 10-15 guys in the next tier(who potentially could be drafted as high as 11). It's also not out of the queston that somebody in a lower teir gets drafted ahead of somebody in a higher tier on my list(ie Nurse for instance might be drafted before Lindholm and Monohan)

Of the 17 guys though I listed I would expect them to be gone at the lastest 25 and I am willing to bet 16 of the 17 will probably be gone before 20
Great job, I agree with your tier rating 100%

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1 Seth Jones D 6-3/205 1994-10-03 Portland (WHL) 61-14-42-56
2 Nathan MacKinnon C 6-0/185 1995-09-01 Halifax (QMJHL) 44-32-43-75
3 Jonathan Drouin LW 5-10/185 1995-03-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 49-41-64-105
4 Elias Lindholm C 6-0/190 1994-12-02 Brynas (Swe) 48-11-19-30
5 Aleksander Barkov C 6-3/210 1995-09-02 Tappara (Fin) 53-21-27-48
6 Valeri Nichushkin RW 6-4/200 1995-03-04 Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) 18-4-2-6
7 Nikita Zadorov D 6-5/220 1995-04-15 London (OHL) 63-6-19-25
8 Darnell Nurse D 6-3/190 1995-02-04 Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 68-12-29-41
9 Max Domi C 5-9/195 1995-03-02 London (OHL) 64-39-48-87
10 Samuel Morin D 6-6/205 1995-07-12 Rimouski (QMJHL) 46-4-12-16
11 Sean Monahan C 6-2/190 1994-10-12 Ottawa (OHL) 58-31-47-78
12 Curtis Lazar C 6-0/190 1995-02-02 Edmonton (WHL) 72-38-23-61
13 Alexander Wennberg C 6-1/190 1994-09-22 Djurgardens (Swe 2) 46-14-18-32
14 Bo Horvat C 6-0/205 1995-04-05 London (OHL) 67-33-28-61
15 Ryan Pulock D 6-0/210 1994-10-06 Brandon (WHL) 61-14-31-45
16 Andre Burakowsky RW 6-1/180 1995-02-09 Malmo (Swe 2) 28-11-13-24
17 Mirco Mueller D 6-3/185 1995-03-21 Everett (WHL) 63-6-25-31
18 Josh Morrissey D 6-0/185 1995-03-28 Prince Albert (WHL) 70-15-32-47
19 Robert Hagg D 6-2/205 1995-02-08 MoDo (Swe Jr) 28-11-13-24
20 Adam Erne LW 6-0/210 1995-04-20 Quebec (QMJHL) 68-28-44-72
21 Rasmus Ristolainen D 6-3/205 1994-10-27 TPS Turku (Fin) 52-3-12-15
22 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 5-10/180 1994-10-13 Medicine Hat (WHL) 64-37-49-86
23 Frederik Gauthier C 6-4/215 1995-04-26 Rimouski (QMJHL) 62-22-38-60
24 Anthony Mantha RW 6-4/190 1994-09-16 Val d'Or (QMJHL) 67-50-39-89
25 Kerby Rychel LW 6-1/205 1994-10-07 Windsor (OHL) 68-40-47-87
26 Emile Poirier LW 6-1/185 1994-12-14 Gatineau (QMJHL) 65-32-38-70
27 Chris Bigras D 6-0/190 1995-02-22 Owen Sound (OHL) 68-8-30-38
28 Zachary Fucale G 6-1/180 1995-05-28 Halifax (QMJHL) 55-45-5-2.35
29 Ian McCoshen D 6-2/205 1995-08-05 Waterloo (USHL) 53-11-33-44
30 Tommy Vannelli D 6-2/170 1995-01-26 Minnetonka (USHS-MN) 25-8-23-31
Wow, so many guys rated 15 and later that I like. I'm gonna be pretty happy come draft day. Out of that list, I hope Shinkaruk falls to 15 and I hope we take him. That kid is a sniper, and is Pyatt-fast (you old timers would get that inside joke).


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After reading the following review, I could see Hagg being a target of NYI:

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft-b...ueline-cherry/

Robert Hagg (D, 2013), MODO – a methodical, two-way defenseman; skilled and highly cerebral .. approaches the game not unlike New Jersey pick Adam Larsson in that he is able to control the tempo and speed of the game through the quality of his decision making .. his skating doesn’t immediately impress – doesn’t overwhelm with speed or explosiveness, yet he rarely loses the foot races thanks to a smooth, comfortable stride .. his pace is more based on being calculating and swift in his movements .. what sets him apart is an uncanny hockey sense that features a knack for being able to sense and react to pressure .. easily shakes off initial checking pressure and finds his outlets .. a strong, accurate passer – can make a blinding-fast first pass from anywhere on the ice, while his point shot is an absolute rocket .. does not shy away from physical contact either, as he will push back – and backed by astute positional sense .. supports the puck exceptionally well in all zones .. knows how to utilize his athletic good-sized frame (6-2/195) to productively create space and separation .. there is still some immaturity in his game however that will iron out as he gains experience .. must be cognisant of going overboard as he is prone to taking emotional, undisciplined penalties .. can handle the pace of a game when it intensifies – an attribute which makes him attractive as a potential universal, top-four NHL defenseman.

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Yup, starring perhaps the best actor of his generation (Robert Duvall), not to derail the thread or anything.

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Good to read!
The Isles' blogger on Hockeybuzz wrote today that she called the Isles and was told that they do NOT have the MON 4th round pick, FWIW.

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After reading the following review, I could see Hagg being a target of NYI:

http://www.mckeenshockey.com/draft-b...ueline-cherry/

Robert Hagg (D, 2013), MODO – a methodical, two-way defenseman; skilled and highly cerebral .. approaches the game not unlike New Jersey pick Adam Larsson in that he is able to control the tempo and speed of the game through the quality of his decision making .. his skating doesn’t immediately impress – doesn’t overwhelm with speed or explosiveness, yet he rarely loses the foot races thanks to a smooth, comfortable stride .. his pace is more based on being calculating and swift in his movements .. what sets him apart is an uncanny hockey sense that features a knack for being able to sense and react to pressure .. easily shakes off initial checking pressure and finds his outlets .. a strong, accurate passer – can make a blinding-fast first pass from anywhere on the ice, while his point shot is an absolute rocket .. does not shy away from physical contact either, as he will push back – and backed by astute positional sense .. supports the puck exceptionally well in all zones .. knows how to utilize his athletic good-sized frame (6-2/195) to productively create space and separation .. there is still some immaturity in his game however that will iron out as he gains experience .. must be cognisant of going overboard as he is prone to taking emotional, undisciplined penalties .. can handle the pace of a game when it intensifies – an attribute which makes him attractive as a potential universal, top-four NHL defenseman.
I could see that: Hagg seems to be on the uptick. I could also see him being taken before 15th.

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I am no draft guru but going off various services it seems like this is the tiers

Seth Jones
Nathan MacKinnon
Jonathan Drouin
Aleksander Barkov
Valeri Nichushkin

Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan

Darnell Nurse
Rasmus Ristolainen
Hunter Shinkaruk
Nikita Zadorov
Max Domi
Bo Horvat
Curtis Lazar

Ryan Pulock
Alexander Wennberg
Frederik Gauthier


Then there probably is another run of 10-15 guys in the next tier(who potentially could be drafted as high as 11). It's also not out of the queston that somebody in a lower teir gets drafted ahead of somebody in a higher tier on my list(ie Nurse for instance might be drafted before Lindholm and Monohan)

Of the 17 guys though I listed I would expect them to be gone at the lastest 25 and I am willing to bet 16 of the 17 will probably be gone before 20
I would be happy with any of the first 14 players that you listed and agree that seems to be the top 14 in general. As we all know, any team drafting in the top 14 might have a different opinion on a player or two and hopefully, a Lazar, Domi, Risto etc. falls to us at 15. If not, I would be happy with any of Santini, Wenberg, Pulock or Mantha, though I wouldn't be surprised if Snow trades down a few spots for a second rounder and goes off board a little with the 1st round pick !!

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After reading the following review, I could see Hagg being a target of NYI
From a few mock drafts here and there, Hagg seems to go anywhere from 20-27. Maybe trade down to 22 (Calgary owns St. Louis' 1st here) and Calgary's 2nd for our 15th?

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The Isles' blogger on Hockeybuzz wrote today that she called the Isles and was told that they do NOT have the MON 4th round pick, FWIW.
Now I'm bummed out again.

Did they use that 5th from MON in last year's draft???

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I think any GM watching the playoffs is going to see the value of SIZE.

On a somewhat related note, I have a hunch that Domi might be a guy who drops on draft day.

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I could see that: Hagg seems to be on the uptick. I could also see him being taken before 15th.
I've seen a relatively good amount of Hagg this winter.

That he's been dropping to the 2nd round in some publications is very understandable. Hard to explain, but there's much about his skating style and overall game that give you the impression that he's not necessarily got much more upside.

That said, getting him anywhere outside of round one would be a very good pick.

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Now I'm bummed out again.

Did they use that 5th from MON in last year's draft???
Here's the relevant excerpt - not a source I usually rely on, and I didn't fact check this!:


"I reached out to Greg Picker of the New York Islanders to see if we had missed something.

[Picker] One of the conditions was that Montreal needed to make the Eastern Conference Finals in 2011. That condition was not met, so the Islanders DO NOT have Montreal's 4th-round pick in the upcoming draft.

So there you have it, only one pick in round four."

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Dee-K...7#.UaeGpKKG2Ck

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Would love to see the Islanders draft Domi if he is available at 15!!

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