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Tortorella Fired Pt II: "The Search"

View Poll Results: Who do you want as the next coach of the NYR?
Lindy Ruff 32 9.12%
Dave Tippett 56 15.95%
Dallas Eakins 84 23.93%
Guy Boucher 28 7.98%
Alain Vigneault 68 19.37%
Mark Messier 23 6.55%
Larry Robinson 6 1.71%
Glen Sather (you'll likely be banned, FYI) 11 3.13%
Other (specify in the thread) 19 5.41%
Ron Wilson 6 1.71%
Marc Crawford 7 1.99%
Scott Gordon 1 0.28%
Ted Nolan 10 2.85%
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05-30-2013, 10:55 AM
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I would be floored if we hired Pierre. Players do not respect him as-is. That would not change if he was hired in a real capacity.

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So tired of it, we really need to win an other cup so they can stop already. It's embarrassing that they won't let go something that happened almost 20 years ago.
One cup in 73 years.

That's why.


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What has Eakins done up until now? You said



What are you basing that statement on? From what I've read Eakins is a players coach. I think a first time NHL coach that is a players coach could be a bad fit. Why? Because it's very likely the first time coach hasn't learned the boundaries of being a coach yet. This isn't a market where you can learn on the fly. Not with a roster that can still be a contender. IF this was a younger rebuilding team I'd be all for trying someone like Eakins.
I'm basing that statement on many quotes I've heard and read. You can read some just by googling his name, read what his Marlies have said, as well as other credible analysts.

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05-30-2013, 10:57 AM
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I'm basing that statement on many quotes I;ve heard and read. You can read some just by googling his name, read what his Marlies have said, as well as other credible analysts.
Yep, Eakins is my guy.

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05-30-2013, 10:59 AM
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If the question is "What has Eakins done up until now?" then you might as well throw out any candidate that has never coached an NHL game.

I dont know much about his style of demeanor at all, but I know he'd be better than a lot of re-treads getting bandied about like Maurice or Crawford.

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I'm really not sure how to take what I just read in that sny blog post. Could be looked at in different ways, sounds like a bunch of rich kids crying about being held accountable, and one could also look at it as the "abused" spouse crying out for help. ... ??

I think Torts gets himself in trouble when he talks to the media like any one of us would following a noshow appearance of the Rangers... But honestly I agree with the meat and potatoes of what he's saying. . Lol

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I suppose on some level it's interesting to speculate about a time line, but it really does not matter. It's clear that at some point he lost the room. Once that happens, it's over. End of story. Turn the page.

I think whoever comes in next will be a lot less publicly demonstrative. More pat, cliched answers to questions. Which is fine. Stuff should stay in the room.

Players coach or whatever, it's all about team performance. Which of the coaches available out there is the best at getting players to elevate their performance?

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Pierre was only a head coach for one season in the NHL ever and it was in 1993-94 .

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I'm really not sure how to take what I just read in that sny blog post. Could be looked at in different ways, sounds like a bunch of rich kids crying about being held accountable, and one could also look at it as the "abused" spouse crying out for help. ... ??
I think it depends on which side of the argument you're on

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If the question is "What has Eakins done up until now?" then you might as well throw out any candidate that has never coached an NHL game.

I dont know much about his style of demeanor at all, but I know he'd be better than a lot of re-treads getting bandied about like Maurice or Crawford.
If Crawford were hired, I'd quit life.

That would be a disaster.

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I would be floored if we hired Pierre. Players do not respect him as-is. That would not change if he was hired in a real capacity.
If we hire him.....I mean that would be it. That would be not just be a huge step back, it would be falling off a cliff. Like the worst days of '04 and much worse still. I can't even believe people in this fan base would mention it, other than to troll.

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Hey, I'm not the one who said he never sniffed .500 outside of his time with the Yanks. That was you. 12 years of his career elsewhere is a decent sample size.

I omitted his time with the Mets for three reasons. 1) I was disputing the point that he never sniffed .500. He did in other situations. 2) Very, very few managers have much success in their first tenure. 3) Those Mets rosters were nearly as bad as the Mets roster today.
Now you are debating something I did not say. I never said he never sniffed .500. I said he had trouble sniffing it outside of the Yankees. Then you omit his tenure with the Mets.

Face facts. What would be the opinion of Torre's managerial skills if he wasn't giftwrapped one of the greatest teams money could buy?

You argue that Torre was good because he won with a great team but discount his record without great personnel.

Anyone can win when they have great personnel. No one can win without excellent personnel.

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Don't know why more people aren't pushing for Boucher. He's exactly what this team needs

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I'd be cool with Eakins, Boucher, or Tippett. No to the others being mentioned. Eakins has proven himself at the AHL level...he deserves a shot at coaching a team in the NHL. Yes, no NHL HC experience, but ya gotta start somewhere.

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One cup in 73 years.

That's why.




I'm basing that statement on many quotes I've heard and read. You can read some just by googling his name, read what his Marlies have said, as well as other credible analysts.
I've read what "others" have said. I still can't fine an instance where Eakins has faced a scenario where he had to scratch a player who was making a lot of money. Neither you or I know what Eakins would do in THAT scenario.

I've read he's a players coach. I've read he's a nice guy. I've read he knows how to handle himself in the media. After reading about Eakins I'm still not convinced he's the right guy for the job as coach of the Rangers. A first time NHL coach for a team that fancies itself a contender? I don't think that's the right move for the team at this time. IF the Rangers were rebuilding I'd be fine with Eakins but if he was coaching in any other market I doubt we would be hearing his name. If we are going to broaden the search to first time NHL coaches than lets bring in other people for an interview. Not just Eakins.

Nobody can say for sure if Eakins is the right guy for the job. Nobody can say he isn't. The thing is he's to much of a risk for this team. A risk that I believe the Rangers aren't willing to make. I could be wrong (I often am) but I think I'm right. What if Eakins is a flash in the pan guy. Remember how many people wanted John Paddock to replace Ron Low or Ryan McGill to take over for Renney when Renny was just interim coach. Where are Paddock and McGill today? Not Head Coaches in the NHL. Great AHL coaches are sometimes JUST that...great AHL coaches. The Rangers are close to a contender, have some cap space, have talent already on the roster, lets go for it not give somebody a shot to be a coach and hope that the online scouting reports are right....

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I'd be cool with Eakins, Boucher, or Tippett. No to the others being mentioned. Eakins has proven himself at the AHL level...he deserves a shot at coaching a team in the NHL. Yes, no NHL HC experience, but ya gotta start somewhere.
i don't think ranger brass is in the position to give someone "a shot". I think they want an experienced coach who has taken a team to a high level of play in his resume. My money is on Alain Vigneault

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I've read what "others" have said. I still can't fine an instance where Eakins has faced a scenario where he had to scratch a player who was making a lot of money. Neither you or I know what Eakins would do in THAT scenario.

I've read he's a players coach. I've read he's a nice guy. I've read he knows how to handle himself in the media. After reading about Eakins I'm still not convinced he's the right guy for the job as coach of the Rangers. A first time NHL coach for a team that fancies itself a contender? I don't think that's the right move for the team at this time. IF the Rangers were rebuilding I'd be fine with Eakins but if he was coaching in any other market I doubt we would be hearing his name. If we are going to broaden the search to first time NHL coaches than lets bring in other people for an interview. Not just Eakins.

Nobody can say for sure if Eakins is the right guy for the job. Nobody can say he isn't. The thing is he's to much of a risk for this team. A risk that I believe the Rangers aren't willing to make. I could be wrong (I often am) but I think I'm right. What if Eakins is a flash in the pan guy. Remember how many people wanted John Paddock to replace Ron Low or Ryan McGill to take over for Renney when Renny was just interim coach. Where are Paddock and McGill today? Not Head Coaches in the NHL. Great AHL coaches are sometimes JUST that...great AHL coaches. The Rangers are close to a contender, have some cap space, have talent already on the roster, lets go for it not give somebody a shot to be a coach and hope that the online scouting reports are right....
All you had to do was say 'maybe a novice coach is not the best route for this team'.

I totally understand that, cause that's a solid point. I also see alot of old coaches who have had a recent run of losing being bandied about as our next coach.

There is no 'its obvious this is the guy to hire' out there. Some have experience, some don't. The names that have experience are very underwhelming to me. I like coaches that trend upward, no matter how little experience they have. I never heard of Mike Babcock until he took the Ducks job then led them to a Stanley Cup final in his FIRST year as an NHL coach.

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On Boomer and Carton this morning Boomer said that a player told him back in January that Torts had lost the team. He called the player "spineless" and figured the player should have been looking at himself because he was underperforming. The discussion then turned to maybe the player was right. He then talked about Gaborik's tweet yesteday, making it seem that Gaborik wasn't the player who made the comment.

I personally like when players and coaches keep their dirty laundry in the lockerroom. Things should get worked out within the team. Torts burned bridges with his players in public. You reap what you sew.

I want my coach to keep his players accountable but he doesn't have to be an ass about it.

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Rangers are close to a contender, have some cap space, have talent already on the roster, lets go for it not give somebody a shot to be a coach and hope that the online scouting reports are right....
Agree with this, which is why I don't think he's even a "real" candidate. . The Rangers will go through the motions, but don't think Eakins is in the top 5 ...

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Are the Wings going to keep Babcock? I'd be hard pressed to think otherwise. But if they do not extend him, he would be my #1 target.

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If we hire him.....I mean that would be it. That would be not just be a huge step back, it would be falling off a cliff. Like the worst days of '04 and much worse still. I can't even believe people in this fan base would mention it, other than to troll.
pitts won a cup when he was an assistant there, and if you listen to the guy talk(it's hard, i know)-- he's extremely intelligent when it comes to hockey. he's creepy as hell, but the guy knows the game. we went from the "motivator" in torts and it wore down-- now we need a strategist to fix the system. i don't think guys would have a problem listening to him because he's such a smart dude...and seems like he'd respect the players... maybe not their personal space but who knows-- it'd either be excellent or awful.

i don't like the guy on a personal level and i think a lot of people would lose respect for us if we hired him, but he has the hockey IQ that i feel we need to go forward to build a system around lundqvist.

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Are the Wings going to keep Babcock? I'd be hard pressed to think otherwise. But if they do not extend him, he would be my #1 target.
I believe his contract runs through 2014-15.

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Are the Wings going to keep Babcock? I'd be hard pressed to think otherwise. But if they do not extend him, he would be my #1 target.
i think they will for another year.... they lost Lindstrom Holmstrom and Stuart. not easily replaceable players. if he gets fired i bet the other 29 teams will try to get him... i wouldnt mind Renney back who is an assistant with the Red Wings.

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“Yes, we do have to win it differently than in the NHL.

At this time of year (the playoff stretch run), if we’re protecting a one-goal lead and it’s a faceoff in our own zone, I’m sending out Mike Zigomanis (the best faceoff man in the organization), but if it’s game 19 or something like that, I’m sending a young centre out . . . we may lose the game and those points, but it’s about development here, and at the NHL its always about points.”


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Don't know why more people aren't pushing for Boucher. He's exactly what this team needs
Then we keep Sullivan. He can't coach defense.

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