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05-30-2013, 01:37 PM
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If the players really went to Sather and blamed the coach they all need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

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Well, this instantly turned into the new Coach/Management thread

The same war between the players and coaching continues!

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But when did he lose the locker room? They got off to a miserable start. Did he lose them during the lockout when he couldn't speak to his team or did he lose the room during the playoff run last year? This is ridiculous. If he had truly lost the team then they wouldn't have come back in the series against Washington.

If it's true that the players told Sather they couldn't play for him they're soft. They sound like the fans putting all the blame on one guy. Who the hell tunes out a coach that just brought you to a Conference Finals?

Mentally, I hope they don't turn into a team full of Ovechkins.
This is what worries me the most, and I really want to know what actually happened in that locker room. But I have a really hard time believing that Torts would not have been receptive had Richards, Cally, Girardi and Hank went up to him with these "concerns" that the players apparently had. He's always been stubborn, but he respected his players and their opinions. From all the stories, it sounds like our leaders in the locker room went whining to Sather to get what they want...which frankly makes me sick.

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He didn't say Gabby was the only player that needed to step up in the playoffs and he was right about it. If this group of players thinks they're going to win a cup they better step up their games. It was the same thing this year. Nash didn't step up. What's his excuse?
Gabby was the only one he mentioned by name, and he played the last 2 series with a torn labrum in his shoulder...do you really think that Gabby deserved to be singled out after playing through that injury?


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Is there a "best of" Torts video clip of his rants/funny moments?

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Is there a "best of" Torts video clip of his rants/funny moments?
The NY Post had one yetserday and so did TSN

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The NY Post had one yetserday and so did TSN
ANy link?

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If the players really went to Sather and blamed the coach they all need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
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This is what worries me the most, and I really want to know what actually happened in that locker room. But I have a really hard time believing that Torts would not have been receptive had Richards, Cally, Girardi and Hank went up to him with these "concerns" that the players apparently had. He's always been stubborn, but he respected his players and their opinions. From all the stories, it sounds like our leaders in the locker room went whining to Sather to get what they want...which frankly makes me sick.
Players that blocked shot after shot, year after year, getting in the way of laser pucks, some like Staal taking them off the head, are whiny little babies who didn't want to play such a tough style of play. Yeaaaaaah............

Good luck with that argument.......

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Players that blocked shot after shot, year after year, getting in the way of laser pucks, some like Staal taking them off the head, are whiny little babies who didn't want to play such a tough style of play. Yeaaaaaah............

Good luck with that argument.......
Everyone in the NHL blocks shots, nothing special there...yea the rangers did it more than most two seasons ago. But you're missing my point anyway, I'll be very disappointed if these guys went straight to Sather without going to their coach first and telling him how they felt. The same coach who got the best out of his players and helped them develop. The same coach who listened to their concerns at other points of the last few seasons.

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Gabby was the only one he mentioned by name, and he played the last 2 series with a torn labrum in his shoulder...do you really think that Gabby deserved to be singled out after playing through that injury?

I really don't think it's something I'd get all butthurt over. Gaborik didn't do anything in the playoffs the year before either. He has 13 points in 25 playoff games for the Rangers. Nash has 5 points in 12 games and Richards has 16 points in 30 games. The captain has a whopping 24 points in 59 games.

I guess Gaborik was just too emotionally scarred to backcheck this year.

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Everyone in the NHL blocks shots, nothing special there...yea the rangers did it more than most two seasons ago. But you're missing my point anyway, I'll be very disappointed if these guys went straight to Sather without going to their coach first and telling him how they felt. The same coach who got the best out of his players and helped them develop. The same coach who listened to their concerns at other points of the last few seasons.
I think the players have the right to say it's not working after trying to make it work for years.

Not like when Scott Gomez was here less than a year and wanted Renney gone. THAT was pure amateur hour.

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This is what worries me the most, and I really want to know what actually happened in that locker room. But I have a really hard time believing that Torts would not have been receptive had Richards, Cally, Girardi and Hank went up to him with these "concerns" that the players apparently had. He's always been stubborn, but he respected his players and their opinions. From all the stories, it sounds like our leaders in the locker room went whining to Sather to get what they want...which frankly makes me sick.
Since we don't know... I have to ask...

What makes you think Torts would be approachable from Richards, Cally, Girardi or Hank? What makes you think those players would walk up to him (again, I'm playing Devil's advocate here) and bring up "concerns"?

What makes you think he'd be "receptive" to what they think or feel?

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Well, nobody else has started one, so I'm going to. He deserves one.

He didn't take us to the promised land, but he took us further than we've gone since 1997. I was a senior in high school.

Last season didn't end with a Cup, but it was still very special, nonetheless. In fact, it was the highest I've felt from Rangers hockey since the spring of '94.

The way he was with the media, to me, was a breath of fresh air. In an era where people just utter the same boring, cliche BS, I loved every second of it.

Thank you, Torts, for all that you did here. Now go save some more pups
I fully understand and appreciate that the players have spoken and his reign had run it's course but Torts was the first and only legitimate coach hired by "the senile old fool" during his 13 year tenure here as GM. Torts in my eyes and estimation was the best coach we've had here in a minimum of 19 years(Keenan even though I had some major issues with him but he gets a mulligan for winning the cup!) and more realistically since Roger Neilson. On the plus side, he held the players accountable and introduced an era of hard work and responsibility and contrary to public opinion, there are more young players who thrived under his stewartship(Staal, Girardi, Stepan, McDonagh, Del Zotto, Hagelin) than not.
Like I stated, the players have spoken and so now it's up to the "senile old fool" aka "the teflon GM" to get off his ass and find a "better fit" to lead this team going forward and please, no stopgaps!!!(Ruff, AV, Maurice, etc)

I wish coach Torts all the best in finding another coaching gig and thanks for taking a middle of the road team and "overachieving" last year!

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I thought he was a good coach, not great, not perfect, but good and exactly what NYR needed when he came in. He seemed to really instill a solid work ethic in the guys after years of country club BS around the organization. Also, last year was the best year for Rangers hockey in a long, long time and it was in large part due to the system that Torts set up for that roster.

A lot of posters who had been saying "anyone but Torts" are about to get their wish next year. I think that the team can do much, much worse than they have the past two years, and if NYR makes a mistake on the new guy, we're all about to see just what thats like.

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If the players really went to Sather and blamed the coach they all need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Boy, do they ever. There is a "delusional sentiment" around here that this team has enough talent to contend with the elite teams for a cup when in reality, the Rangers aren't even remotely in the same stratosphere as ****sburgh, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Vancouver, etcetera.

It's really laughable when some posters classify our roster as "loaded!" Lol!!

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Since we don't know... I have to ask...

What makes you think Torts would be approachable from Richards, Cally, Girardi or Hank? What makes you think those players would walk up to him (again, I'm playing Devil's advocate here) and bring up "concerns"?

What makes you think he'd be "receptive" to what they think or feel?
The way he acts in front of the media is not the way he acts all the time.

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I thought he was a good coach, not great, not perfect, but good and exactly what NYR needed when he came in. He seemed to really instill a solid work ethic in the guys after years of country club BS around the organization. Also, last year was the best year for Rangers hockey in a long, long time and it was in large part due to the system that Torts set up for that roster.

A lot of posters who had been saying "anyone but Torts" are about to get their wish next year. I think that the team can do much, much worse than they have the past two years, and if NYR makes a mistake on the new guy, we're all about to see just what thats like.
The 'pro' Renney people said the same exact thing.

It's possible that a new coach will get to the exact same levels as the two before him, then who will you blame and say 'i was right!' to ?

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Since we don't know... I have to ask...

What makes you think Torts would be approachable from Richards, Cally, Girardi or Hank? What makes you think those players would walk up to him (again, I'm playing Devil's advocate here) and bring up "concerns"?

What makes you think he'd be "receptive" to what they think or feel?
Because he respected the hell out of this guys, and he made that clear to everyone. And I'm not saying that he necessarily would have been receptive, but I really hope the players did go to him first...(the way it's being portrayed in the media, it makes it seem like that didn't happen).

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The 'pro' Renney people said the same exact thing.

It's possible that a new coach will get to the exact same levels as the two before him, then who will you blame and say 'i was right!' to ?
Who am I blaming and saying I'm right to now?

Edit: Just for clarity, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. It's possible that a new coach will be worse, same or better. I'm saying that we're about to find out.


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Boy, do they ever. There is a "delusional sentiment" around here that this team has enough talent to contend with the elite teams for a cup when in reality, the Rangers aren't even remotely in the same stratosphere as ****sburgh, LA, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Vancouver, etcetera.

It's really laughable when some posters classify our roster as "loaded!" Lol!!
I was talking about this with my friend last night. I asked him what made the Rangers such a talented team and all he did was dance around the question. I kept asking who they were.

As far as offense goes this team has Nash and they have to pray that Stepan repeats. Other than that, there's nothing special about this team offensively. Callahan will get his goals but he does little to create offense for his teammates.

And people wonder why this team is league average in scoring?

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Who am I blaming and saying I'm right to now?
Your rant totally insinuates the worst case scenario to the 'anyone but Torts' crowd.

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Your rant totally insinuates the worst case scenario to the 'anyone but Torts' crowd.
That two sentence "rant?" I'm saying that there are in fact worse coaches in the world than Torts and that it's not impossible that NYR's inept management ends up hiring one of them. I still don't see how that's putting blame on anyone or suggesting that I was right about something. I'm sorry if the idea that Torts isn't the absolute worst coach in the entire world hurts anybody's feelings.

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The way he acts in front of the media is not the way he acts all the time.
While I have no doubt this is true... That doesn't make him receptive to being criticized by his own players.

Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate here... I don't know... you don't know... writer's don't even know.

Did Hank have lots of chats with him on how to bolster the offense? On how to play defense in their zone? Did Torts say "Thanks Hank... we'll work on it"?

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That two sentence "rant?" I'm saying that there are in fact worse coaches in the world than Torts and that it's not impossible that NYR's inept management ends up hiring one of them. I still don't see how that's putting blame on anyone or suggesting that I was right about something. I'm sorry if the idea that Torts isn't the absolute worst coach in the entire world hurts anybody's feelings.
Read what you wrote, it's a doomsday scenario directed at people who wanted torts gone.

Either way, you're upset that he was canned and have now warned the 'anyone but torts' peeps that the next coach could be much much worse.

Ok, we'll see, thanks for the warning

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That 2011-12 team was my favorite to watch. What a great team and everything that happened last year. 24/7, Winter Classic, Richards in Phoenix .01, Richards/Staal Washington, Kreider emergence, Gaborik 41 goals, Hank Vezina.

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