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05-30-2013, 05:05 PM
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Ryan Callahan as 'coach' = respected team leader.
Have any 2 complementary guys handle the x's + o's.
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That entire thing was so weird. Boucher was talked up as the big, young new coach and then they just canned him so quickly even though he had a hilariously bad defense.

Yzerman is not a very good GM.
Boucher's stock fell fast, but so did Yzerman's. He looked like a genius in the first season with the quick turnaround but the honeymoon is over in Tampa right now. Though he nabbed a good replacement for Boucher in Jon Cooper from all the things I've heard about him.

Rangers can't score, Tampa can't defend. It takes more than a coaching change to fix major flaws. A team needs a plan and it needs patience. The sad thing for Rangers fans is that we've seen nothing from ownership to give us any reason to believe that Sather will ever be held accountable for the team's playoff failures.

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I thought the McDonagh situation was supposed to be some sort of example of how Torts lost the locker room and the players were doing whatever they wanted to. That's how it was presented.

Some of us, the minority, actually liked seeing Torts hold players accountable. Some of us know that this team isn't as talented as advertised and know that mistake-free, defense first, shot blocking hockey is basically the best way to maximize the roster.
Who said I had a problem with him holding players accountable? You're twisting my words. He lost the team sure, a few guys made plays he didn't like, ok. But overall it was still his system and his team even if the players didn't like it.

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05-30-2013, 05:08 PM
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I thought the McDonagh situation was supposed to be some sort of example of how Torts lost the locker room and the players were doing whatever they wanted to. That's how it was presented.

Some of us, the minority, actually liked seeing Torts hold players accountable. Some of us know that this team isn't as talented as advertised and know that mistake-free, defense first, shot blocking hockey is basically the best way to maximize the roster.
You misunderstood it completely. The point of the McDonagh situation was to illustrate how accountability can be taken way too far.

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Haha nah, just a big fan of his. But does anyone know his coaching style? Don't follow SEL as closely as I'd like to.
Playing NHL faceoff 97 for the PS1 I found him and Robert Kron. My friend and I thought the names Ulf and Kron were matches made in heaven and we became the most punishing and nasty tandem in video game hockey history. We sort of ran with it and created these absolute savage Nordic personalities for them where they have very low intelligence and constantly scream out their own names. in reality it was my friend and I sitting and yelling "UUUULLLLF!" "KROOOOOON!" "I'LL ******* KILL EM!" while trying to injure everyone including our own teammates. Somehow that inside joke carried to this much larger group of friends and people I knew around college. One of the funniest things I've ever created and it started with pure idiocy based on these barbaric sounding names. So naturally I looked up a lot of stuff on Ulf and find it nothing short of hysterical whenever I see him get mentions. To later find videos of him getting suckered by Domi and nearly killing Gretzky's wife was icing on the cake. We routinely would assault gretzky and messier even though they were our teammates in the game. Whenever the puck reached a player their name would appear and we'd shout their name usually with the Nordic barbarian voice and some purposely incorrect pronunciation like Mess ee ey was Mess ee er. Chelios was an exception to this rule. We'd drop the Nordic voice and in a very happy tone exclaim "Cheerios!" So the puck reaches Chelios we both go "Cheerios!" and then I blindside him immediately with Ulf and a little dialouge box pops up that says "Out for season" To this day we'll go "Cheerios!...Out for season."

I was so enthusiastic about posting this but I feel shame and apologize because it is soooo OT


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Who said I had a problem with him holding players accountable? You're twisting my words. He lost the team sure, a few guys made plays he didn't like, ok. But overall it was still his system and his team even if the players didn't like it.
You had a problem with him benching players. That's his way of holding players accountable. You **** up, you sit.

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You had a problem with him benching players. That's his way of holding players accountable. You **** up, you sit.
Please point out where I said I had a problem with him benching players.

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Except the McDonagh situation was an exception not the rule. They still played Torts system and he still sat them if they made mistakes.

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You misunderstood it completely. The point of the McDonagh situation was to illustrate how accountability can be taken way too far.
The point of that point was stupid. "John Tortorella never played hockey therefore he shouldn't tell McDonagh how to play on the blueline". Someone's been reading Sportsnet.

He tries to limit mistakes. Mistake free hockey is the only hockey that ever got this team anywhere.

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Please point out where I said I had a problem with him benching players.
My mistake. I assumed that's what you meant. Don't really know why you quoted me then.

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The point of that point was stupid. "John Tortorella never played hockey therefore he shouldn't tell McDonagh how to play on the blueline". Someone's been reading Sportsnet.

He tries to limit mistakes. Mistake free hockey is the only hockey that ever got this team anywhere.
You can try to prevent mistakes without making players AFRAID to make mistakes.

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You can try to prevent mistakes without making players AFRAID to make mistakes.
His way works. I'm afraid of car accidents so I don't drive like an idiot. I work hard because I'm afraid of failure, etc.

The players can make all the mistakes they wan't in college and the minors but when they're here, they're here to play well. Sloppy hockey teams that make mistakes don't make the playoffs.

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The point of that point was stupid. "John Tortorella never played hockey therefore he shouldn't tell McDonagh how to play on the blueline". Someone's been reading Sportsnet.

He tries to limit mistakes. Mistake free hockey is the only hockey that ever got this team anywhere.
I don't agree with the never-played-hockey part of it, I'll grant you that. It shouldn't come into the conversation. But I'm not a big fan of coaches who don't let players natural instincts and talents shine through. Holding guys accountable to the system is one thing. Changing the very attributes that make them NHL players is another. Playing mistake free hockey shouldn't rely on stifling a player's creativity. That's not good coaching.

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My mistake. I assumed that's what you meant. Don't really know why you quoted me then.
Well you had quoted me and said that some of us, the minority, liked him holding players accountable. I was trying to tell you that I didn't have a problem with it lol. Which I thought you had assumed. Whatever getting off track here. Hugs.

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My mistake. I assumed that's what you meant. Don't really know why you quoted me then.
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You can try to prevent mistakes without making players AFRAID to make mistakes.
Yes, there is no way to be creative offensively without risking mistakes. It also ****s with rookies. How can they learn without getting a chance to fix mistakes?

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Anyone mention Tony Granato as a candidate? Have to wait until the Penguins season is over, I guess. I don't know how I feel about Ruff. I don't think he's really accomplished all that much given the amount of years that he's coached and is similar ("fiery") to the guy we just let go. I'm not impressed with AV at all, either.

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Playing NHL faceoff 97 for the PS1 I found him and Robert Kron. My friend and I thought the names Ulf and Kron were matches made in heaven and we became the most punishing and nasty tandem in video game hockey history. We sort of ran with it and created these absolute savage Nordic personalities for them where they have very low intelligence and constantly scream out their own names. in reality it was my friend and I sitting and yelling "UUUULLLLF!" "KROOOOOON!" "I'LL ******* KILL EM!" while trying to injure everyone including our own teammates. Somehow that inside joke carried to this much larger group of friends and people I knew around college. One of the funniest things I've ever created and it started with pure idiocy based on these barbaric sounding names. So naturally I looked up a lot of stuff on Ulf and find it nothing short of hysterical whenever I see him get mentions. To later find videos of him getting suckered by Domi and nearly killing Gretzky's wife was icing on the cake. We routinely would assault gretzky and messier even though they were our teammates in the game. Whenever the puck reached a player their name would appear and we'd shout their name usually with the Nordic barbarian voice and some purposely incorrect pronunciation like Mess ee ey was Mess ee er. Chelios was an exception to this rule. We'd drop the Nordic voice and in a very happy tone exclaim "Cheerios!" So the puck reaches Chelios we both go "Cheerios!" and then I blindside him immediately with Ulf and a little dialouge box pops up that says "Out for season" To this day we'll go "Cheerios!...Out for season."

I was so enthusiastic about posting this but I feel shame and apologize because it is soooo OT
That's literally my story with him. My buddies and I played the NHL games for sega /64. I see your appreciation and I raise you one.... I have an ulf jersey and wear it to the garden regularly for games.

Yes very OT. But let's be real, great men like ulf deserve their own threads.

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Rangers have a very mobile defense corp. Specifically McDonagh, Moore, and Stralman. Staal isn't immobile either. There's no excuse for not having these guys either join or start the attack on a more consistent basis.

Stop collapsing on our own net, attack the points. Improve the transition. Move the puck, be creative.

While the roster may not currently possess the offensive competence of, say the Penguins, there is no excuse for such mediocrity in regards to offensive production. There is enough skill currently on the roster to produce enough to give the defense and Henrik enough cushion to shut the door on the opposition most nights. Keep the foot on the accelerator.

This is why Tortorella had to go. A new perspective. New philosophy. New voice. New way.

I really like Boucher. I want a young, smart, hungry coach. Someone that doesn't have to fake it. Someone who will earn everyone's respect because of the job he does. Plain and simple. No baggage. No gimmicks.

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Yes, there is no way to be creative offensively without risking mistakes. It also ****s with rookies. How can they learn without getting a chance to fix mistakes?
In fairness to Torts, MDZ was ******* mess his rookie season. IMO his mistakes ultimately kept the Rangers out of the playoffs that year. Torts worked with him and he improved significantly in his own end. It's not like his methods don't work.

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Anyone mention Tony Granato as a candidate? Have to wait until the Penguins season is over, I guess. I don't know how I feel about Ruff. I don't think he's really accomplished all that much given the amount of years that he's coached and is similar ("fiery") to the guy we just let go. I'm not impressed with AV at all, either.
Granato's name has come up.

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Rangers have a very mobile defense corp. Specifically McDonagh, Moore, and Stralman. Staal isn't immobile either. There's no excuse for not having these guys either join or start the attack on a more consistent basis.

Stop collapsing on our own net, attack the points. Improve the transition. Move the puck, be creative.

While the roster may not currently possess the offensive competence of, say the Penguins, there is no excuse for such mediocrity in regards to offensive production. There is enough skill currently on the roster to produce enough to give the defense and Henrik enough cushion to shut the door on the opposition most nights. Keep the foot on the accelerator.

This is why Tortorella had to go. A new perspective. New philosophy. New voice. New way.

I really like Boucher. I want a young, smart, hungry coach. Someone that doesn't have to fake it. Someone who will earn everyone's respect because of the job he does. Plain and simple. No baggage. No gimmicks.
He had defenders on the forecheck all series against Boston. That's why the Rangers only had one guy back on defense so often.

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because the Bolts sucked his last 2 years...but to me that was way more a function of the quality of goaltending and defense than his system or him in general. guy has won at every level hes ever coached at, and made it within 1 goal of the SCF.

just would be interesting to see how his system would work with our players...not sure any other coach out there has a very unique/dynamic type of system like Boucher does.
I am really sceptical. The Islanders made the PO's, Tampa did not. How much did Boucher's roster suck?

And its not even about that for me. I've just never been impressed with how Tampa played under him.

I am not convinced either way, but I am sceptical..

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Why? Why do I continue to see requests for him? Why do we want another trap/defensive coach?
Really?

In three seasons before Boucher took over the Lightning they ranked 16th, 25th and 23rd in goals scored in the 09-10 season, the year before Boucher started.

In the three seasons Boucher coached the Lightning they were top 10 in goals scored every season. They were 3rd in the league in goals scored this season behind Pittsburgh and Chicago.

The year he coached the Hamilton Bulldogs only two teams in the AHL scored more goals than Boucher's team.

If his teams are generating that amount of goals in a "trap/defensive" system than Boucher must really be an offensive mastermind.

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