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05-30-2013, 11:35 PM
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True.

But look at it for a moment and picture Therrien not mind ****ing Ryder and leaving him with Pleks and Gionta for the rest of the season and the playoffs and how his point production would have helped this team.

Ryder is who he is. Put in the right position, he will do nothing but score goals.

But as you said, on to the next team to score his 30+ goals.
So you're saying we should have let Ryder continue floating and doing nothing for 15 games in hopes that he'd produce? What a great message to send to the Gallys. Don't work your ass off and you get top minutes.

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05-30-2013, 11:42 PM
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Funny how the criticisms of Ryder being one-dimensional apply directly to DD who basically has everything going against him skill-wise except his hockey IQ and passing... except he was recently signed for 4 more years.

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05-30-2013, 11:44 PM
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So you're saying we should have let Ryder continue floating and doing nothing for 15 games in hopes that he'd produce? What a great message to send to the Gallys. Don't work your ass off and you get top minutes.
I am not saying that. You are.

Did you not see the production that Ryder was giving the Habs before Bourque came back? Ryder was working hard and he stepped up his defensive game tremendously. He was no Eller but he was doing his job.

Would you have taken Ryder........our leading goal scorer who was pouring in the points consistently..........off of the top line and replace him with Bourque? Yes or No?

Simple question that should be easy to answer since we both know the outcome of points production from Ryder, Plekanec, Gionta and Bourque after Therrien moved Ryder.

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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.

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05-31-2013, 05:55 AM
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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
Unfortunately people don't seem to see that...

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05-31-2013, 06:35 AM
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Funny how the criticisms of Ryder being one-dimensional apply directly to DD who basically has everything going against him skill-wise except his hockey IQ and passing... except he was recently signed for 4 more years.
You mad bro?
Suppose it's the case...

What would you do to protest this terrible move by the Habs?

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05-31-2013, 07:49 AM
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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
The problem is, when you are one dimensional at one thing and don;t do that you lose all value to the team. Plus goal scorers get big money on the UFA market, more than we want to invest in Ryder(in cap hit and years).

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Funny how the criticisms of Ryder being one-dimensional apply directly to DD who basically has everything going against him skill-wise except his hockey IQ and passing... except he was recently signed for 4 more years.
First one is 33 the other is 26.

Second I doubt Ryder has any interest in signing for 2-3 years at 3.5 mil.

Third Desharnais plays center, a spot where we don't have somebody ready to step in like Gallagher replacing Ryder on RW. When Galchenyuk is ready for a #2 center type role DD will either change positions or teams IMHO.

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05-31-2013, 10:00 AM
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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
Yes he does...and we need to score goals...maybe MB knows the price tag is going to be too high??
Maybe they are planning on throwing 4-5M at someone who can 20-25 and has some size? ( Clowe )

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05-31-2013, 10:29 AM
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Yes he does...and we need to score goals...maybe MB knows the price tag is going to be too high??
Maybe they are planning on throwing 4-5M at someone who can 20-25 and has some size? ( Clowe )
He has 2 Goals all year. 2! Armstrong had 2. CLowe is oft injured now and his production has plummeted drastically. ANything over 2.5 million for Clowe is an over payment

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05-31-2013, 10:53 AM
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Funny how the criticisms of Ryder being one-dimensional apply directly to DD who basically has everything going against him skill-wise except his hockey IQ and passing... except he was recently signed for 4 more years.
Just the fact that DD is in the NHL despite his size shows that he has twice the character and effort level that Ryder ever had.

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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
That sure helped us a lot in the playoffs now did it? I'd take players like Gallagher, even though he doesn't have half the goal scoring talent Ryder has, instead of a soft perimeter goal scorer who disappear when the going gets tough.

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He has 2 Goals all year. 2! Armstrong had 2. CLowe is oft injured now and his production has plummeted drastically. ANything over 2.5 million for Clowe is an over payment
I would take Clowe on a short term deal(1-2 years at 3.75-4mil) or low cap hit(2.75-3.5 mil) over longer years(3-4 years) but not both as in a 4 year 16-18 mil deal.

I would take him as a cheaper alternative to Clarkson if the price is reasonable.

I'd rather get Torres at 2 mil/year for 2-3 years before paying Clarkson or Clowe over 4 mil on a 4-5 year deal.

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05-31-2013, 12:39 PM
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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
Agree completely. The only argument against re-signing him is too much money + too much time. I can only guess his agent priced Ryder out of the picture and MB didn't want to be dragged down by a big, four-year contract. Bottom line however is that losing 30 goals hurts.

But if we can get Clarkson, my pain would be softened. Clowe? He's become a chronic injury problem. Way too risky.

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05-31-2013, 12:43 PM
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Just the fact that DD is in the NHL despite his size shows that he has twice the character and effort level that Ryder ever had.

That sure helped us a lot in the playoffs now did it? I'd take players like Gallagher, even though he doesn't have half the goal scoring talent Ryder has, instead of a soft perimeter goal scorer who disappear when the going gets tough.
I think too many of us are putting wayyyy too much emphasis on five very short playoff games. Ryder did nothing, neither did Desharnais for that matter. But both players are more valuable than those games show.

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05-31-2013, 12:51 PM
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Bergevin had more in mind than a bump in offense when he traded for Ryder: He got rid of an onerous contract and received a draft choice in the bargain. It's often posted here that the Habs should get bigger and stronger but it's also time to get younger at several positions if they're to become serious contenders.

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05-31-2013, 07:33 PM
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Ryder's money is already spent (on DD). lol.
LOL indeed

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This wouldn t be coming out if MB didn t have a plan where we can add scoring.

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Lets bring in Kovalev to replace him.

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05-31-2013, 08:09 PM
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Lets bring in Oleg Petrov to replace him.
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Bergevin had more in mind than a bump in offense when he traded for Ryder: He got rid of an onerous contract and received a draft choice in the bargain. It's often posted here that the Habs should get bigger and stronger but it's also time to get younger at several positions if they're to become serious contenders.
This is how I feel.

Seems that Ryder performance for the first 20 games made him reconsider but as time has gone, performance declined and plummeted in PO.

I don't know about you guys but when I saw the trade and I looked at the SCap, it was a given that Ryder was going to stay only one year.

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Either one will do. I would also like to see maybe Matthieu Darche or Benoit Pouliot.

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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
What happens when Ryder isn't scoring ?

Hell, what happens when Ryder scores ? It's great to score goals, but you also have to help keep the puck out of the net.

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Either one will do. I would also like to see maybe Matthieu Darche or Benoit Pouliot.
A little Niklas Sundstrom or Sergei Samsonov wouldn't hurt either

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A little Niklas Sundstrom or Sergei Samsonov wouldn't hurt either
Surprised Poulin hasnt come up yet.

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Hope we can get a 5th rounder for his rights.
We almost certainly won't

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I've always respected what Ryder can bring to a team, but he's a usefull passenger, that's also why he never had that much money thrown to him. Then again, he still bring a respectable top 6 player offense. So, if they doesn't want to re-sign I'm also fine with the decision, but IMO they need to replace him with at least a UFA signing of a guy that can bring offense, because it will be a problem if we want the Habs to be in the top 10 teams next season.

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