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Great to hear that Noreau is in the fold. McColgan will most likely get drafted by someone. I don't think he'll leave Newark being a Free Agent. If he does though, get him to Hartford on an AHL deal or down with Greenville. Might as well try.
I'm not sure about McColgan getting drafted. He slipped to the fifth round a couple years ago because his game showed no improvement over his first two seasons. What has he done since to earn another look? His development seemed to stagnate three years ago. Never a good thing.

I think he'll get an ECHL or AHL deal. I'd be pretty surprised though if he had his name called at the draft again.

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Plus, not a single person ever expected Noreau to improve like this. I love the kid and I never thought he'd improve as he has so far. He's exponentially better than when he was drafted. Light years.
Yes, he is. I liked the selection because of his reputation as a fighter. I figured if things broke right, he'd be a guy that we could trot out every once in a while to assault Philadelphia or something. I didn't realistically expect to get a guy that may be playing regular minutes on a good third pair.

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I would be pretty shocked to see McColgan get drafted again, too.

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Yes, he is. I liked the selection because of his reputation as a fighter. I figured if things broke right, he'd be a guy that we could trot out every once in a while to assault Philadelphia or something. I didn't realistically expect to get a guy that may be playing regular minutes on a good third pair.
Same here. I didn't know much about him at draft time (other than he was considered one of the best fighters in the Q at age 18), but I followed him pretty closely after. Sort of became one of my favorite prospects. Love his heart, his leadership, and his bombs.

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Noreau has some of the same skating issues as Eric Cairns had. The Rangers did a lot of work getting Cairns to the point where he made their team. If I remember correctly Cairns even did some time in the ECHL. Basically Eric became a huge, nasty bottom pairing d-man and he played for a while. Noreau projects about the same if he continues to make progress. That's a better, meaner and tougher version of Stu Bickel. However it works out it was a good pick and it's a good signing. Of the three unsigned guys Noreau was the best possible.

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Noreau is a better skater than Cairns was.

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"He certainly knows the game..and is a big strong kid," #NYR Dir Player Personnel Gordie Clark on Samuel Noreau: http://nyrange.rs/17FxXMs

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"He certainly deserves a crack at it," #NYR Dir Player Personnel Gordie Clark discusses signing Samuel Noreau http://nyrange.rs/11gNTQt
6'5" right handed, rough, fighting, stay at home dmen don' t grow on trees, sounds like a young Beuke

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Not a fan of Gernander's either--and his team collapsed under him the final couple weeks. I would think that would be enough for the Rangers to look for somebody else.

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Noreau is a better skater than Cairns was.
Cairns was not a very good skater at all. The Rangers used to have their AHL team in Binghamton (about an hour away from where I live) and I got to see him a number of times. That ****ing guy could fight though. The Rangers coaching staff did a lot of one on one skating drills and instruction with him. They wanted him to make it just because he was such a monster.

...and the year he made the Rangers he won the Lars Erik Sjoberg trophy for best rookie in training camp and was being endorsed by #11 Mark Messier himself.

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Cairns was not a very good skater at all. The Rangers used to have their AHL team in Binghamton (about an hour away from where I live) and I got to see him a number of times. That ****ing guy could fight though. The Rangers coaching staff did a lot of one on one skating drills and instruction with him. They wanted him to make it just because he was such a monster.

...and the year he made the Rangers he won the Lars Erik Sjoberg trophy for best rookie in training camp and was being endorsed by #11 Mark Messier himself.
Yep, Cairns could launch bombs like few others.

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Yep, Cairns could launch bombs like few others.
Started following the Rangers in 71-72. Some think that the late 60's early 70's Rangers to be one of the best teams not to win a Cup. The Rangers went to the finals in 71-72 against the Bruins--who kind of like the Penguins today had the two best players in the league in Orr and Esposito. They were also a tougher, grittier team--Sanderson, Cashman, Green, Vadnais, McKenzie--they had a number of nasty customers and had the nickname the Bid Bad Bruins. When the Bruins faded the Broad St. Bullies more or less replaced them--the Rangers had enough skill guys but they were getting beaten up on the ice. The other team that would win back then was the Canadiens--keeping in mind that their lineups usually had anywhere between 8-10 future hall of famers--Dryden, Robinson, Lapointe, Serge Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire (the Devils coach who as a player very comparable to Patrice Bergeron), Henri Richard, Lafleur, Gainey, Shutt. We were always outmatched one way or the other but the toughness thing has always seemed one of the main reasons.

And the '94 team was tough--Kocur, Beukeboom, Graves, Wells, Kypreos and Messier etc. etc. If you have a number of hard guys who can play and you got some good skill guys besides then you're a team to be reckoned with. The current Rangers need more of both.

And I agree that Tortorella shouldn't take all the blame for this year. The pieces have to be there and that's more on the GM than the coach.

Roundabout way--Noreau could be a good piece for us in the future.

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Started following the Rangers in 71-72. Some think that the late 60's early 70's Rangers to be one of the best teams not to win a Cup. The Rangers went to the finals in 71-72 against the Bruins--who kind of like the Penguins today had the two best players in the league in Orr and Esposito. They were also a tougher, grittier team--Sanderson, Cashman, Green, Vadnais, McKenzie--they had a number of nasty customers and had the nickname the Bid Bad Bruins. When the Bruins faded the Broad St. Bullies more or less replaced them--the Rangers had enough skill guys but they were getting beaten up on the ice. The other team that would win back then was the Canadiens--keeping in mind that their lineups usually had anywhere between 8-10 future hall of famers--Dryden, Robinson, Lapointe, Serge Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire (the Devils coach who as a player very comparable to Patrice Bergeron), Henri Richard, Lafleur, Gainey, Shutt. We were always outmatched one way or the other but the toughness thing has always seemed one of the main reasons.

And the '94 team was tough--Kocur, Beukeboom, Graves, Wells, Kypreos and Messier etc. etc. If you have a number of hard guys who can play and you got some good skill guys besides then you're a team to be reckoned with. The current Rangers need more of both.

And I agree that Tortorella shouldn't take all the blame for this year. The pieces have to be there and that's more on the GM than the coach.

Roundabout way--Noreau could be a good piece for us in the future.
I would like to get at least one legit tough guy for us on F. A McIlrath on offense if you will.

It would be fantastic to have someone like Lucic. Imagine the toughness? Lucic up front, Mac and Sammy The Bull on the back end?

I miss having legit tough guys that can take a shift.

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Cairns was not a very good skater at all. The Rangers used to have their AHL team in Binghamton (about an hour away from where I live) and I got to see him a number of times. That ****ing guy could fight though. The Rangers coaching staff did a lot of one on one skating drills and instruction with him. They wanted him to make it just because he was such a monster.

...and the year he made the Rangers he won the Lars Erik Sjoberg trophy for best rookie in training camp and was being endorsed by #11 Mark Messier himself.

and went on waivers and turned to be alright for the islanders as their tough guy for the while NYR wanted Rich Pilon the following year

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I <3 Noreau. His fight against Beauregard was awesome. My God was that demolition.

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Started following the Rangers in 71-72. Some think that the late 60's early 70's Rangers to be one of the best teams not to win a Cup. The Rangers went to the finals in 71-72 against the Bruins--who kind of like the Penguins today had the two best players in the league in Orr and Esposito. They were also a tougher, grittier team--Sanderson, Cashman, Green, Vadnais, McKenzie--they had a number of nasty customers and had the nickname the Bid Bad Bruins. When the Bruins faded the Broad St. Bullies more or less replaced them--the Rangers had enough skill guys but they were getting beaten up on the ice. The other team that would win back then was the Canadiens--keeping in mind that their lineups usually had anywhere between 8-10 future hall of famers--Dryden, Robinson, Lapointe, Serge Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire (the Devils coach who as a player very comparable to Patrice Bergeron), Henri Richard, Lafleur, Gainey, Shutt. We were always outmatched one way or the other but the toughness thing has always seemed one of the main reasons.

And the '94 team was tough--Kocur, Beukeboom, Graves, Wells, Kypreos and Messier etc. etc. If you have a number of hard guys who can play and you got some good skill guys besides then you're a team to be reckoned with. The current Rangers need more of both.

And I agree that Tortorella shouldn't take all the blame for this year. The pieces have to be there and that's more on the GM than the coach.

Roundabout way--Noreau could be a good piece for us in the future.
Enjoyed this post bro. Both the recap and the reckoning. Nobody $#!%$ the bed when the Rangers hit the ice....and they should.

I've always felt we deserve a team that just plain scares the crap out people.

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Started following the Rangers in 71-72. Some think that the late 60's early 70's Rangers to be one of the best teams not to win a Cup. The Rangers went to the finals in 71-72 against the Bruins--who kind of like the Penguins today had the two best players in the league in Orr and Esposito. They were also a tougher, grittier team--Sanderson, Cashman, Green, Vadnais, McKenzie--they had a number of nasty customers and had the nickname the Bid Bad Bruins. When the Bruins faded the Broad St. Bullies more or less replaced them--the Rangers had enough skill guys but they were getting beaten up on the ice. The other team that would win back then was the Canadiens--keeping in mind that their lineups usually had anywhere between 8-10 future hall of famers--Dryden, Robinson, Lapointe, Serge Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire (the Devils coach who as a player very comparable to Patrice Bergeron), Henri Richard, Lafleur, Gainey, Shutt. We were always outmatched one way or the other but the toughness thing has always seemed one of the main reasons.

And the '94 team was tough--Kocur, Beukeboom, Graves, Wells, Kypreos and Messier etc. etc. If you have a number of hard guys who can play and you got some good skill guys besides then you're a team to be reckoned with. The current Rangers need more of both.

And I agree that Tortorella shouldn't take all the blame for this year. The pieces have to be there and that's more on the GM than the coach.

Roundabout way--Noreau could be a good piece for us in the future.
Early 70's Rangers had some tough SOB's, Steve Vickers, Ron Harris, Ted Irvine, Vic Hadfield...

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Early 70's Rangers had some tough SOB's, Steve Vickers, Ron Harris, Ted Irvine, Vic Hadfield...
Good guys but not as willing/aggressive as I thought they should have been in some cases. We never combined the rough and tumble with the skill any where near as well as some of our hated rivals.

I do remember a pre season game against the Flyers after they had beat us in the play offs the first time. Man, that was a game. Lot's of Flyer blood on the ice. Miss those days.

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Good guys but not as willing/aggressive as I thought they should have been in some cases. We never combined the rough and tumble with the skill any where near as well as some of our hated rivals.

I do remember a pre season game against the Flyers after they had beat us in the play offs the first time. Man, that was a game. Lot's of Flyer blood on the ice. Miss those days.
Flyers were a disgrace to the league, they got away with murder

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Early 70's Rangers had some tough SOB's, Steve Vickers, Ron Harris, Ted Irvine, Vic Hadfield...
Loved Ron Harris but he didn't fight a lot. He was bad news when he did though but it didn't happen often enough. Almost the same could be said for Vickers. Irvine, Sather and Butler much of our toughness then were traded all in one go to St. Louis for John Davidson.

If we're looking and comparing to what the Flyers were doing at the time--Schultz, Saleski, Dupont, Kelly etc. etc.--the two cups they won--they would 8-9-10 guys over 100 pm a year. A few of them over 200-300. They were kicking ass and taking names.

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Enjoyed this post bro. Both the recap and the reckoning. Nobody $#!%$ the bed when the Rangers hit the ice....and they should.

I've always felt we deserve a team that just plain scares the crap out people.
I just think there are different elements that go into building a winning team and a team that is pro-active in an aggressive sense has an edge over a team that isn't and that edge if it's pushed can take a somewhat less talented team over the top.

I really like what the Bruins have right now. 20 guys they can dress on any given night. There were no passengers in their lineup against us. They were plenty tougher, meaner, stronger on the boards and pinning us back in our end. A lot of the shots they scored on were deflections right in front of our goal or with plenty of bodies in front of net. Henrik didn't stop them because he couldn't see them.

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Loved Ron Harris but he didn't fight a lot. He was bad news when he did though but it didn't happen often enough. Almost the same could be said for Vickers. Irvine, Sather and Butler much of our toughness then were traded all in one go to St. Louis for John Davidson.

If we're looking and comparing to what the Flyers were doing at the time--Schultz, Saleski, Dupont, Kelly etc. etc.--the two cups they won--they would 8-9-10 guys over 100 pm a year. A few of them over 200-300. They were kicking ass and taking names.
Ron Harris was built like fire hydrant and hit like one, Steve Vickers in the early 70 's was one of the most feared fighters in the league, I like Jerry Butler too, he was 165 lbs but tough, he was 6'1"

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