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05-31-2013, 09:54 PM
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I thought Juhlin was going to be a somebody

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Many did. His second year, he was on a line with Brind'Amour and Fedyk and it didn't connect. And then the team acquired Pat Falloon to fill out the second line RW.


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They both sound very promising. I especially trust Simon Nolet's judgement. He of course was the impetus behind the Flyers drafting Forsberg which people questioned at the time. He of course was crestfallen when the Flyers included him in the Lindros trade although it meant we kept Brind'amour. Obviously, not the best decision but at the time we needed Brind'amour more than an unproven rookie...naturally we eventually wound up on the short end of the deal.
Nolet was responsible for drafting Simon Gagne ahead of where he was rated, and his excellent work continued through Giroux and Couturier. He seems to be the CHL go to guy, so he would be in on Downie, Laughton, etc. too.

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Nolet was responsible for drafting Simon Gagne ahead of where he was rated, and his excellent work continued through Giroux and Couturier. He seems to be the CHL go to guy, so he would be in on Downie, Laughton, etc. too.
Nolet is the primary scout for the QMJHL. Dennis Patterson has been our OHL scout so he would be reponsible for Williams, Richards, Carter, Downie, Laughton, etc. Patterson has been there for almost as long as Nolet's been scouting the Q for us.

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We gave both of them 3 year deals? I didn't mind when we signed them because I assumed they would be 1 or 2 year deals, and they could prove themselves or go unsigned. Not as big a fan of the moves as I was before after seeing they're both 3 year deals.

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We gave both of them 3 year deals? I didn't mind when we signed them because I assumed they would be 1 or 2 year deals, and they could prove themselves or go unsigned. Not as big a fan of the moves as I was before after seeing they're both 3 year deals.
Seriously?


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I like the Lamarche signing because its a team need, his age, and potential of being a puck mover. Not sure what to expect of Raffl. Flyers seem high on him...if they are already talking about him playing a role next year. Haven't seen any quotes on Lamarche though.

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As long as it's understood that he was the support cast. His shooting percentage took a huge jump this year as well. It's not like Damien Brunner, who dominated the level he was at. We can't really say the same about Raffl not only for Leksands, but in Austria as well. I hope he's a defensive ace, because everything points to high skepticism that he can be a scoring threat at the NHL level. I'm all for pulling guys from Europe, but we seem to really scrape the bottom of the barrel doing so aside from Bobrovsky.

He'll play in the Olympics, so that'll be cool.
The "support cast" was the best player of the league.

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curious about Raffls age 24, is he a late bloomer? I don't think so. Like Wings' Brunner he just played his hockey life in a low profile European league. Russia, Sweden and Finland host the European leagues which are followed by NHL scouts. But these leagues actually don't draft outside, hence you find almost zero cracks from eg Switzerland or Austria playing in one of these 3 leagues. Somehow Raffl made it to the Swedish 2nd league at the age of 22 and after 1 year of adaption to the scandinavian style of hockey he surprisingly turned out to become the best player of this league. No clue how long it will take him to elevate his play further. But he is not a late bloomer. He is just a good hockey player who was exposed to decent competition at a later stage of his career.

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Sabres-fan coming in peace. as I'm from Austria I just wanted to add something to the Raffl signing. FWIW: Vanek wanted him to come over 3 or 4 years ago to play in juniors or college because he thought he could make his way in NA.

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curious about Raffls age 24, is he a late bloomer? I don't think so. Like Wings' Brunner he just played his hockey life in a low profile European league. .
Swiss NLA is low profile league ?

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I thought Juhlin was going to be a somebody
Ah, good old Juhlin. I remember being all excited about him after the lockout. I also remember some unknown grinder with a funny first name, Shjon Podein, completely outworking him that year, albeit in a very different role.

I love all the old Euro names popping up in this thread - Lomakin, Butsayev (probably my least favorite Flyer of all time), Soderstrom, etc.

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Sabres-fan coming in peace. as I'm from Austria I just wanted to add something to the Raffl signing. FWIW: Vanek wanted him to come over 3 or 4 years ago to play in juniors or college because he thought he could make his way in NA.
Thanks for sharing.

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Wait, I thought the Flyers were already at the contract limit

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The Flyers actually have a lot of contract slots open for once. A lot of contracts came off the books this past season.

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Here's the list of guys who are up for new deals this summer:
-Gagne
-Fedotanko
-Shelley
-Knuble
-Hall
-Walker
-Foster
-Gustafsson
-Manning
-Laurdisen
-Huskins
-Boucher
-Kessel
-Wahl
-Lilja
-Harper
-Wellwood

Gustafsson, Laurdisen, and Manning should get new deals the rest are either toss up's or won't be coming back. Then you add in Briere getting bought and that's an extra roster spot and if Bryz gets bought out that's another too.

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Here's the list of guys who are up for new deals this summer:
-Gagne
-Fedotanko
-Shelley
-Knuble
-Hall
-Walker
-Foster
-Gustafsson
-Manning
-Laurdisen
-Huskins
-Boucher
-Kessel
-Wahl
-Lilja
-Harper
-Wellwood

Gustafsson, Laurdisen, and Manning should get new deals the rest are either toss up's or won't be coming back. Then you add in Briere getting bought and that's an extra roster spot and if Bryz gets bought out that's another too.
-Gagne - yes
-Fedotanko - no
-Shelley - no
-Knuble - no
-Hall - no
-Walker - no
-Foster - no
-Gustafsson - yes
-Manning - yes
-Laurdisen - yes
-Huskins - no
-Boucher - no
-Kessel - no
-Wahl - no
-Lilja - no
-Harper - maybe
-Wellwood - maybe

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I'd keep Wellwood for sure.

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-Gagne - yes
-Fedotanko - no
-Shelley - no
-Knuble - no
-Hall - no
-Walker - no
-Foster - no
-Gustafsson - yes
-Manning - yes
-Laurdisen - yes
-Huskins - no
-Boucher - no
-Kessel - no
-Wahl - no
-Lilja - no
-Harper - maybe
-Wellwood - maybe
I would even mark Gagne as a maybe, if a guy like Clowe or Iginla hits the open market they'll take priority over Gagne I think.

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I thought Juhlin was going to be a somebody
Patrick Juhlin... if only we had drafted his teammate that had gone a few picks later..........

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I'm ok keeping Hall. He was what we needed on the 4th line. A steady and dependable roleplayer. I'd rather him be playing there with limited minutes than someone like Laughton.

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I'm ok keeping Hall. He was what we needed on the 4th line. A steady and dependable roleplayer. I'd rather him be playing there with limited minutes than someone like Laughton.
Definitely. What's not to like about Hall?
- Excels at faceoffs
- Can sign him for cheap
- Good size, and uses it well

He fits the 4th line C / PK like a glove.

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Many did. His second year, he was on a line with Brind'Amour and Fedyk and it didn't connect. And then the team acquired Pat Falloon to fill out the second line RW.
In fairness, Juhlin did have a real good preseason and a goal and assist on opening night in Montreal but then hurt his shoulder in the second game against Washington. He played through it, though not very well and got into Murray's doghouse -- never to re-emerge.

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I like both of these signs, let's hope Raffl is gonna explode atleast a bit like Read but realistically I think he will play for Adirondack most of the season.

I will continue.
- Gagne: yes
- Fedotenko: no
- Shelley: no
- Knuble: no
- Hall: maybe
- Walker: no
- Foster: no
- Gustafsson: yes
- Manning: yes
- Lauridsen: yes
- Huskins: no
- Boucher: no
- Kessel: no
- Wahl: no
- Lilja: no
- Harper: no
- Wellwood: yes

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curious about Raffls age 24, is he a late bloomer? I don't think so. Like Wings' Brunner he just played his hockey life in a low profile European league. Russia, Sweden and Finland host the European leagues which are followed by NHL scouts. But these leagues actually don't draft outside, hence you find almost zero cracks from eg Switzerland or Austria playing in one of these 3 leagues. Somehow Raffl made it to the Swedish 2nd league at the age of 22 and after 1 year of adaption to the scandinavian style of hockey he surprisingly turned out to become the best player of this league. No clue how long it will take him to elevate his play further. But he is not a late bloomer. He is just a good hockey player who was exposed to decent competition at a later stage of his career.
The best player when it's no better than the 7th best league in the world, assuming that it's the best second division in Europe, isn't that high of prise. The NLA is far above it, and Damien Brunner was well over a point-per-game in it.

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