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05-31-2013, 09:27 PM
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Tallinder had a really good Ice Hockey World Championship.

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I think keeping a veteran like Tallinder around in that capacity is a disaster waiting to happen.
It's either that, throw a kid into the fire without being sure of what we have, play the bingo balls to start the season, or keep Urbom and Gelinas in the AHL to start.

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Phoenix wants a center for Yandle.
How would they feel about Josefson and Matteau

I would bring back Zidlicky...I think he's better than Tallinder and I'd like to have him because of his Czech ties...having him and Elias might entice Hossa or Havlat to come here if amnestied. I'd live with Zids as a 3rd pairing D for a couple of years if it brings a talented winger at a below-market deal.

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Tallinder had a really good Ice Hockey World Championship.
I don't watch much of the world's, but from what I saw, it looked like every team besides Russia was icing their B or C team at best.

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Tallinder had a really good Ice Hockey World Championship.
Cool and I don't mind having him back. If we re sign Zidlicky though one of he or Volchenkov needs to go. I'd pick Volchenkov to go 10 times out of 10 between the two.

If JVB doesn't give the OK then trade Tallinder. Although I wouldn't be opposed to trading Fayne if he can be used in a package for something of use. I'm also taking into account that he's a UFA next year, and the fact that Pete wasn't shy about benching him last year.

I can honestly see Lou having to make a decision next year where he might have to choose between re signing Greene in 2015, or signing Fayne. Especially if the Kone isn't out of the picture, and he wants to give one of the younger guys in the system a chance.

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05-31-2013, 09:43 PM
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I'll be extremely angry if we go into the season with 8 d-men again. It will be the same song and dance as last year because for whatever reason Pete has erections for the veterans. I find it hard to believe Tallinder couldn't bring back at least a 5th in a deal. If Larsson and Fayne are going in and out of the lineup again Lou needs to have a conversation with Pete because that is inexcusable. If we keep the 8 d-men again then you just know there gonna get benched for the smallest mistake.

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Cool and I don't mind having him back. If we re sign Zidlicky though one of he or Volchenkov needs to go. I'd pick Volchenkov to go 10 times out of 10 between the two.

If JVB doesn't give the OK then trade Tallinder. Although I wouldn't be opposed to trading Fayne if he can be used in a package for something of use. I'm also taking into account that he's a UFA next year, and the fact that Pete wasn't shy about benching him last year.

I can honestly see Lou having to make a decision next year where he might have to choose between re signing Greene in 2015, or signing Fayne. Especially if the Kone isn't out of the picture, and he wants to give one of the younger guys in the system a chance.
If I'm Lou I'm calling around offering the 9th pick and Fayne to see what the interest is. If a team offers a solid, top 6 forward in return then Lou should think long and hard about doing that.

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Harrold has been signed for 130 games and has played in 34.
That's a bit misleading. Harrold was a total non-entity the first sixty games his first season until late in the season. He played a lot more consistently late in the season, in the playoffs (which those numbers don't include) and in the second half this year. The only time he hasn't really played a lot since last Spring was the first half this year, a casualty of the eight D monstrosity.

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If I'm Lou I'm calling around offering the 9th pick and Fayne to see what the interest is. If a team offers a solid, top 6 forward in return then Lou should think long and hard about doing that.
I personally wouldn't do this. It would have to be far better than a solid top-6 forward for me to consider it.

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1st 3rd Fayne for Loui Loui and Robidas ?

just shooting off the top of the head.

Dallas probably says no

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God I would absolutely foam at the mouth to get Yandle. I love that guy.

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1st 3rd Fayne for Loui Loui and Robidas ?

just shooting off the top of the head.

Dallas probably says no
MAYBE just Loui...

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God I would absolutely foam at the mouth to get Yandle. I love that guy.
A true #1 D and a point man for the PP? Get him here stat...too bad we don't have what PHX wants.

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A true #1 D and a point man for the PP? Get him here stat...too bad we don't have what PHX wants.
well, yea we do, his name is Adam Henrique

but we can't do that with the personnel we have.

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well, yea we do, his name is Adam Henrique

but we can't do that with the personnel we have.
I should have clarified my statement...we don't have an expendable player they want.

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If FLA is seriously interested in moving the #2 pick, I'd package the #9 with any asset(s) except Larsson, Marty, Patty, or Kovy to get him.

I'd be willing to overpay significantly. The thought of Drouin and Kovy on the same line for the next decade makes me accidentally my pants.

If our last three 1sts are:

Drouin (top line offensive center)
Larsson (top pairing two-way defenseman)
Matteau (elite checker/utility player)

Not to mention Boucher and Severson in the system. That's a damn solid foundation to build around. I wouldn't even care about the forfeited 1st.

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Henrique, Merrill, and #9 is hilarious overpayment from an organizational standpoint.

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It's either that, throw a kid into the fire without being sure of what we have, play the bingo balls to start the season, or keep Urbom and Gelinas in the AHL to start.
I'm not sure there are any good options here, but the one thing I don't want a repeat of us the 8 defenseman gig. Either throw the kids into the fire or don't.

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Henrique, Merrill, and #9 is hilarious overpayment from an organizational standpoint.
Oh, it absolutely is. But overpayment is the only way they're going to listen, and Drouin is clearly the best offensive player in this draft and would SIGNIFICANTLY bolster our forward corps for both the present and the future.

Henrique is a known value that isn't going to get significantly better (he might get +60 points once or twice, but a 45-55 point guy is what we should expect). And Merrill may very well be an excellent defensemen, but we already have several of those.

It's not about fantasy points or "value" (whatever that is), it's about making the team better for now and the future.

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05-31-2013, 10:23 PM
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If FLA is seriously interested in moving the #2 pick, I'd package the #9 with any asset(s) except Larsson, Marty, Patty, or Kovy to get him.

I'd be willing to overpay significantly. The thought of Drouin and Kovy on the same line for the next decade makes me accidentally my pants.

If our last three 1sts are:

Drouin (top line offensive center)
Larsson (top pairing two-way defenseman)
Matteau (elite checker/utility player)

Not to mention Boucher and Severson in the system. That's a damn solid foundation to build around. I wouldn't even care about the forfeited 1st.
You would take Drouin over MacKinnon?? Why is that?

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In terms of Yandle's value, I think he's worth Josefson, Fayne and a pick/prospect (late 2nd/early 3rd equivalent). Is that enough for the Coyotes? Hard to say. I would certainly entertain moving Henrique as well, but then the other pieces would have to change. I'm fully on board with moving the #9 pick as well (not for Yandle) if it can be packaged for a top-line forward (a la Eriksson).

I know it's blasphemous to suggest trading our precious prospect babies here (YOUTH!!!), but I'm in the minority who actually would like to win the Cup sooner than later, and I actually believe we have pieces to help make it happen. Will it cost us in the future? Sure. But it's been 10 LONG years and I'm all for going all in.

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You would take Drouin over MacKinnon?? Why is that?
He's a better skater and a better playmaker. Mac is more of a pure goal guy.

IMO, I think Drouin is superior at making his team mates better,and he has the creativity that our team sorely lacks.

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In terms of Yandle's value, I think he's worth Josefson, Fayne and a pick/prospect (late 2nd/early 3rd equivalent). Is that enough for the Coyotes? Hard to say. I would certainly entertain moving Henrique as well, but then the other pieces would have to change. I'm fully on board with moving the #9 pick as well (not for Yandle) if it can be packaged for a top-line forward (a la Eriksson).

I know it's blasphemous to suggest trading our precious prospect babies here (YOUTH!!!), but I'm in the minority who actually would like to win the Cup sooner than later, and I actually believe we have pieces to help make it happen. Will it cost us in the future? Sure. But it's been 10 LONG years and I'm all for going all in.


If the Devils could get Yandle without giving up that #1 and use it to acquire an Eriksson it would be a fantastic offseason...that's why it won't happen.

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He's a better skater and a better playmaker. Mac is more of a pure goal guy.

IMO, I think Drouin is superior at making his team mates better,and he has the creativity that our team sorely lacks.
You're right about almost all of those things, but Mackinnon is by FAR the better skater, easily tops in this draft class and quite possibly the best draft-eligible skater since Ovechkin.

Mackinnon is probably the "safer" guy because his work ethic is strong, he has surprising strength for his size, and he's already proven to be valuable defensively. But in terms of pure, offensive upside, Drouin is the clear winner. He BLEEDS hockey sense, and his vision and hands are ridiculously sick. Imagining him with Stamkos and St. Louis is just completely unfair.

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What would a month around here be without obligatory (and pie-in-the-sky) Yandle trade rumors? I'll believe he ever gets traded when I see it, and I seriously doubt we'll be seeing that in the next couple years.

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