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06-01-2013, 03:21 PM
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I've seen this theory before, but I don't know... wasn't Dumont in the top 6 whenever he played with the Bulldogs this year?
I wrote what I was trying to say very confusingly. Leblanc was often playing on the 3rd line when I watched him. His minutes were down and the situations he was put in weren't consistent with what he'd played in the past. Getting to the end of the year I think he moved up to the top line. Dumont was on the top line for most of the season IIRC. I could be totally wrong, I only watched about 6 games.

I don't think he should be playing on the 3rd line with weaker line mates.

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06-02-2013, 11:15 AM
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Actually, he was drafted high because he was attracting a lot of attention since his Midget years. He had/has potential. I'm not sure he was drafted because he's French at all.
Correct, he was also rookie of the year in the USHL in his draft year, lead his team in scoring while playing in a new country. So one can see why scouts were paying attention to him and up until this past season he had done well enough.

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Exactly. I was waiting for the first realistic post. 18th overall. He should be at least on the third line right now. When fan boys here thought he would be a top six phenom, I said I would be glad if he was a Carbo type. Now, I don't even think that is going to happen.

Bust. I'll eat my words next year if I'm wrong, but bust. Sorry. And it pisses me off.
He could end up a bust, as he looked that bad last season, enough to warrant major concern from any fan. But i'd say that it's unrealistic to say he should be at least one the third line right now. Development is not a rigid timetable, one shouldn't expect too much from a 2nd year pro, clearly playing in the NHL would be great but it's not a race to the NHL it's how it finishes that matters.

I'd also refrain from the fan boys comment as it's way out of line in this case. One should expect their own fans to go overboard when it coms to 1st round draft picks, but in the case of Leblanc, there is nothing wrong with thinking he had top 6 upside. I know having watched him at every level he's played since his draft year, I would easily have said he's got top 6 upside up until this past season.

What we have here is a prospect that was highly rated by the scouting community, and after 2 pro seasons he's had one very good and one very bad season so far. To me that says the future is still anyone's guess at this point. Of course we as fans can voice our opinions on the future of players, but the reality is that there are so many factors in play that non of us are privy to that could have major impacts on said players future so trying to predict and then patting ones self on the back when proved correct seems like a waste of time as even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That said I didn't want the Habs to draft Leblanc because of physical issues and after watching him last season I do fear he could end up a bust as he was terrible. But I also think he could bounce back and end up having a much better year in Hamilton as it's not the stats with me it's what they do on the ice and in the past I really liked what I saw from him in his overall game but whatever the reasons he didn't have it last season and to drop so much has to be a big concern to management. It would suck to see a 1st rounder bust, so hopefully he gets back on track.

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I think it would be different if had other assets to his game. If goal scorers aren't scoring goals, what else can you do to help the team?
Leblanc usually is a very good defensive forward, he's not someone that needs to be scoring goals although if he's not chipping in points he's going to have his work cut out for him in a big way to stick in the NHL. The problem to me was that this past season nothing seemed to go right for him, his confidence had to be shot but the effort and intensity that he usually shows wasn't there either which is very concerning to me.

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I've seen this theory before, but I don't know... wasn't Dumont in the top 6 whenever he played with the Bulldogs this year?
he was

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I wrote what I was trying to say very confusingly. Leblanc was often playing on the 3rd line when I watched him. His minutes were down and the situations he was put in weren't consistent with what he'd played in the past. Getting to the end of the year I think he moved up to the top line. Dumont was on the top line for most of the season IIRC. I could be totally wrong, I only watched about 6 games.

I don't think he should be playing on the 3rd line with weaker line mates.
I didn't care for some of the decisions that the coaching staff made, especially in regards to the forwards. Clearly something was very wrong as you only have had to watch the PP try to do anything fluid in the offensive zone consistently. The way they handled Leblanc was somewhat strange since he wasn't getting PP time but later they did move him up and he did get regular PP time, just looked like a shell of himself by then though.

But even playing on the 3rd line with weaker linemates, I have no problem with that, as a prospect should still be able to show a certain amount of intensity consistently in their overall game no matter who they are paired up with. Granted one should lower their expectations if said player is playing more of a defensive role with non skilled linemates. Perhaps it was more of a mental test and he failed. We can only guess at what went wrong with Leblanc and what the plan was and is going forward for him.

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01-08-2014, 02:22 PM
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2009 is turning out to be a lackluster of a draft, and not only for the Habs. A lot of 1st round picks (chosen before AND after Leblanc) have been traded or aren't really breaking out.

Still hoping to see Louis bounce back.

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How is Louis doing anyway? I have not heard a thing about him and I have not followed the Bulldogs at all this year. I went to a game with my kids school in November and he was really lacklustre. That Andrighetto looked good and scored, wasn't impressed with Louis at all.

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Andrighetto is a beast , his hands and quickness are almost elite, very high quality. Also, say what you want about Louis but he IS Hamilton's top goal scorer...

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2009 is turning out to be a lackluster of a draft, and not only for the Habs. A lot of 1st round picks (chosen before AND after Leblanc) have been traded or aren't really breaking out.

Still hoping to see Louis bounce back.
Which is funny because it was touted as relatively strong draft if I recall correctly.

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The change in regimes Gauthier to Bergevin brought about a major challenge for Leblanc, no longer was the GM responsible for Leblanc's choice in the 2009 Entry Draft.
I believe that the new management could see the talent Louis has but weren't impressed with his skating.(always his biggest flaw) Their thinking was he needed to change his skating style, which would improve his speed and make him a viable top six forward.(his size & speed making a 3rd line forward questionable also.

In Leblanc's defence, I still recall him playing for TC in the summer before his draft at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. Matched with #3 OV pick that year Matt Duchene and the #1 OV in 2010 Taylor Hall, two players with speed to burn. The results from their line were good and Louis was the best of the three, no question in anybody's mind that watched them play.

Every league that he's played in Leblanc proved he can score and excel except for the NHL. That doesn't mean he can't play in the NHL, it's just the expectations made by others exceed his abilities, at least thus far.

It's the Habs belief that Louis will be better suited as a 3rd line winger. With the prospects that are in the system, it appears Leblanc's best opportunity is as a 3rd line winger. If he gains muscle mass and improves his speed, he would make a good match on a line with LW Bournival & C Tomas Plekanec, both speedsters in the NHL.

Surprise, surprise, who would have thought that, other than people that witnessed his play with Duchene & Hall yrs. ago. Playing on a line with Bournival (scoring touch & great checker, with speed), Plekanec (scoring touch & great checker, with speed), Leblanc's assets (stickhandling, checking, vision) should make a line that will frustrate the opposition with their tenacity and energy and create momentum swings in games.

That is the ultimate purpose of the 3rd line and on paper they look to be near perfect IMO, somewhat like the Boston Bruins had in the late 60's early 70's, (Eddie Westfall, Derek Sanderson, Johnny (Pie) McKenzie) or the Habs (Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Jimmy Roberts)in the 70's. That's on paper, the Habs would have to try playing them as a unit, before anointing them in that category. But teams actually did try to form lines like these to win championships, someones line has to keep the opposition's best line off of the scoreboard to win. All star teams don't win SC Championships, teams that can play a 200 ft game and great defence with great goaltending do win.

If Louis Leblanc embraces the job Habs management team asked him too, then he may be an integral part of the Habs future team. I hope he does embrace the opportunity, as those before him have.

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Andrighetto is a beast , his hands and quickness are almost elite, very high quality. Also, say what you want about Louis but he IS Hamilton's top goal scorer...

Brendan Galllagher's stats last year in Hamilton:

2012-13 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 36 10 10 20


Louis Leblanc's stats this year

2013-14 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 32 9 10 19

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I really liked Leblanc's speed and vision during his first stint. If he can become good at winning battles in the corners, he can be a quality NHLer.

Also looking forward to seeing Andrighetto's development.

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I really liked Leblanc's speed and vision during his first stint. If he can become good at winning battles in the corners, he can be a quality NHLer.

Also looking forward to seeing Andrighetto's development.
If he can become ? This is one of his strenght.

There's no reason for Leblanc to still be in Hamilton. He's better than Gionta right now, no contest.

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If he can become ? This is one of his strenght.

There's no reason for Leblanc to still be in Hamilton. He's better than Gionta right now, no contest.
Besides aiming shots on net and board battles, gionta is probably still better at everything than leblanc.

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Besides aiming shots on net and board battles, gionta is probably still better at everything than leblanc.
So, really, nothing else ?

Do you really doubt Leblanc is worse in positioning ? Skating ? Hitting ? Heck, if you say he's worse in passing theres something, because Gionta might be the worst passer in the league.

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If he can become ? This is one of his strenght.

There's no reason for Leblanc to still be in Hamilton. He's better than Gionta right now, no contest.
I might be wrong but I think LL could bring more than Gio. Gio just kills more offense than he creates. His saving grace is his defense.

I'm definitely rooting for LL, I really like his all around game. Thought he was good with DD and Bourque. Wish he was a little stronger but it's certainly not a weakness.

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If he can become ? This is one of his strenght.

There's no reason for Leblanc to still be in Hamilton. He's better than Gionta right now, no contest.
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If he can become ? This is one of his strenght.

There's no reason for Leblanc to still be in Hamilton. He's better than Gionta right now, no contest.
Congrats...you now have the silliest post for 2014 !!!

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So, really, nothing else ?

Do you really doubt Leblanc is worse in positioning ? Skating ? Hitting ? Heck, if you say he's worse in passing theres something, because Gionta might be the worst passer in the league.
Gionta is an awful excuse for a scoring line winger - and he's a decidedly terrible choice as captain of the most historic and significant franchise in hockey history... But he's a proven NHLer and Leblanc just isn't there yet.

Do I think LL can match Gio's "production"? Yes.
Is LL over Gio going to offer a net positive to our chances of winning? Not sure... And therefore it's never going to happen.

Believe me, that clown Gionta would never see another game in a Habs jersey if I were in charge - a supposed professional NHL winger does not allow his shot and shooting talent to deteriorate so much - but LL isn't really lighting the AHL on fire now, so it's hard to justify giving our (smurf, mercenary, lame, pathetic) captain the boot.

Then again, Bergevin's track record doesn't really indicate any sense or reason so you never know with that guy.

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Brendan Galllagher's stats last year in Hamilton:

2012-13 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 36 10 10 20


Louis Leblanc's stats this year

2013-14 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 32 9 10 19
Seems legit stat wise but Gallagher is wonderful not just offensively.

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Seems legit stat wise but Gallagher is wonderful not just offensively.
He got a nice smile too. And he doesn't look stressed out like Leblanc.

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When the best offensive prospect in your system (ready in the next 2years) is Leblanc. You have ****** depth.

We better be hoping that Reway, LaRose and McCaron becomes good.

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Leblanc was decent in his 2011-2012 and should have been givrn another chance.

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Besides aiming shots on net and board battles, gionta is probably still better at everything than leblanc.
Not to mention vision. I would like to see Leblanc here but both players just bring something different in their roles. It should not be "oh we must replace Gio by Leblanc".

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With Galchenyuk out why not call Louis up to see what he can do in an offensive role?

He's a RFA at year end and think he needs to clear waivers next year to go down so might as well find out now if he's NHL material and also help the offseason planning

It's not like we can really score less...

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Seems legit stat wise but Gallagher is wonderful not just offensively.
And Leblanc doesn't ? I can assure you that Leblanc is more responsible defensively. But he's clearly not as good around the net, and he's not as ''flamboyant'' so he's not going to be a fan favorite like Gally. Marketing 101.

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Not to mention vision. I would like to see Leblanc here but both players just bring something different in their roles. It should not be "oh we must replace Gio by Leblanc".
Well there's two wingers ATM that needs out, Bourque and Gionta. We have two other wingers ready to step up LL and Bournival. So it's the simple solution to put one against another.

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With Galchenyuk out why not call Louis up to see what he can do in an offensive role?

He's a RFA at year end and think he needs to clear waivers next year to go down so might as well find out now if he's NHL material and also help the offseason planning

It's not like we can really score less...
In an offensive role ? Galchenyuk was seen playing 4 minutes per game, this won't help Leblanc. Leblanc will probably not be here next year, anyway. The bias is strong.

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I don't see the work ethic from Leblanc. Seems like he is lazy when he plays almost reminds me of Rene Bourque.

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Brendan Galllagher's stats last year in Hamilton:

2012-13 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 36 10 10 20


Louis Leblanc's stats this year

2013-14 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 32 9 10 19
It was also the lockout so you had NHL caliber players on most teams

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