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06-01-2013, 11:40 AM
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streakiest scorer ever

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06-01-2013, 11:47 AM
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Hope we can get a 5th rounder for his rights.
A 5th for hif UFA rights.. seems legit.. but i get what you did there

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Pending a strong camp, don't think Kristo is ready to make the jump yet imo.
well if they happen to whip out the alcohol breathalyzers at camp, they will be amazed at how well he plays with that 0.42 rate. just a question of keeping him sober

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A 5th for hif UFA rights.. seems legit.. but i get what you did there
We got a 5th for Wiz's rights. We picked Hudon with that pick too.

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streakiest scorer ever

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I don't think there's any actual evidence for this.

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I hope that Bergevin is a brilliant hockey mind that has a vision for the Habs that takes us to contending status. Ryder is a complimentary piece but not a guy that you count on when times are tough, just a guy that scores you a few here and there but can't play a defensive role to save his life. It is Bergevins time to steer this ship in the right direction and it will be interesting to see what he comes up with.

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06-01-2013, 02:00 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn could then come back in Montreal if Ryder isn't...

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06-01-2013, 03:02 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn could then come back in Montreal if Ryder isn't...
If it was cheaper than the 3.25 mil we usually had him for, I would consider taking him back, he had chemistry with Eller.


Weren't you on the official Habs site board?

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06-01-2013, 03:04 PM
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Either one will do. I would also like to see maybe Matthieu Darche or Benoit Pouliot.
I would prefer Dandenault with perezhogin getting 3rd line minutes.

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06-01-2013, 03:09 PM
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It's interesting that posters are criticizing a goal-scorer for being too one-dimensional.

Ummmm ....

The dimension is scoring goals, the most important skill of any forward in hockey, and Ryder does it well.
And when a 1 dimensional player goes cold, what good are they?

Do you read your own post?

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06-01-2013, 03:11 PM
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Let's replace him with David Perron.

Desharnais + Weber for him. righthanded, can play both wings. Only 25 and scored 21 goals in 57 games last year. Kind of a similar situation than Desharnais but with a better contract and he solves our centers problem.

Perron - Plekanec - Bourque
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Bickell - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - White - Moen

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I hope that Bergevin is a brilliant hockey mind that has a vision for the Habs that takes us to contending status. Ryder is a complimentary piece but not a guy that you count on when times are tough, just a guy that scores you a few here and there but can't play a defensive role to save his life. It is Bergevins time to steer this ship in the right direction and it will be interesting to see what he comes up with.
Agreed but the weird thing is midseason he signed a centre to a long term deal who fits this description exactly (Desharnais) and seems to view him as a big part of the team going forward..

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Andrei Kostitsyn could then come back in Montreal if Ryder isn't...
In fact, bringing back a guy like AK on a 1 year deal at 3.5 or even a little more could be a good move.

If he plays really well and helps the team, great. If you think you can do without, trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick at the deadline. Win-win. That's what Dallas did with Jagr, basically. And they got a late first out of it.

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06-01-2013, 03:17 PM
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Let's replace him with David Perron.

Desharnais + Weber for him. righthanded, can play both wings. Only 25 and scored 21 goals in 57 games last year. Kind of a similar situation than Desharnais but with a better contract and he solves our centers problem.

Perron - Plekanec - Bourque
Pacioretty - Eller - Gionta
Bickell - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Prust - White - Moen
I think the Blues might consider trading Perron (or Berglund or Stewart), but only for an upgrade on Berglund at center. I'm not sure they'd see DD as a solution. They already have a surplus of skilled D (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester, Russell), so I don't think Weber would have any value to them. I like the idea of adding Perron though.

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06-01-2013, 03:34 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn could then come back in Montreal if Ryder isn't...
This is the topic for another thread but I would not mind AK at 1.5-2M.
I would also take Ryder back at 2-2.5M.

He is big, hits hard, can patrol on the right wing and can give us at least 15 goals.
Could be fun to see Bourque/Pac - DD - AK

But writing his name will raise a hell from all those who wants to get Clarkson and Clowe at 5M per.

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06-01-2013, 03:35 PM
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I'm OK with letting go of Ryder if we can replace him by a player that isn't one-dimensional.

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In fact, bringing back a guy like AK on a 1 year deal at 3.5 or even a little more could be a good move.

If he plays really well and helps the team, great. If you think you can do without, trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick at the deadline. Win-win. That's what Dallas did with Jagr, basically. And they got a late first out of it.
Andrei Kostitsyn may come back to the NHL for 2013-2014. However, there are several teams that are interested at this stage: Panthers, Devils as well.

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06-01-2013, 03:43 PM
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Surprised Poulin hasnt come up yet.
Hey, Perezhogin's only 29

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I think the Blues might consider trading Perron (or Berglund or Stewart), but only for an upgrade on Berglund at center. I'm not sure they'd see DD as a solution. They already have a surplus of skilled D (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester, Russell), so I don't think Weber would have any value to them. I like the idea of adding Perron though.
I agree, and I think they would want Eller back if that were the case. Perron's trade value is diminished by only his injury history, otherwise he's a great player and a great team player. Only thing is we already have a player that's exactly Perron's type (and size as a matter of fact): Kristo, so there's no real need to make that deal unless they really want that type of scoring winger right now, but it would cost us, whereas Kristo doesn't.

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Andrei Kostitsyn may come back to the NHL for 2013-2014. However, there are several teams that are interested at this stage: Panthers, Devils as well.
Like I said earlier, I hope the pick we got for Kostitsyn turns out to be a good one, otherwise I'm all about bringing Kostitsyn back and was disappointed we ever let him go when he was finally settling into a big checking winger role that we'd lacked outside of Cole at the time.

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06-01-2013, 03:46 PM
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I hope that Bergevin is a brilliant hockey mind that has a vision for the Habs that takes us to contending status. Ryder is a complimentary piece but not a guy that you count on when times are tough, just a guy that scores you a few here and there but can't play a defensive role to save his life. It is Bergevins time to steer this ship in the right direction and it will be interesting to see what he comes up with.
exactly and the playoffs have shown we are nowhere ready to compete with the powerhouses

at some point DD, MARKOV, COLBY, MOEN , CUBE and others need to be flushed out

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I'm OK with letting go of Ryder if we can replace him by a player that isn't one-dimensional.



Andrei Kostitsyn may come back to the NHL for 2013-2014. However, there are several teams that are interested at this stage: Panthers, Devils as well.
The thing is....AK46 is exactly that : A one dimensional player. A bit more physical than Ryder but almost just as bad defensively.

I want neither of these guys back. Way too inconsistent. Let's move on

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06-01-2013, 04:33 PM
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The thing is....AK46 is exactly that : A one dimensional player. A bit more physical than Ryder but almost just as bad defensively.

I want neither of these guys back. Way too inconsistent. Let's move on
Did AK not lead us in hits one year?


I seem to remember he really upped his physical play his last few years in Montreal. Could be wrong though.

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The thing is....AK46 is exactly that : A one dimensional player. A bit more physical than Ryder but almost just as bad defensively.

I want neither of these guys back. Way too inconsistent. Let's move on
Actually, the Eller-Ak duo was a very good on even strength, playing pretty good opposition. Ak's defensive game improved in his time here.

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Did AK not lead us in hits one year?


I seem to remember he really upped his physical play his last few years in Montreal. Could be wrong though.
You are right.

We also were reading posters repeating that he was so soft for years despite coming out top-5 in hits in our team year after year.
But AK was hitting hard, not Emelin hard but still hard.

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You are right.

We also were reading posters repeating that he was so soft for years despite coming out top-5 in hits in our team year after year.
But AK was hitting hard, not Emelin hard but still hard.
The problem with AK was never his softness... But his hockey sense and his inconsistency.

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Actually, the Eller-Ak duo was a very good on even strength, playing pretty good opposition. Ak's defensive game improved in his time here.
He did improve his defensive game a bit but he's still too inconsistent for my taste. You never know if the guy will show or not.

Not really my type of player but hey...let's say the Habs sign him for 1 year @ 2.5-3m as bandaid type signing i'm not going to cry over it but i sure as hell won't be thrilled either.

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The problem with AK was never his softness... But his hockey sense and his inconsistency.
Curious as to what kind of season he had back in the motherland this past season? Anyone know his numbers?

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