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10-06-2006, 11:21 PM
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Did I miss something here, Kovalev scored on his shot???? Ryder was one of the best Habs tonite, along withKoivu and Higgins. Kovalev performed one of his disappearing acts again. When is Ryder going to get some respect from this board.
I love Ryder, and fully agree on him getting no damn respect. However, that's in regard to constant trade proposals. He never scores in the shootout, gotta stop putting him out there.

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10-06-2006, 11:29 PM
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Yeah I was referring to Ryder's ineffectiveness in shootouts rather than his actual performance. He was good tonight but again, I don't ever want to see him take a shootout again.

They should let Samsonov, Koivu or Higgins do it.

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10-06-2006, 11:40 PM
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I don't think I even saw Samsonov on the ice in overtime, he played well with the puck but he and Kovalev try to do to much with the puck and not enough dishing it off.

Carbo could have used Samsonov's creativity and speed in OT too.

Everyone whining about Ryder in the shoot out, I think Ryder deserves to be there but he isn't a deeker, he is a shooter and he should do like shooters do shot the puck.

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10-06-2006, 11:44 PM
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Its obviously all mental with ryder right now in shootouts

To his defense, there's alot of bigger names who suck at shootouts... like naslund and iginla

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10-06-2006, 11:47 PM
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Honestly though... Plekanec please. Atleast once, damnit. Before the game RDS showed some goals from last season, Pleks on Ward. hoowow

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10-07-2006, 12:07 AM
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I love Ryder, and fully agree on him getting no damn respect. However, that's in regard to constant trade proposals. He never scores in the shootout, gotta stop putting him out there.
Agree totally!!! If Ryder wants to be sucessful in shootouts, he should use his best asset, his shot. If not, keep him out. But he still deserves some respect.

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10-07-2006, 12:08 AM
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The real mistake is Rivet not slamming the guy into the boards and forgetting about the puck for a second. The puck would have been his very easily after that hit. No OT. No Loss.
Rivet is such a team oriented guy but the last player I want on the ice in the last minute. His reaction time is sooooo slow especially when there is a scamble around the net. So Frustrating.

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10-07-2006, 12:17 AM
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In defense of Rivet, tonight... I didn't think he'd be back after taking that shot off his hand. He was labouring it for a long time. I'm a Rivet fan, but not so much Rivet-Souray anymore. aha

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10-07-2006, 12:18 AM
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I agree... Ryder was 0/4... now 0/5, he's just awful on shootouts.

Ive never understood why they never tried Ribeiro last year...
I don't expect to see Dave Tippett use Ribs in shootouts, so no use whining.

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10-07-2006, 12:25 AM
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Well, I found it quite odd that Carbo did not seem interested in what was going on during the Briere incident. On one side you have Ruff yealling like a madman, on the other calm Carbo not seeming to mind what was happening. He confirmed this during the post game press conference. He doesn't know what happened.
The league neither, the whole thing is missing from the game's official PBP. It goes from a takeaway to a faceoff with no stoppage in between. It makes no sense.

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10-07-2006, 12:30 AM
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Agree totally!!! If Ryder wants to be sucessful in shootouts, he should use his best asset, his shot. If not, keep him out. But he still deserves some respect.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the first time Ryder tried a deke on a shootout attempt (and to his credit it almost worked). All the other times he's used his shot, and failed.

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10-07-2006, 01:48 AM
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To me he made quite a few mistakes, but if the Habs won the game this thread wouldn't even exist.

but Ryder in SO...........

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10-07-2006, 02:02 AM
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Oh well, Carbo used Ryder in a SO, is that really mistake?

Atlanta vs. Tampa
1. Kozlov
2. Sim
3. Kovalchuk

Bob Hartley chose Jon Sim over Marian Hossa.

He tried to get Higgins in for Kovalev at the end of the third, but for some reason the ref didn't allow it.

Playing Bonk instead of Perez in OT, I didn't think much about it at the time.

Maybe his first mistake is not spending enough time with Pleks practicing face-offs.

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10-07-2006, 02:08 AM
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Oh well, Carbo used Ryder in a SO, is that really mistake?

Atlanta vs. Tampa
1. Kozlov
2. Sim
3. Kovalchuk

Bob Hartley chose Jon Sim over Marian Hossa.

He tried to get Higgins in for Kovalev at the end of the third, but for some reason the ref didn't allow it.

Playing Bonk instead of Perez in OT, I didn't think much about it at the time.

Maybe his first mistake is not spending enough time with Pleks practicing face-offs.
have you ever seen Ryder on a breakaway, or from a corne deke and score?

he was 0 in 4 last year...

Plekanec, Samsonov, Higgins... brrr

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10-07-2006, 02:20 AM
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Markov is supposed to be quite the litttle sniper on the shootout too.

I think coach was just rewarding Ryder for a good game, and maybe making a small statement to Samsonov.

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10-07-2006, 02:21 AM
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have you ever seen Ryder on a breakaway, or from a corne deke and score?

he was 0 in 4 last year...

Plekanec, Samsonov, Higgins... brrr
We'll see what he (coach) does next time.

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10-07-2006, 02:24 AM
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Carbo didn't make any mistakes but made a big mistake. His team lost because it lacked the confidence and the sharpness that Buffalo has. Skill wise, we are as good as they are if not better, but our players are shaky and made mistakes in the defencive zone as well as in the defencive zone. We were beaten by a more confident team than ours, a confident team which played well in the playoffs, last year. Until our players and our management understand that if THEY decide, they can be one of the powehouses of the league, we'll keep on winning and loosing, we'll make the playoffs but we're not going to go deep.

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10-07-2006, 02:49 AM
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Guys Ryder was one of are best offensive players tonight, if not our best(Koviu). He has a quick shot and a great release, I'd think he'd be able to put one in once in a while

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Guys Ryder was one of are best offensive players tonight, if not our best(Koviu). He has a quick shot and a great release, I'd think he'd be able to put one in once in a while
Yes, Ryder did his job ! He didn't get a goal in penalty shot, but he still was the goal scorer he shoudl be during the game.

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10-07-2006, 10:08 AM
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Didn't Carbo try to get Kovy off and Higgins in but an official wouldn't let him? I dunno, that's what... Pierre said. Maybe Miller. Either or.

Ryder in the shootout ticked me off. Stop DOING THAT!
well there must be multiple reasons why ryder was chosen. Carbo must have had all the players take many shootout's in camp and the pre-season practices. He probably has a list of the best on our team in the shootouts. I'm surprised as you are though that ryder is in the top 3 on the team

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10-07-2006, 10:13 AM
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Agree totally!!! If Ryder wants to be sucessful in shootouts, he should use his best asset, his shot. If not, keep him out. But he still deserves some respect.
you can't just always shoot, a deke now and then is good to help keep the goalie guessing at what you will do..especially if Ryder is in the plans all season, to participate in the shootout.

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10-07-2006, 10:19 AM
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Its obviously all mental with ryder right now in shootouts

To his defense, there's alot of bigger names who suck at shootouts... like naslund and iginla
Yeah, you don't give up on your top goal scorer that easily. Ryder will come around, just like some of the other big names you mention, and then everybody will be saying "I'm sure glad that Carbo stuck with Ryder".

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10-07-2006, 12:15 PM
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How do they select the shooters ? I doubt they go by , 'hmm, I bet he'd be good'

I believe they have actual competeitions in practice and go with the guys who show the best results. If Ryder doesn't succeed soon, someone else will get a chance. I'm guessing Koivu being 3rd was a hunch because he'd scored twice.

If Murray scores 8 in a row in practice, he'd get a chance.

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10-07-2006, 12:30 PM
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Who cares about who's shooting in the shootouts......If Rivet and Souray don't play together or too many minutes, we'll never go in shootouts. Rivet and Souray should've never be in the last minute of play. I would've played Traverse instead tonight....That's his real bad decision. And he shouldn't have used Pleks on the defensive zone faceoff....
Traverse...stop being an idiot. i agree that Souray looked lost out there tonight and think the game is to fast for him, but Traverse is a joke.

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All these Habs coaches keeping Souray and Rivet together is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
Put Rivet back with Markov, they perform their best when they're together.
This team misses Cube!

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