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05-21-2013, 03:00 PM
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Didn't Zharkov stated that he wanted to play in NHL instead of KHL. I really had high hopes for him. At 6'4 he is skilled enough to make the team eventually. Maybe he thinks that he has nothing to prove in OHL anymore. Does anybody know how long the contract is and how long can the Oilers hold his rights?
You're right. He has proven nothing in the OHL.

Good for the kid that he got a pro contract. As a post draft player that can't hit a point per game in junior, his chances of making the NHL are astronomically small.

Try to find another player that went through junior with his scoring rates and made the NHL as something other then a designated face puncher. I don't think you can find a "skill" guy that made that jump.

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You're right. He has proven nothing in the OHL.

Good for the kid that he got a pro contract. As a post draft player that can't hit a point per game in junior, his chances of making the NHL are astronomically small.

Try to find another player that went through junior with his scoring rates and made the NHL as something other then a designated face puncher. I don't think you can find a "skill" guy that made that jump.
Bertuzzi and Neal come to mind

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You're right. He has proven nothing in the OHL.

Good for the kid that he got a pro contract. As a post draft player that can't hit a point per game in junior, his chances of making the NHL are astronomically small.

Try to find another player that went through junior with his scoring rates and made the NHL as something other then a designated face puncher. I don't think you can find a "skill" guy that made that jump.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=123846


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You're right. He has proven nothing in the OHL.

Good for the kid that he got a pro contract. As a post draft player that can't hit a point per game in junior, his chances of making the NHL are astronomically small.

Try to find another player that went through junior with his scoring rates and made the NHL as something other then a designated face puncher. I don't think you can find a "skill" guy that made that jump.
My guess is that you did not follow Zharkov or the Bulls much last year. For a good part of the year the Bulls were just about the lowest scoring team in the OHL. They play defense first, defense second and defense third. (It is also worth noting that they play on big ice. Two thirds of the way through the season they brought in a couple of offensive players and Zharkov took off. He had 16 goals and 27 points in his last 23 games.

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My guess is that you did not follow Zharkov or the Bulls much last year. For a good part of the year the Bulls were just about the lowest scoring team in the OHL. They play defense first, defense second and defense third. (It is also worth noting that they play on big ice. Two thirds of the way through the season they brought in a couple of offensive players and Zharkov took off. He had 16 goals and 27 points in his last 23 games.
He must really suck since a KHL team wanted to sign him

If he's gone for a year and it doesn't count against his ELC then there is nothing not to like about this move IMO. He'll be around pro's, get paid like a pro, and train like a pro. That should lead him to a pretty seamless transition to the AHL when he returns.

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05-21-2013, 10:14 PM
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My guess is that you did not follow Zharkov or the Bulls much last year. For a good part of the year the Bulls were just about the lowest scoring team in the OHL. They play defense first, defense second and defense third. (It is also worth noting that they play on big ice. Two thirds of the way through the season they brought in a couple of offensive players and Zharkov took off. He had 16 goals and 27 points in his last 23 games.
So what?

That didn't prevent 17 year old defenseman Jordan Subban from putting up better numbers then Zharkov.

I hope the kid exceeds expectations, but it does not look promising at all.

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05-22-2013, 12:37 AM
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He must really suck since a KHL team wanted to sign him

If he's gone for a year and it doesn't count against his ELC then there is nothing not to like about this move IMO. He'll be around pro's, get paid like a pro, and train like a pro. That should lead him to a pretty seamless transition to the AHL when he returns.
I think this could be great for his development. The KHL teams work hard, I mean as in really hard in the off season, so he'll probably end up in great physical shape. And they work a lot with skating. Which for a big guy like Zharkov can only be good. The KHL is certainly a huge step up from the OHL as well.
My only worry is if he'll get any TOI and if he ever comes back. A young guy might enjoy living near friends and family a little too much.

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05-22-2013, 01:02 AM
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Its news to me.

I think he had another year of AHL eligibility in Belleville. Hell, I don't know the Oilers even look his way if he was playing in the KHL.
It's very rare that a CHL team uses an overage spot and an import spot for one player.

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05-22-2013, 01:19 AM
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It's very rare that a CHL team uses an overage spot and an import spot for one player.
He wouldn't be an overager next season though.

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He wouldn't be an overager next season though.
Sorry, brainfart. Thought he was a late birthday '93 for a second.

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So what?

That didn't prevent 17 year old defenseman Jordan Subban from putting up better numbers then Zharkov.

I hope the kid exceeds expectations, but it does not look promising at all.
How much did you watch him play? My guess is not very much if at all. The guy is not an offense first winger. He has a sound two way game. His job on his line is defense first. The fact that he had such a good run at the end of the year is actually a big plus, not something to be dismissed.

Comparing him with Subban is ridiculous. First off Subban is an extremely talented offensive defenseman who plays a lot. One of the best in that regard in the OHL. Secondly he is their pp QB so when the Bulls score on the pp there is a very good chance that Suban is in on the deal. If he was 6 ft tall and 190lbs he`d be a high first round draft choice. BUt he is 5`9 and about 155lbs. Not exactly what you are looking for in an NHL defenseman.

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How much did you watch him play? My guess is not very much if at all. The guy is not an offense first winger. He has a sound two way game. His job on his line is defense first. The fact that he had such a good run at the end of the year is actually a big plus, not something to be dismissed.
Maybe you just don't know how to watch hockey? My guess is that you work for the Oilers organization if you are trying to sell Zharkov as a defensive specialist.


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05-22-2013, 10:50 AM
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Maybe you just don't know how to watch hockey? My guess is that you work for the Oilers organization if you are trying to sell Zharkov as a defensive specialist.

Nice come-back. It certainly supports your position.

For the record. He's not a defensive specialist. He is a two way winger. He backchecks, forechecks and is basically very responsible defensively for a player his age. He also plays a role on a very defensive team that is not going to allow him to put up big points as easily as he might in other circumstances. He does have a fair bit of skill and in particular has an excellent shot. But what he is not is a purely offensive first top six or bust kind of player. He has worked hard to round out his game. He can be inconsistent at times in both end, but that's not so suprising for a guy chosen as late in the draft as he was.

No one is suggesting he is a lock to make it. I actually agree that he is a longshot. But this is true of pretty much everyone picked outside of the 1st round. My objection is that the only evidence you presented was that he was not a ppg forward as if this was somehow a measure of how successful a season Zharkov had.

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05-23-2013, 05:20 PM
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You can't fault the kid for wanting to make a living. You never know if you can make a living off hockey. It will be good development for him to play against hockey players that are bigger and better.

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Looks like Roy got injured last night in the Kelly Cup final, but Tyler bunz managed to pull out a win. They're getting schlacked tonight though.

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What happened in Sarnia that they fired the GM for issues not related to on ice performance and their lawyers told them to not say anything more?

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Toni Rajala's success has been a surprise for me. What can you tell me about his season aside his point production? I haven't seen any of his games so I'd like to know if his play looks like it could work in NHL rinks?

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05-31-2013, 12:45 PM
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Toni Rajala's success has been a surprise for me. What can you tell me about his season aside his point production? I haven't seen any of his games so I'd like to know if his play looks like it could work in NHL rinks?
I haven't seen a lot of him, but I think it could.

Obviously his skill is undeniable.

His skating, hands and hockey sense really make him an elusive guy, so I don't think he has to worry too much about not being able to handle the physical side of the NHL.

He isn't going to win too many puck battles in the corner or along the wall, but he puts a lot of effort into backchecking. I could see him developing a decent defensive game eventually even despite his size.

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For what it's worth Nelson said you can't give up on him yet. 1st year pro in NA and has gotten better all year.

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Toni Rajala's success has been a surprise for me. What can you tell me about his season aside his point production? I haven't seen any of his games so I'd like to know if his play looks like it could work in NHL rinks?
He played very well. He started out in the ECHL which was not surprising since the Oilers kids were down on the farm. He really lit up the ECHL and eventually got a call up to the Barons in November. He played very well in his first game up, but was sent back down after 5 games. In January he was back up for good.

From January on he was a consistent threat. Certainly the Baron's most dangerous player. He seem to mesh well with most people he played with. He also managed to be a healthy +18 so he was clearly contributing at even strength and did not blead gaols against.

Overall a major pleasant surprise, though to be honest I actually liked what I saw of him in his last year of Junior.

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Has anyone mentioned that Samu Perhonen has been released by EDM? (meaning he simply wasn't offered a contract)

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Has anyone mentioned that Samu Perhonen has been released by EDM? (meaning he simply wasn't offered a contract)
I believe Bigos is no longer Oilers property too.

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I believe Bigos is no longer Oilers property too.
I think the plan is to let him test free agency, and if he can't land an NHL deal he'll be invited to camp and presumably signed to contract with OKC.

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I think the plan is to let him test free agency, and if he can't land an NHL deal he'll be invited to camp and presumably signed to contract with OKC.
Yeah, I remember seeing that. Still seems beyond stupid to me.

I don't understand how the Oilers think:

a) he can be worse than Plante and Teubert

or

b) that a 6'5'' 240lbs defenseman who can skate and has some puck skills won't get any interest from around the league

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They have until August 15. Would be nice to see something get done.

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