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06-01-2013, 01:36 AM
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5 years for $20mil is the absolute max I'd do. I'm not as high on Sammy as I once was.

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I just don't see a future with Gagner here. His defensive play and horrific faceoff history really limits him in the 2nd line center spot.

Wing? Am I wrong or was it two years ago that he started on the wing (after a fall into the boards in pre season) and was brutal. Everyone kept saying, "Well he is playing out of position".

I don't see a role for yet another small forward. Trade him while his value is high- package him up for our needed top 4 D man.

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I just don't see a future with Gagner here. His defensive play and horrific faceoff history really limits him in the 2nd line center spot.

Wing? Am I wrong or was it two years ago that he started on the wing (after a fall into the boards in pre season) and was brutal. Everyone kept saying, "Well he is playing out of position".

I don't see a role for yet another small forward. Trade him while his value is high- package him up for our needed top 4 D man.
I like Gagner, but I also am starting to question if he fits going forward. Biggest problem right now is that there's no one to replace him. So we either deal him to bring a d back and draft a centre (who likely won't be top 6 ready next year, so that doesn't work all that well unless we can find a 2C from free agency), or we trade him with other assets for a bigger 2C

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06-01-2013, 07:56 AM
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I can't wait till we trade Gagner for magic beans and toughness. Its going to be good times on this board when Gagner goes on to become an AllStar elsewhere. Rest assured I will be reminding everyone of how desperate they were to trade this flawed, mediocre player.

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Disagree, How would the picks help us? You want Horc as 2nd line C? I am sick of trading proven NHLers for picks and prospects.
Forest for the trees, forest for the trees.

Gagners only good in the one zone, from the opponents blue line back to the Oilers goal line, he struggles bigtime. He's a danger at both ends of the ice. Easily push off the puck, and is sub .500 in the faceoff circle.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, and Gagner, Hemsky and Horcoff all need to be gone. Get Kyle Wellwood in here to replace one of these guys. Better in every statistical category and for only 1/4 the money. Use 1 or 2 of these guys to move up and select Barkov in the coming draft.

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I can't wait till we trade Gagner for magic beans and toughness. Its going to be good times on this board when Gagner goes on to become an AllStar elsewhere. Rest assured I will be reminding everyone of how desperate they were to trade this flawed, mediocre player.
And if those magic beans end up better than he is? Gagner is a good offensive player, it's the rest of his game that 6 years in is still less than stellar. Of course I guess we could just give him a 5-7 year deal paying him $5 million + and hope that "he gets it" when he's 28-30 years of age. And if not, what do we have to lose?

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06-01-2013, 01:52 PM
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Draft a C and then sign Cullen or McDonald for $5 million for one year.

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Forest for the trees, forest for the trees.

Gagners only good in the one zone, from the opponents blue line back to the Oilers goal line, he struggles bigtime. He's a danger at both ends of the ice. Easily push off the puck, and is sub .500 in the faceoff circle.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, and Gagner, Hemsky and Horcoff all need to be gone. Get Kyle Wellwood in here to replace one of these guys. Better in every statistical category and for only 1/4 the money. Use 1 or 2 of these guys to move up and select Barkov in the coming draft.
Wellwood? What's next? Bring in Latendresse to replace Hall?

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06-01-2013, 02:01 PM
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I dont really care. If he wants to play those are the terms.
Look out Gagner, or this internet message board poster is going to negotiate your pants off!

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I don' think he's worth more than 4.3 or 4.4 over 4-5 years. If Gagner wants to win, and wants to stay here he's gonna need to follow in Ladi's footsteps and take a team friendly contract a bit. Could he hold out for more and maybe 4.8 from another team in a year, perhaps, but I don't think that's a guarantee by any means.

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Wellwood? What's next? Bring in Latendresse to replace Hall?
nah, MORE DRAFT PICKS, is the way we should go.

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06-01-2013, 03:58 PM
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I like Gagner's attitude, but I just don't know if he's a long term fit here.

Even if you move him to the wing ... that's Gagner, Eberle, and Yakupov on the wings, which is kind of a small group, not to mention that as a winger doesn't he prefer to play RW?

If you draft Lindholm/Monahan, then long term you should have a no.2 center waiting in the wings, maybe they can get some center depth that's OK for a year.

Even an Olli Jokinen for a year honestly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, he'd replace some of Gagner's offense, and is probably slightly better defensively and in the face off dot.

If you can move Gagner for defensive help like a Kulikov or Byfuglien (Winnipeg sounds like they're losing Burmistrov) ... I dunno. I think you have to consider it.


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I'm hoping for 5 years at 4 million, but I'm worried it will be more like 4 years at 5 million.

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I'm hoping for 5 years at 4 million, but I'm worried it will be more like 4 years at 5 million.
I have this feeling as well, if its the 5 million dollar mark, I can see something very similar to what we have with Horcoff now. It would be unlikely in my mind for him to live up to the 5 million a year and cause the same situation we have the captain. I think the whole point of resigning him is to trade him in a couple years when we have a more complimentary 2c for RNH. If we get Barkov at the draft Sam will be traded. If we get Monahan, who is considered to need more time Gagner will be resigned and play 2c next year.

Gagner + 2nd + something else for Gormley + Sammuelsson

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Hall RNH Eberle
? Barkov Yak
PRV Lander Samumelsson

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Please note this would be a couple years down the road

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And if those magic beans end up better than he is? Gagner is a good offensive player, it's the rest of his game that 6 years in is still less than stellar. Of course I guess we could just give him a 5-7 year deal paying him $5 million + and hope that "he gets it" when he's 28-30 years of age. And if not, what do we have to lose?
Maybe give him one colored contact lens so fans know what to expect.

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Maybe give him one colored contact lens so fans know what to expect.
He has more puck skills than Horcoff ever had, but that would be my worry, that he would either stagnate or worse and that he'd be this generation's Horcoff.

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I like Gagner's attitude, but I just don't know if he's a long term fit here.

Even if you move him to the wing ... that's Gagner, Eberle, and Yakupov on the wings, which is kind of a small group, not to mention that as a winger doesn't he prefer to play RW?

If you draft Lindholm/Monahan, then long term you should have a no.2 center waiting in the wings, maybe they can get some center depth that's OK for a year.

Even an Olli Jokinen for a year honestly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, he'd replace some of Gagner's offense, and is probably slightly better defensively and in the face off dot.

If you can move Gagner for defensive help like a Kulikov or Byfuglien (Winnipeg sounds like they're losing Burmistrov) ... I dunno. I think you have to consider it.
Gagner wouldn't get us Byfuglien

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06-01-2013, 10:41 PM
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Gagner wouldn't get us Byfuglien
Maybe not, but he's a 23 year old that just put up .8 ppg. If he's moved, he'll bring back more than people think.

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Gagner wouldn't get us Byfuglien
Teams that are starving for offensive centers would pay a good premium for a 23 year old center.

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I can't wait till we trade Gagner for magic beans and toughness. Its going to be good times on this board when Gagner goes on to become an AllStar elsewhere. Rest assured I will be reminding everyone of how desperate they were to trade this flawed, mediocre player.
The haters show up more than anyone in Gagner threads , but a lot of fans really like Gagner just seems like there is a lot who don't because they are so vocal in here.

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The haters show up more than anyone in Gagner threads , but a lot of fans really like Gagner just seems like there is a lot who don't because they are so vocal in here.
He seems like a nice enough guy, has skill, shows heart at times, it's not like this guy is worthless and gutless so he's bound to have fans. That said those that really want him to stay keep saying that his D will get better as will his faceoffs, etc. The bottom line is that RNH is our 1C going forward and we need more size or strength and defense from our 2C. Are you perfectly fine with Gagner being matched up against Kopitar, Thornton, Getzlaf, and Hanzal for 24 games next season and the season after, etc? Are you going to sit there and tell me that when we do make the playoffs that Gagner is going to thrive against teams that are much bigger and stronger when what constitutes a penalty changes? Answer honestly, do you think that we can beat these teams with him as a major part of our team?

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He seems like a nice enough guy, has skill, shows heart at times, it's not like this guy is worthless and gutless so he's bound to have fans. That said those that really want him to stay keep saying that his D will get better as will his faceoffs, etc. The bottom line is that RNH is our 1C going forward and we need more size or strength and defense from our 2C. Are you perfectly fine with Gagner being matched up against Kopitar, Thornton, Getzlaf, and Hanzal for 24 games next season and the season after, etc? Are you going to sit there and tell me that when we do make the playoffs that Gagner is going to thrive against teams that are much bigger and stronger when what constitutes a penalty changes? Answer honestly, do you think that we can beat these teams with him as a major part of our team?
Exactly. I could honestly see him as a 1C in the SE Division on a team that makes the playoffs. In our division? Ha.

BTW a buddy of mine saw him down in the Dominican this summer. All good, NHLers are allowed to take time off in the off-season. What wasn't cool was the comparison he made to the Schremp sugar****.

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He seems like a nice enough guy, has skill, shows heart at times, it's not like this guy is worthless and gutless so he's bound to have fans. That said those that really want him to stay keep saying that his D will get better as will his faceoffs, etc. The bottom line is that RNH is our 1C going forward and we need more size or strength and defense from our 2C. Are you perfectly fine with Gagner being matched up against Kopitar, Thornton, Getzlaf, and Hanzal for 24 games next season and the season after, etc? Are you going to sit there and tell me that when we do make the playoffs that Gagner is going to thrive against teams that are much bigger and stronger when what constitutes a penalty changes? Answer honestly, do you think that we can beat these teams with him as a major part of our team?
I like MacT's idea of moving him to wing next year. Hopefully bringing in that real 2C via draft or trade will help call off the dogs, though it's really a criticism of management's inability to field a competent roster.

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Turris got a nice return, I would expect Gagner to garnish the same.

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Exactly. I could honestly see him as a 1C in the SE Division on a team that makes the playoffs. In our division? Ha.

BTW a buddy of mine saw him down in the Dominican this summer. All good, NHLers are allowed to take time off in the off-season. What wasn't cool was the comparison he made to the Schremp sugar****.
This part flew over my head, are you saying that he didn't look very fit?

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I like MacT's idea of moving him to wing next year. Hopefully bringing in that real 2C via draft or trade will help call off the dogs, though it's really a criticism of management's inability to field a competent roster.
If we did that I guess he'd play LW across from Yakupov.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Gagner-?-Yakupov

I suppose that could work but we wouldn't be winning any puck battles on his side of the ice on the forecheck. Or do you have him as the offensive catalyst on the 3rd line instead surrounded with more beef?

Paajarvi/Bickell-?-Yakupov
Bickell/Paajarvi-?-Gagner

What would you be willing to pay for his services?

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