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06-02-2013, 01:11 PM
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The haters show up more than anyone in Gagner threads , but a lot of fans really like Gagner just seems like there is a lot who don't because they are so vocal in here.
Whenever theres a poll on this topic this is outed and reveals how many people are in favor of Gagner.

So its more than "seems" its fact.

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5 years for $20mil is the absolute max I'd do. I'm not as high on Sammy as I once was.
I am curious about this in particular. The last couple seasons have revealed what could be a huge Gagner upside and suggest a player on the brink of better things. Why would someone's opinion on the player go down at this time?

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06-02-2013, 01:15 PM
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I like Gagner's attitude, but I just don't know if he's a long term fit here.

Even if you move him to the wing ... that's Gagner, Eberle, and Yakupov on the wings, which is kind of a small group, not to mention that as a winger doesn't he prefer to play RW?

If you draft Lindholm/Monahan, then long term you should have a no.2 center waiting in the wings, maybe they can get some center depth that's OK for a year.

Even an Olli Jokinen for a year honestly wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, he'd replace some of Gagner's offense, and is probably slightly better defensively and in the face off dot.

If you can move Gagner for defensive help like a Kulikov or Byfuglien (Winnipeg sounds like they're losing Burmistrov) ... I dunno. I think you have to consider it.
Yak is going to be a strong forward. I could see him as a guy that goes through or around people. People forget that a very physical Yak was playing his rookie season. The guy is strong as an ox. He establishes leverage off his legs like crazy for a young player.
Don't be too worried, we have the guy Gagner could use in the lineup. As good teams have shown us even getting another strong player with some offensive upside could complement a line. Could even be a Hartikainen. Who knows.

Its a bit early to worry about it.

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06-02-2013, 07:47 PM
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2 years at 4.6 per.

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06-02-2013, 09:18 PM
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I say 4 years for 4.5 M per.

So $18M/4 years

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06-02-2013, 09:32 PM
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I say 4 years for 4.5 M per.

So $18M/4 years
Buy out Horcoff and give Gagner his raise.

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06-02-2013, 10:26 PM
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I know tons of people here want to run him out of town but in reality hes the best we have at 2nd line C and there is no way in hell I want Shawn Horcoff as our 2nd line C, Even if its short term. MacT seems to love him too so I doubt we will see him traded unless hes asking for the moon (6m+) which I highly doubt.

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06-03-2013, 12:41 AM
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This part flew over my head, are you saying that he didn't look very fit?
Yup.

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06-03-2013, 08:08 AM
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We have all summer to get him signed. What's the amount a player needs to reach in order to get 4 first round picks back? Like 4.6 mill?

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06-03-2013, 09:03 AM
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I like MacT's idea of moving him to wing next year. Hopefully bringing in that real 2C via draft or trade will help call off the dogs, though it's really a criticism of management's inability to field a competent roster.
So having to move a player to a new position after 6 seasons of him being unable to improve any of his weaknesses at center is managements fault?

Dont get me wrong management has had many faults. The biggest one being unwillingness to try to be competitive. But they are not to blame for SS's lack of development and physical limitations.

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06-03-2013, 09:12 AM
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We have all summer to get him signed. What's the amount a player needs to reach in order to get 4 first round picks back? Like 4.6 mill?
8.5ish or so.

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Yup.
I wouldn't worry to much about it unless it was an actual gut. I saw something on the Oilers website i think where they were making fun of Gagner for his beach body. I guess he's just one of those guys that doesn't ever look too defined, but he's still in really good shape. I can't say for sure if it's an issue, but i do remember seeing that.

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06-03-2013, 11:58 AM
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Buy out Horcoff and give Gagner his raise.
I'd much rather buy out Belanger than Horcoff. As crappy as his cap hit is, Belanger cannot play hockey. He can win faceoffs and that's it.

If only Gagner had Belanger's faceoff ability, that would solve A LOT of problems.

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06-03-2013, 12:44 PM
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8.5ish or so.
Heres what they are with the cap next season.

$ 1,024,845 - $ 1,552,794 2014 3rd round pick
$ 1,552,794 - $ 3,105,684 2014 2nd round pick
$ 3,105,684 - $ 4,658,386 2014 1st round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 4,658,386 - $ 6,211,182 2014 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 6,211,182 - $ 7,763,978 2014 1st round pick, 2015 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 7,763,978 - + 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 1st round picks

If someone was going to offer on Gagner, I would say its in the 4.6 - 6.2 range.

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Gagner is so inconsistent, is bad on faceoffs, and isn't up to par defensively for a 2C
I would be willing to give him 2 years but any more than that is stretching it. Especially when we are likely going to draft Monahan/Lindholm. 2 years 10 million. Take it or leave it.


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06-03-2013, 12:56 PM
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Heres what they are with the cap next season.

$ 1,024,845 - $ 1,552,794 2014 3rd round pick
$ 1,552,794 - $ 3,105,684 2014 2nd round pick
$ 3,105,684 - $ 4,658,386 2014 1st round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 4,658,386 - $ 6,211,182 2014 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 6,211,182 - $ 7,763,978 2014 1st round pick, 2015 1st round pick, 2014 2nd round pick, 2014 3rd round pick
$ 7,763,978 - + 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 1st round picks

If someone was going to offer on Gagner, I would say its in the 4.6 - 6.2 range.
I would take the picks and run away laughing.

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Gagner is so inconsistent, is bad on faceoffs, and isn't up to par defensively for a 2C
I would be willing to give him 2 years but any more than that is stretching it. Especially when we are likely going to draft Monahan/Lindholm. 2 years 5 million. Take it or leave it.
If there's anything Gagner isn't it's inconsistent.

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If there's anything Gagner isn't it's inconsistent.
He goes on point streaks and then he dissappears for long stretches.
This year he did the opposite as he dissappeared in the last part of the season where it matters the most. The year before he was on a brutal cold spell and then out of nowhere he has an 8 point night.
Sam Gagner is inconsistent

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06-03-2013, 01:07 PM
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Gagner is so inconsistent, is bad on faceoffs, and isn't up to par defensively for a 2C
I would be willing to give him 2 years but any more than that is stretching it. Especially when we are likely going to draft Monahan/Lindholm. 2 years 5 million. Take it or leave it.
He made 3.2 million last season and had a good year. Hes not going to drop to 2.5 million.

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He wade 3.2 million last season and had a good year. Hes not going to drop to 2.5 million.
I meant 2 years 5 million per year

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I am curious about this in particular. The last couple seasons have revealed what could be a huge Gagner upside and suggest a player on the brink of better things. Why would someone's opinion on the player go down at this time?
He's going into his 7th year in the league and still has the same issues that he had as in his 1st season. The potential card is on its last legs, he is what he is, and it's not a guy who can carry a team offensively or defensively.

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How many #2 centers are consistent offensively?

Krecji and Bergeron both had stretches at the end of the year where they had 1 point in 9 games.

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If there's anything Gagner isn't it's inconsistent.
So far in his career, being inconsistent is the one thing he's kept consistent. Maybe not effort wise, though, but most definitely production wise.

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How many #2 centers are consistent offensively?

Krecji and Bergeron both had stretches at the end of the year where they had 1 point in 9 games.
At least those players can shut down the other lines when they are on their cold spells
Can Gagner be a shutdown C?

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06-03-2013, 01:50 PM
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So far in his career, being inconsistent is the one thing he's kept consistent. Maybe not effort wise, though, but most definitely production wise.
That's just it. At least when Gagner is in a cold spell production wise, he tries to do other things to support the team. You get an extremely consistent effort out of Gags

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