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06-02-2013, 12:29 PM
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The Hawks were sure they had Khabibulin for years ... the Nuks thought the same with Luongo .... the Isles locked up Dipietro for a lifetime ... all slipped in their play. It is better to have a pipeline constantly developing a potential starter and eventually have to trade that player away or have him serve as a backup than it is to start the trend of moving players far too soon in their development and never have that piece if needed. Looking towards the future, Hellberg's presence allowed us to move Lindback. Who is in the pipeline that allows us to move Magnus? Definitely not Chet Pickard. Our latest signing hasn't played a game in NA yet.

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06-02-2013, 12:39 PM
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Attitude or situation. He gets more money in KHL than he will get during his ELC. In AHL that drops to maybe 10% of his KHL salary. There are only few of us who would take a job at 10% of the salary we are getting now.

I wouldn't put that on bad attitude. It's just that Russian prospects are in an unfortunate situation with the ****loads of money paid in KHL. The risks with playing in AHL aren't covered enough with the AHL salary for them to turn down the millions of KHL.
Not to mention he has nothing to learn in the AHL, the KHL is a more advanced league.

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06-02-2013, 06:36 PM
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Kessel for the 4

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06-02-2013, 06:56 PM
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Kessel for the 4
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Kessel for the 4
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06-02-2013, 08:19 PM
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Kessel for the 4
If it wasn't for how little is left on his contract then this is ye level it would take. Now if he came with a 5+ year extension then a much different story

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06-02-2013, 08:58 PM
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If it wasn't for how little is left on his contract then this is ye level it would take. Now if he came with a 5+ year extension then a much different story
Perhaps. I still don't like the idea of trading out of #4 for a winger, no matter how long he is signed for.

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06-02-2013, 10:38 PM
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Not to mention he has nothing to learn in the AHL, the KHL is a more advanced league.
That's all great but if your not willing to take whatever steps to make the roster of an NHL i don't want you.

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06-03-2013, 08:19 AM
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That's all great but if your not willing to take whatever steps to make the roster of an NHL i don't want you.
Why would a NHL team send him to the AHL, if it would actually be a step backwards? At that point you would have to question his talent or the organizations thought process.

It would be like asking a college player, turning pro, to go back and play on a high school team.

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06-03-2013, 08:30 AM
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Umm no it wouldn't. Last time i checked players do rehab assignments and develop in the AHL. You cannot do that with the KHL. Is he going to go run back to the KHL if he is scratched for a length of time because he is not totally ready and is on a one way contract to fancy his demands? It's sounds like he us a bad apple Russian and we do not need another one to be honest

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06-03-2013, 09:11 AM
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I'm with Smashville on this one. If he's already making demands about where he wants to play then I'm not interested

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06-03-2013, 09:14 AM
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If Poile and his scouts like Lindholm or Monahan better than Barkov, or see them as equal, I hope they strongly consider trading back to #5/6/7. We could easily pick up a 2nd for doing that, or maybe a top 4 D. Personally, I wouldn't, just because I think Barkov is special, but there are people much smarter than me who get paid to do this. IPWT

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06-03-2013, 09:18 AM
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I'm with Smashville on this one. If he's already making demands about where he wants to play then I'm not interested
I'm with you two on this

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06-03-2013, 09:21 AM
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I totally understand where the kid is coming from, but that has to be a massive red flag for Poile. I could see us taking Barkov, Lindholm, or Drouin (if by some miracle he is there), but I just don't see Nich in gold.

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06-03-2013, 09:46 AM
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WARNING: EKLUND CONTENT BELOW. If you don't like the source, just don't comment on it.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...5#.UaydokDqmuQ

Discussing that there is a lot of interest in Nich...


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Of the teams with the best shot at him, Nashville could probably use his skills the most, but may also be the most gun shy following the Radulov fiascos...however there really is no reason to look at Valeri Nichushkin in the same light as Radulov.

The Preds have honestly never had a player like Valeri Nichushkin. A monster winger who can take over games with strength, skating, and finesse. The Preds have basically made their living off of big, strong defensemen and speedy middle to smaller sized forwards...

"He's Malkin, but with more of a desire to use his size to his advantage and drive the net," another source added.
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But back to the trade rumors. The Bolts, Preds and Hurricanes are going to be tempted by some serious offers. Not quite "Lindrosian" type of offers, but they could see as many as two current top six forwards and an a first round pick for the opportunity to draft Valeri Nichushkin and it will be interesting to see if the immediate gains of such an offer is enough to look past the immense upside of Nichushkin...

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06-03-2013, 09:55 AM
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Re: Colorado goaltending-Varlamov isn't an old man and they have the good Pickard in their system and should be ready for NHL backup duty now

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06-03-2013, 10:32 AM
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I totally understand where the kid is coming from, but that has to be a massive red flag for Poile. I could see us taking Barkov, Lindholm, or Drouin (if by some miracle he is there), but I just don't see Nich in gold.
I see it as well but you don't come in making demands on what you are or not going to do when you have yet to piss on NHL ice. Just seems like a big indicator. If he says that over the AHL i can just see him being a problem when he is not getting the ice time or playing a way he does not totally agree with. You make a mistake and boom here we are talking about another Rads and what could have been.

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Discussing that there is a lot of interest in Nich...
Why should he not be looked at in the same light as Rads? Both have skill/ability and Nich is making red flags already..
Maybe someone can explain?

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06-03-2013, 10:50 AM
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Why should he not be looked at in the same light as Rads? Both have skill/ability and Nich is making red flags already..
Maybe someone can explain?
I assume he is saying "They're different people, not all Russians are the same as Radulov" and while I agree, we have to be aware of the "Russian factor" and at least consider it. I don't have as big of a problem with Nich's no-AHL thing, since I think he'll be in the NHL next year anyways, but I agree that Poile doesn't take a shot at him.

That said, if Nich really is flying up draft boards, lets see if we can play our cards right and drop back to #5, still getting Barkov and gaining an extra pick or something.

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06-03-2013, 10:58 AM
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If this dude has Malkin talent though, it would be hard to pass up.

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If this dude has Malkin talent though, it would be hard to pass up.
My gut tells me "If he has Malkin talent, he would be going 1st overall, not regarded as a tier below", but hey, who knows? That said, a team offered "two top 6 forwards and a 1st round pick" tells me that he's highly regarded for sure. Or Eklund is nuts.

Still praying Tampa takes him at #3 and we get Drouin.

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Why would the Preds take Drouin over Barkov?

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Why would the Preds take Drouin over Barkov?
Why would they not? If they did, I'd guess because they think a dynamic winger is a bigger need than a 2 way center. Please use something other than hf and youtube for references in your answer, neither is a legit source for scouting.

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Why would the Preds take Drouin over Barkov?
I haven't seen anyone live, but from what I've heard, this is how the forwards in this class somewhat break down. Again, just what I've heard.

Mackinnon - Tavares
Drouin - P. Kane
Barkov - Thornton
Nichushkin - Nash
Monahan - Kesler
Lindholm - ?

Personally, I'd rather have a Kane than a Thornton, but I'd be perfectly happy with either. Drouin is supposed to be the kind of player you build an offense around. He is that dynamic scorer we've been missing. Barkov is a great player, and will contribute in a lot of ways, but his scoring ceiling isn't Drouin-level.

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