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06-01-2013, 12:53 PM
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A first-rounder + a prospect (I don't know whether Colborne was a reclamation project from the Leafs' standpoint or not)? Who would pay that much for Markov?
Far, far stranger things have happened. Defensemen have excellent trade value for teams on a cup run and are often traded for surprising packages. First round picks don't help much when you want to win ''now'' but elite level PPQBs certainly do.

Hey Rivet, who's main quality was being a veteran and decent PKer did go for a first and a prospect. Its a terrible trade for the sharks in hindsight (a lot of deadline trades are for the buyer, in hindsight) but it goes to show that Markov can definitely garther that kind of value, or more.

Anyways I think the Habs should only trade him if they are offered a premium package and are out of the playoff picture at the deadline (which is were he would have more value). There is absolutely no point in moving him on draft day or in the summer. Cap wise we don't ''need'' to move him and if we did need space he wouldn't be the first to go. On the team he definitely has a role, he might very well be one of the league's best no2 defensemen. Hopefully his year of playing helps him fully regain game shape while Therrien gives him a bit less ice time. Have Subban play 25+ mins, Markov can play between 20 and 24.


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Team like 2012-13: Win, Buf, CLB would all have made the PO with Markov on their PP.

Same with Montreal 2011-12.
Desharnais, Diaz, PK, Pac, Plek and Gionta (a bit less) were all there but we had the third worst PP% in the league.

Difference is Markov.

As for defense, I guess MTL coaching staff knows better:
Behind Gorges, there were three d-men sharing SH TOI/G equally: Diaz, Markov, Emelin.
But during the PO, PK was shared between Diaz and Gorges.

Not saying that we should trade him but just showing the value of this player.

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I've always evaluated our dmen well. I do not support trading Markov for nothing. However there are better dmen on the market for lesser cap hits right now who are probably worth very little (Bieksa comes to mind). The fact is, Markov is making number 1 money and is performing like a 4/5 dman. That equals pretty much no trade value. Any team that has Markov as a top pairing dman is going nowhere and its time we accept that. Subban right now is better than Markov ever was, and we just simply can't have a guy who can't kill penalties and is a liability 5 on 5 eating up almost 6 million in cap space.
great great post my friend . Also consider this , our D is swiss cheese and we saw it in the playoffs . Relying on Markov at this stage moving forward knowing we are nowhere close to competing for a title just makes your point even more relevant .

This isn`t Reghier who just signed a cap friendly 2 year deal to be a defensive piece on a stanley cup champion team , this is a soon to be 35 year old who lost 2 steps and is not a reliable 5/5 defender playing major minutes , making big money .

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Team like 2012-13: Win, Buf, CLB would all have made the PO with Markov on their PP.

Same with Montreal 2011-12.
Desharnais, Diaz, PK, Pac, Plek and Gionta (a bit less) were all there but we had the third worst PP% in the league.

Difference is Markov.

As for defense, I guess MTL coaching staff knows better:
Behind Gorges, there were three d-men sharing SH TOI/G equally: Diaz, Markov, Emelin.
But during the PO, PK was shared between Diaz and Gorges.

Not saying that we should trade him but just showing the value of this player.
I dont trade him unless I get decent value , if VCR wants to dump Hamhuis to save a few cap years he is gone

but moving forward with him beyond 2014 is not what I would do

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Do you think Markov and Georges could get us Simmonds? I'm sure it may not be enough but from what I see most players are overrated and go for a lot less than expected like some here would think it would take 2 Crosby's to get Simmonds but nevertheless, Markov & Georges + or good as is straight up. Yes I realize it's 2 of our Dmen but they can be replaced with stronger crease clearers at a cheaper price I think plus we have enough puck movers on the back end imo

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An aging, injury prone, increasingly ineffective, overpaid pp specialist. Pretty much nothing. Certainly not until deadline time when somebody inevitably panics and tries to catch lightning in a bottle.
You know about Chelios right? And you think Marky should be gone now? Just watch. He might make a lot of guys on this board look like fools. No way he is gone next year.

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The worst part about that year is that the Canadiens held on to Souray. Imagine what they could have got for him?
It would have been sad at the time but he was a UFA and walked anways.
I was going nuts on these boards trying to convince guys that Souray had to be moved. He would have gotten us a 12-25 first, I'm sure. And maybe a prospect.

He was a perfect fit for a contender trying to win it all that year.

That is EXTREMELY rare for a UFA at deadline. You cannot pass that up.

It was not moving Souray at the deadline that made me give up on Gainey.

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that's the difference between you and me.

I think with my brain, you think with your heart.

Markov was exposed last season. He is now only effective as a power play specialist. Markov gave us a lot of good years, but he is easily replaceable now.
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Markov has to waive NMC. I don't know about Nystrom, but what about their 2nd and PS? I hear talks that he's regressed a lot but is there a chance he's not on the right team aka he's too low on the depth chart to be given a chance to excel again? Just a thought, don't ream me please .



Dont' trade Markov if either Markov is playing well, Bealieu is playing well in the AHL or both. Markov is injury prone with those knees and having a very suitable replacement in Beaulieu come up should Markov get injured (PO time or Regular Season) is highly valuable. Now if we're not even contending for a PO spot, trade Markov for prospect(s)/pick(s) and hope (please hockey gods) that he wants to come back to MTL as he LOVES it here, and I mean actually loves playing here (unlike another roster player we know ).

Also after next season, if Markov does play well, re-sign at 1 year at 5.75 or less (yes that much if he ends up getting 50-60 pts as a defenseman) or at 2 years at 4.5 or less. IMO, I don't think Beaulieu will not be an everyday NHL defenseman contributing offensively for us until 2015 at the earliest. Until such a point where management believes Beaulieu is ready to be an everyday in the big time, keep Markov. Re-sign after 2014 to a 1-year deal is preferable but at slightly less cap hit for 2 years wouldn't be bad either, provided his stats stay up.



Are you on drugs? Just to explain my earlier post, we got the Wiz, another injury prone, offensive defenseman that has lesser vision and defensive ability than Markov and we gave up a 2nd rounder for him. Markov should go for a secound round plus a 2nd/3rd line projected prospect or a low 1st round draft pick (20-30).

If Markov plays as well or slightly worse than he did last year (in terms of stats) and we're shipping him at the deadline for whatever reasons (most likely out of contention), then look for MB to make a sizeable return for him.



Please not to BOS/BUF, don't want to see Markov scoring on us in these division games. Preferably goes to WPG (a Canadian team I want to make the POs and be successful), PHX as they are outside the "conference" for next year. Wouldn't be mad if he could be traded to CAR or CBJ.



I don't understand how 19 pts in 54 GP for a defenseman in the POs is a ZERO?

That's on pace for approximately 35 PTS in an 82 game stretch. Not typical Marky Mark numbers but considering recently he's been injury prone and add to the fact that we sucked big time his year in the POs, i'll take it.

Subban can learn from Markov. What people mean by this statement is that Markov is an unflashy, productive and defensively sound defenseman (before the injuries). PK is the opposite in some of these respects: flashy, still productive, but not as defensively sound as Markov once was. This what PK needs to learn, how to be productive and not as flashy, something he's worked on and done for most of this season but would try to do too much, be flashy, and have it backfire sometimes.
It's just my opinion that Markov is pretty much invisible in playoffs (can't even deny this but again...imo...that's what I see).

And he doesn't even help the PP in playoffs (and then some now will say ''playoffs is not all about PP''...and I never said that!, but still...would be nice if Markov could be a warrior in playoffs or help the PP in playoffs...something! but we all know it will never happen). But I'm actually getting tired of myself being against Markov! I was actually happy he stayed healthy this season, but...it was all for nothing in the end. I guess we just have to wait a bit more and see what happens to Markov 'cause imo there's no way Bergevin will/should give him 3 more years!! If it happens...

And, I agree with the other part...about Subban being flashy (and I love it! of course not everyone does...but I understand the point you were trying to make...or made).

Cheers!

Go Markov Go!! (go away...please!).

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Thats actually what fans who have no clue think. Thinking he's one hit away from a career is a purely emotional reaction to having seen him miss nearly entire seasons recently. He's had a purely accidental injury (skate cut - Gordie friggin Howe would have missed dozens of games) and then another from which he seemingly recovered (and so did a ton of players who came back and played long careers. At the same age like, 10 years ago, Selanne was also ''one hit away from a career'' exactly the same way).

How does his salary hurt the team? Please, tell me, and then explain me how exactly is he untradeable in case there is nobody else to move and we really need an extra 6m to so we can, say, trade for a 12m player without giving back any salary? Or perhaps there is a mega free agent available next summer that really wants to sign with the Habs and nobody noticed? Please, enlighten me about that hurtful truth. The Habs have a healthy cap situation with Gomez, Kaberle (soon to be), Cole/Ryder (won't be re-signed).




We can definitely get a first and other assets for Markov. Have you seen the price of defensemen these days? Besides the first rounder would be 20 to 30 overall likely, nobody expects Calgary or Colorado to trade assets for an over 30 player. Markov would be of great help to any good team with a so-so powerplay or needing another PMD.
I'll give you that...Markov has been jinxed in the health department (and we've lost many 2nd rnd picks trying to replace him whenever he was injured,etc).
But even when healthy...he doesn't UP his game in the playoffs...never saw him do it. What I did see is...his the magic act (he's almost invisible in the playoffs).

But on the positive...this season I was actually happy that Markov stayed healthy. Other than that...slow as a turtle and will get slower imo). Get a 1st rnd pick + decent prospect while you can for him! Or a 2nd rnd pick + good prospect,etc,etc...hopefully some GM will give us something good for Markov, but I have a feeling Markov will retire here. And I'll continue complaining about Markov until he either retires or leaves our Habs! Getting a bit tired of my own complaints about Markov, but at least I can admit that I was happy that he stayed healthy this season!!


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You know about Chelios right? And you think Marky should be gone now? Just watch. He might make a lot of guys on this board look like fools. No way he is gone next year.
Chelios wasn't making 5.75 million/year when he could only play a limited role. We are obviously going to be stuck with Markov's contract for next season, but if there is a chance of moving him for any sort of asset we need to think with our brains and not our hearts and take it. Just like when the Red Sox traded Nomar.

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If Markov is moved, then PK's points are gonna take a hit, and the powerplay is gonna drop considerably. For a team that relies on a pp to generate offence, that is just a dumb move. Next year will be the telling point to see if he can regain his mobility, as that was the only really issue I saw. Hockey sense-wise, he is second to no-one on this team. The way he steps up to intercept passes as the other team comes up the ice, no one else on this team can do. If he doesn't recover his mobility, he is still better offensively & defensively) than Gorges, Diaz, Bouillion, and any other guy you want to throw in there. No one moves the puck up like he does. So if you want to move him, good luck finding someone who can do everything he does. It will be difficult, and it will cost us quite a bit.
Habs will have to learn to play without Markov. Little bird Subban will have to learn to fly without him too. Habs are in a rebuild, they should consider parting ways with him.

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Habs will have to learn to play without Markov. Little bird Subban will have to learn to fly without him too. Habs are in a rebuild, they should consider parting ways with him.
it will have to come to that eventually, Markov is already 30+ and with the injuries he had I doubt he'll play till he's 40+...

I don't think P.K. is ready to be a true #1 yet, he still has a lot to learn, mostly how to manage and control games, we also need Beaulieu and Tinordi to be better and at least one of them capable of playing on the top 4 on a regular basis.

At the end of the day, no matter what we think of Markov play, it's still true that we can't win without him.

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If Gorges isn't a top 4 by your standards, then I think you over-estimate the average quality of the best 4 defensemen on a typical team. Look at the 3rd or 4th guy on each team, not all that many are more effective than Gorges.
Gorges is barely top 4 by my standards. Habsfanatics is 100% right. Look at the 3rd 4th guy on Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Minnesota, Ottawa, New Jersey, St. Louis, Vancouver, Washington. Outside of maybe Minnesota and possibly New Jersey, he's marginally their 4th D, let alone 3rd. Stop over-valuing Gorges. He's a #3/#4 D man on a team with very little depth on defense at the NHL level.

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I've always evaluated our dmen well. I do not support trading Markov for nothing. However there are better dmen on the market for lesser cap hits right now who are probably worth very little (Bieksa comes to mind). The fact is, Markov is making number 1 money and is performing like a 4/5 dman. That equals pretty much no trade value. Any team that has Markov as a top pairing dman is going nowhere and its time we accept that. Subban right now is better than Markov ever was, and we just simply can't have a guy who can't kill penalties and is a liability 5 on 5 eating up almost 6 million in cap space.
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great great post my friend . Also consider this , our D is swiss cheese and we saw it in the playoffs . Relying on Markov at this stage moving forward knowing we are nowhere close to competing for a title just makes your point even more relevant .

This isn`t Reghier who just signed a cap friendly 2 year deal to be a defensive piece on a stanley cup champion team , this is a soon to be 35 year old who lost 2 steps and is not a reliable 5/5 defender playing major minutes , making big money .
At the time (meanwhile still injured) his stats before this contract showed that he deserves #1 money, even though it's not considered upper echelon #1 money (Phaneuf makes just about the same as him, if not more and he had better seasons than him in Calgary). Add to the fact that not only could he score points, but he could stop plays from happening too. Now everything changed really once he couldn't come back after a year from a knee injury, but hey we got unlucky in that respect. He comes back and still puts up huge numbers for a guy who missed most of 2 seasons and despite being bad defensively, i'll give him a pass because of what i said above and that he played 48 games in about 3 months and 34 games before that in about the same time as well in Russia.

If you propose Bieksa for Markov, I will actually laugh because everyone knows that Markov is more valuable than Bieksa (even post-injury).

Honestly, you are undervaluing Markov because your basing his value on this year alone. There are barely any Dmen with better vision, offensive skill than Markov. You don't trade a guy like that for nothing people.

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I dont trade him unless I get decent value , if VCR wants to dump Hamhuis to save a few cap years he is gone

but moving forward with him beyond 2014 is not what I would do
What if he scores 50 points next year? Do you not move forward with him beyond 2014 still?

Honestly people, you have to wait because there is only one way IMO that we are trading Markov and it's contigent on a couple things:

1) He waives his NMC and,

2) We are out of PO contention (serious contention) by the deadline.

If that isn't the case, we keep Markov till the end of 2013-14 season and if his production is still reasonably high (40+ points) then you sign him to a 1-2 year deal in the 2014 offseason. Letting him go without getting value back (a SC or prospects/picks/player(s)) is just plain stupid.

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It's just my opinion that Markov is pretty much invisible in playoffs (can't even deny this but again...imo...that's what I see).

And he doesn't even help the PP in playoffs (and then some now will say ''playoffs is not all about PP''...and I never said that!, but still...would be nice if Markov could be a warrior in playoffs or help the PP in playoffs...something! but we all know it will never happen). But I'm actually getting tired of myself being against Markov! I was actually happy he stayed healthy this season, but...it was all for nothing in the end. I guess we just have to wait a bit more and see what happens to Markov 'cause imo there's no way Bergevin will/should give him 3 more years!! If it happens...

And, I agree with the other part...about Subban being flashy (and I love it! of course not everyone does...but I understand the point you were trying to make...or made).

Cheers!

Go Markov Go!! (go away...please!).
I would give him 3 more years (2013-14 till 2015-16) if he gets 40+ points a season and is signed to a top 4 defenseman cap hit (under 4 million per year).

I think you're not realizing that the last POs Markov played before this year was 2008-09 where the team was in dysfunction in the dressing room and got swept by the B's. 2007-08 he had 4 points in 12 GP: a little underwhelming for Markov but was only 2 points away from playing like Markov from that year. 2005-06 he played bad. 2003-04 he played great for us and 2001-02 he played great for a sophmore in the NHL.

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I've always evaluated our dmen well. I do not support trading Markov for nothing. However there are better dmen on the market for lesser cap hits right now who are probably worth very little (Bieksa comes to mind). The fact is, Markov is making number 1 money and is performing like a 4/5 dman. That equals pretty much no trade value. Any team that has Markov as a top pairing dman is going nowhere and its time we accept that. Subban right now is better than Markov ever was, and we just simply can't have a guy who can't kill penalties and is a liability 5 on 5 eating up almost 6 million in cap space.
I think you don't realize what a #5 Dman is around the NHL if you think that's all Markov is. Then again, you cried over not re-signing Wiz so I can't say I'm surprised.
Markov is making #1 money, finished the year as the D averaging most minutes per game, on the 2nd seed team in the East, scoring 30pts in 48gp after playing just 20games in the past two seasons, top 5 in pts by Dman, 2nd in PP pts by Dman. Those are facts, not subjective opinion based on watching games from your couch.
But you're right, any team that has Markov has a top pairing is going nowhere, except 2nd seed halfway through a year. Very unpromising indeed.

How you use your Dmen depends on how your squad is made up and how you use them. Subban had no business being used as a bottom pairing guy, or a 2nd pairing one for half the year. That was retarded. I'll never understand it.
PK/Gorges is our top pair. Markov can handle 20ish minutes on the 2nd pair versus weaker opponents with reduced ES time and heavy PP minutes. His contract finishes next year, nothing to cry about and if you keep repeating that his trade value is non-existent, then he is a lot more valuable to us if he can finish the year as top 5 in the NHL in terms of pts.

You also fall to conclusion based on 40ish games after he played 20 in 2 years. You further focus your evaluation on his drop in performance over the later part of the year but dismiss to acknowledge the fact the whole team dropped in terms of performance over the same stretch. He wasn't the only one that slowed down. Matter of fact, you'll have a hard time naming me a handful of players that didn't.

Bieksa is a much bigger defensive liability than Markov. Not only that, but his cap hit is 4.6M over another 3 years. In no way is he a better choice than Markov, not even close.

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Lets not be too short sighted.

Markov is no longer able to play 20 + minutes per game effectively. His is however an experienced defender who, if his minutes are managed properly can still be effective in a limited role. ELITE puck moving defensemen who consistently make a PP in the top 5 in the league do not appear every day. His contract is too big for this role.... but he would probably sign @ a discount after next year, at which point our younger guys should be able to step up the minutes. The challenge is for next season. PK is ready to play 25 + minutes. I see him paired with Tinordi or Emelin to reduce some of the physical burden. We need another D capable of eating 20+ Minutes who is physical.

Next year

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The only way I trade Markov is if we're out of playoffs. There are plenty of teams who'd take him just for PP....imagine how scary Pit would be with this guy.

I think NYR might be a good trading partner because they have depth at D we could use, but we've also got tons of prospects!

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Lets not be too short sighted.

Markov is no longer able to play 20 + minutes per game effectively. His is however an experienced defender who, if his minutes are managed properly can still be effective in a limited role. ELITE puck moving defensemen who consistently make a PP in the top 5 in the league do not appear every day. His contract is too big for this role.... but he would probably sign @ a discount after next year, at which point our younger guys should be able to step up the minutes. The challenge is for next season. PK is ready to play 25 + minutes. I see him paired with Tinordi or Emelin to reduce some of the physical burden. We need another D capable of eating 20+ Minutes who is physical.

Next year

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The only way I trade Markov is if we're out of playoffs. There are plenty of teams who'd take him just for PP....imagine how scary Pit would be with this guy.

I think NYR might be a good trading partner because they have depth at D we could use, but we've also got tons of prospects!
Markov avg. almost 25 minutes per game this season. If you lower that to almost 22 minutes per game then we're fine aka 2nd line pairing.

Also, your evaluation of Markov's contract is wrong. I don't believe he's grossly overpaid, just slightly by about 750K per year.

Here are all the defenseman who are paid either above or at Markov's cap hit:

Suter
Weber
Doughty
Campbell
Chara
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Green
Timmonen
Seabrook

Enstrom

All the bolded players are, IMO, not as good as Markov. This is a fact. If you dispute any of these players, i'm going to call you out.

If Markov is overpaid, then so are all the bolded players too.

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Habs will have to learn to play without Markov. Little bird Subban will have to learn to fly without him too. Habs are in a rebuild, they should consider parting ways with him.
subban has already learned to fly without markov.markov needs alot less minutes to be effective.his knees just arent the same.

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subban has already learned to fly without markov.markov needs alot less minutes to be effective.his knees just arent the same.
His knees looked fine to me. He seems to be lacking speed and some mobility, but that might have to do with the fact he played 20 games in the 2 previous years.
But even if he doesn't gain back his speed and mobility, he has always been a smart Dman. He will have to adapt his game and play more of a positional game which means less pinching and smarter defense. No reason to think he won't be able to adjust.

Lidstrom slowed down considerably in his later year, yet he was still considered one of the best in the NHL.
Markov isn't Lidstrom, but he can adapt and remain a very very useful and key player.

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Do people not know how valuable Markov is to Montreal? Seriously, he is the most important player we have and for far more reasons than just his ability to produce points. Please, read the following:

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...without-markov

Last year when he was out we fell all the way to 3rd worst in the entire damned league. Yes, there were definitely other factors, but he was a primary one. This year, he comes back and we suddenly finish 2nd overall. He even finishes 4th overall for defencemen in terms of points. Also keep in mind that he played 69 games in his 1st season back from two brutal injuries (add his KHL and NHL totals for this year). Add to that the fact that he was playing over 24 minutes per night and getting targeted by opposing teams. Did you notice that with Markov to take the brunt of the opposing teams' focus, Subban was able to have a Norris caliber season? Again, I know that Markov was not the ONLY factor in our rise to 2nd in the conference, but he was a major one.

Man, it drives me nuts. Habs fans are supposed to be far better educated in terms of hockey IQ than I see on these damned boards. Markov should not be moved. Period. He is the engine that makes our team go forward. He brings a work ethic, drive, determination, mentoring, and leadership elements that we need along with incredible hockey skills and hockey IQ that is higher than most others in this league.

Please, read the article. I hope anyone who comes on here to tell me that he is old, injury prone, and slow will also read the article and look at what he did in the NHL this season.

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Markov avg. almost 25 minutes per game this season. If you lower that to almost 22 minutes per game then we're fine aka 2nd line pairing.

Also, your evaluation of Markov's contract is wrong. I don't believe he's grossly overpaid, just slightly by about 750K per year.

Here are all the defenseman who are paid either above or at Markov's cap hit:

Suter
Weber
Doughty
Campbell
Chara
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Green
Timmonen
Seabrook

Enstrom

All the bolded players are, IMO, not as good as Markov. This is a fact. If you dispute any of these players, i'm going to call you out.

If Markov is overpaid, then so are all the bolded players too.
Most of those are better than Markov, and most would also agree they are overpaid.

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Markov avg. almost 25 minutes per game this season. If you lower that to almost 22 minutes per game then we're fine aka 2nd line pairing.

Also, your evaluation of Markov's contract is wrong. I don't believe he's grossly overpaid, just slightly by about 750K per year.

Here are all the defenseman who are paid either above or at Markov's cap hit:

Suter
Weber
Doughty
Campbell
Chara
Bouwmeester
Boyle
Karlsson
Phaneuf
Green
Timmonen
Seabrook

Enstrom

All the bolded players are, IMO, not as good as Markov. This is a fact. If you dispute any of these players, i'm going to call you out.

If Markov is overpaid, then so are all the bolded players too.
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Most of those are better than Markov, and most would also agree they are overpaid.
Which one is better than Markov again? Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about...

How many of those players are 2-time NHL All-Stars, and how many of them were starters 2 years in a row?

Yeah didn't think so. Markov is the 7th best defenseman on that list.

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All depends what happens next season but if we are not in a playoff position by trade deadline or close to it the Habs and Bergevin are going to have some interesting decisions to make with Markov, Gionta, Bouillon and Diaz being UFA after next season. Could bring back some interesting picks

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if we're not in the playoffs race next season i could see Markov getting traded for prospect + pick

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