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06-04-2013, 07:54 AM
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I don't like Radulov, even though he plays for my team. Yes he's got world of talent, but he is not using it right, causes tons of turnovers, undisciplined, overplays his shifts, disrespectful to the refs.

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06-04-2013, 11:41 AM
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With all the active discussion I've missed this post:

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Nothing wrong defensively with something like this:
Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Radulov
Kulemin - Malkin - (maybe one of the young players)
Ovechkin - Tereschenko - Semin
Soin/Anisimov/Svitov/Kokarev/
I must say I kind of like this lineup Although I would switch Anisimov and Tereschenko, because I think that Anisimov is solid defensively and pretty good in generating the presence in front of the net, which is much needed for Ovechkin.

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Soin-Tereshenko-Kokarev would be a nice shut-down line.

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Soin-Tereshenko-Kokarev would be a nice shut-down line.
Yeah shut-down for Red machine kinda mechanical error...

But what about your precious defense-men ?
Kulikov, Emelin, Pedan, Voynov, Medvedev, Gonchar ?

Please ban Tyutin from NT forever. He is incarnated fail since 2010...

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I don't like Radulov, even though he plays for my team. Yes he's got world of talent, but he is not using it right, causes tons of turnovers, undisciplined, overplays his shifts, disrespectful to the refs.
Well, is is nothing special anyway, about that QMJHL average PPG 1,79 is quite nice.
You know who is better that he ? He`s got 1.91 PPG in QMJHL and born 1993

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Well, is is nothing special anyway, about that QMJHL average PPG 1,79 is quite nice.
You know who is better that he ? He`s got 1.91 PPG in QMJHL and born 1993
one can see his talent on the ice as well, but the ego and lack of discipline are negating some of it.

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Yeah shut-down for Red machine kinda mechanical error...

But what about your precious defense-men ?
Kulikov, Emelin, Pedan, Voynov, Medvedev, Gonchar ?

Please ban Tyutin from NT forever. He is incarnated fail since 2010...
why does pedan keep coming up over and over...not in the next 5 years for sure, and probably never.

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06-05-2013, 11:40 AM
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But what about your precious defense-men ?
Oh c'mon, you have seen it all too - we have no defense at all Ok, almost no defense: there is Voynov, who has never played a single NT game yet, there was Emelin, but nobody knows if he can get back from that injury and to the same level before Sochi and possibly Belov, if he adapts well in Edmonton... and that's basically all at the moment. I mean we have some high-class forwards, our goalies can be pretty solid, but defenders... I believe that in terms of defense we are behind Canada, USA, Sweden and probably even Czechs.

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I don't think Russia's defense is such a huge concern. Even comparing today's candidates to the previous Russian Olympic d-men, the 2014 group will have some key strengths.

If you look at the silver 1998 team: Gonchar, Gusarov, Kasparaitis, Kravchuk, the Mironovs, Yushkevich, and Zhitnik combined for 0 goals all tournament. Strong defensive group, but completely different style than any contemporary team.

2002: B. Mironov, D. Markov, Tverdovsky, Kasparaitis, Malakhov, Kravchuk, and Gonchar - a more involved group on offense.

2006: Zhukov, Vishnevsky, Volchenkov, Kasparaitis, D.Markov, A.Markov, Tyutin, Gonchar - combined for just 1 goal. Just three puck-moving guys, over-emphasis on stay-at-home d-men.

2010: Nikulin, Volchenkov, Kalinin, Korneev, Grebeshkov, Tyutin, Gonchar, A.Markov - 4 games was a small sample, but this group was overwhelmed when it mattered.

2014: Markov, Emelin, Voynov, Nikulin, and some variation of Medvedev/Kulikov/Gonchar/Tyutin/Belov/Nikitin/Volchenkov/etc. - the young rising players like Voynov should play a big part, and there looks to be decent depth (at least better than Grebeshkov, Korneev, etc.) I don't think there is a crisis or shortage of quality candidates. How they play together - who knows?

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06-05-2013, 03:57 PM
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Yeah shut-down for Red machine kinda mechanical error...

But what about your precious defense-men ?
Kulikov, Emelin, Pedan, Voynov, Medvedev, Gonchar ?

Please ban Tyutin from NT forever. He is incarnated fail since 2010...
What about them?

Kulikov, Emelin and Voynov are still young and are already NT caliber by all means. Mdevedev is a bit older and still a fine d-man.

Why are you mentioning Pedan? He's never had an invite to the NT for obvious reasons.

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Well, it depends on how to compare it: if we compare it to previous years team Russia defenders, then maybe it is not that bad (but we shouldn't forget the results in those previous years), but if we compare it to, for example, Sweden, then it is giving me some concerns and I'm not even trying to compare with Canada and US.

Also I think that this season was pretty bad for our defenders:

KHL defenders (except, maybe, Belov) totally failed at WC
Tyutin had a decent season in NHL, but failed at WC
Volchenkov had a horrible season, looks like all the injuries he had in the last few years damaged his level
Markov had a decent season returning after knee injuries, but he has lost all the speed, which was a problem even on small NHL rinks and definitely will be a defensive problem on large rinks
Gonchar is not the same anymore and, again, he is rather slow for large rinks
Emelin - injured, out until December
Kulikov - also a lot of injuries this season, hope the next season will be better
Nikitin - was rather bad at WC 2012, doesn't look like he had a lot of progress this season, although I've heard that he has improved in his defensive game
Orlov - was fighting with injuries and failed to get to the Washington roster
Voynov - he is fine, hope he will continue that way


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06-05-2013, 04:28 PM
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Well, it depends on how to compare it: if we compare it to previous years team Russia defenders, then maybe it is not that bad (but we shouldn't forget the results in those previous years), but if we compare it to, for example, Sweden, then it is giving me some concerns and I'm not even trying to compare with Canada and US.

Also I think that this season was pretty bad for our defenders:

KHL defenders (except, maybe, Belov) totally failed at WC
Tyutin had a decent season in NHL, but failed at WC
Volchenkov had a horrible season, looks like all the injuries he had in the last few years damaged his level
Markov had a decent season returning after knee injuries, but he has lost all the speed, which was a problem even on small NHL rinks and definitely will be a defensive problem on large rinks
Gonchar is not the same anymore and, again, he is rather slow for large rinks
Emelin - injured, out until December
Kulikov - also a lot of injuries this season, hope the next season will be better
Nikitin - was rather bad at WC 2012, doesn't look like he had a lot of progress this season, although I've heard that he has improved in his defensive game
Orlov - was fighting with injuries and failed to get to the Washington roster
Voynov - he is fine, hope he will continue that way
You really don't know a thing about our D. And other nation's D for that matter. For example is Sweden's D probably the deepest and comparable to Canada's and the US' D is not really near that level as you would suggest.

KHL D-men failed at WC? Really? Except for Belov??? REALLY??? What tournament were you watching? Unles you defend a standpoint from which if the team fails overall in the tournament then you can't say any player on the team was good. But that agian contradicts your (undeserved. he was pretty average) praise for Belov and your distinct bashing of KHL D-men.

Tyutin has become a clear cut small rink specialist. And he should be left off the roster for Sochi for this reason.

Volchenkov is not even a candidate with Bill. What is there to discuss?

It's Kulikov, Voynov, Emelin from the NHL and Nikulin, Mevedev from the KHL. There are 3 spots there for the taking. Your Mr.Right Belov will have a hard time making the team when he struggles in his first year in NA and I expect him to struggle at least at the beginning.


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KHL D-men failed at WC? Really? Except for Belov??? REALLY??? What tournament were you watching? Unles you defend a standpoint from which if the team fails overall in the tournament then you can't say any player on the team was good. But that agian contradicts your (undeserved. he was pretty average) praise for Belov and your distinct bashing of KHL D-men.
I'm not praising Belov, but at least I can't say he failed - tied with Denisov at +8 for the best plus-minus on the team, can't remember any mistakes from him (of course, I can't rewatch all the games now, maybe there were some). And yes, I agree that his transition to NA will cause him problems getting to Sochi, but I hope that he will be able to overcome them and will adapt to NA hockey successfully.

About other KHL guys:
Denisov was not so bad before the US game, but his behaviour at the US 6-th goal is a clear example how a defender shouldn't play in front of his own net
Nikulin, Medvedev, Biryukov - do you really think they didn't have a dissapointing tournament?
Ryasensky, Zaitsev - didn't play much, so it would be unfair to say if they have failed or succeed

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quick question: What happened to Grebeshkov?

2010 NT Dman who had a decent NHL career, generally regarded as a good player. Completely fell off. Even when I was watching the KHL this season during the lockout I heard nothing of him.

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Also I think that this season was pretty bad for our defenders:

KHL defenders (except, maybe, Belov) totally failed at WC
Tyutin had a decent season in NHL, but failed at WC correct
Volchenkov had a horrible season, looks like all the injuries he had in the last few years damaged his level correct, on his way down. Looks like injuries have tolled his body and slowed him down
Markov had a decent season returning after knee injuries, but he has lost all the speed, which was a problem even on small NHL rinks and definitely will be a defensive problem on large rinks I think Markov is still a canidate
Gonchar is not the same anymore and, again, he is rather slow for large rinks So wrong on this one. Gonchar showed he could still play on the big rink in Magnitka and hasn't lost a step in Ottawa. I think his footwork is still his best asset.
Emelin - injured, out until December Correct
Kulikov - also a lot of injuries this season, hope the next season will be better
Nikitin - was rather bad at WC 2012, doesn't look like he had a lot of progress this season, although I've heard that he has improved in his defensive game He was progressing really well until injuries hit him this year. Still could be a factor, Russia will need one or two big bodied guy back there.
Orlov - was fighting with injuries and failed to get to the Washington roster This guy deserves to be in the NHL, potential star Dman, has same tools Voynov. Very fast, mobile, has better hands than most forwards, physical, bomb from the point... AHL can no longer benefit him. Maybe he will be considered if he plays great in NHL next season.
Voynov - he is fine, hope he will continue that way Will be Russias #1 Dman without a doubt.
In case you haven't noticed, most defenseman are smallish offensive Dmen. The defensive big guys like Volchenkov (passed prime) and Nikitin (Borderline NT player) are all that is left it seems until Zadorov matures.. I can't think of any KHL guys who are big, fast. physical and skilled - any ideas? Shut down guy?


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are all that is left it seems until Zadorov matures
If we talk about prospects, there is not only Zadorov, also there are some big defensive young guys like Zakhar Arzamastsev and Valeri Vasilyev who can reach NT level in the future.

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So happy about voynovs emergence. Should be a big help back there. Gonchar can still play, was a number one d man on a playoff team. Then I think Kulikov should be on the team for his mobility. Leave Markov off, he's slow. Maybe Markov can be 7th defensemen, pp specialist.

Voynov
Nikulin
Kulikov
Gonchar
Emelin
Medvedev
Markov

Maybe something like

Emelin-Voynov
Nikulin-Gonchar
Medvedev-Kulikov
Markov


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If we talk about prospects, there is not only Zadorov, also there are some big defensive young guys like Zakhar Arzamastsev and Valeri Vasilyev who can reach NT level in the future.
Hopefully so. Daniil Markov used to be a really tough stay at home defenseman, but I don't know if he is capable anymore, I heard he had drinking problems? I also have hopes for Chudinov, he has a real mean streak in him.

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If we talk about prospects, there is not only Zadorov, also there are some big defensive young guys like Zakhar Arzamastsev and Valeri Vasilyev who can reach NT level in the future.
Ugh.

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Sochi training camp roster was announced today:

G
Barulin
Bobrovsky
Varlamov
Koshechkin
Nabokov

D
Biryukov
Voynov
Volchenkov
Gonchar
Denisov
Emelin
Markov
Medvedev
Nikitin
Nikulin
Ryasenskiy
Tyutin

FW
Anisimov
Varnakov
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Kokarev
Kuznetsov
Kulyomin
Malkin
Ovechkin
Perezhogin
Popov
Radulov
Syomin
Tarasenko
Tereschenko
Tikhonov
Shipachev
Yakupov

Some notable absentees: Bryzgalov, Petrov, Mozyakin, Soin, Loktionov, Zaitsev, Svitov, Belov and Kulikov all are out

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A bit disappointed to not see Soin and Kulikov there.

I wonder what it is Kulikov did to make Bob hate him so.

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I'm okay with this list at the exception of Kulikov

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Bilyaletdinov named the candidates for the upcoming Camp in Sochi (23.-24. August)

Goalies:
Barulin
Bobrovsky
Varlamov
Koshechkin
Nabokov

Defense:
Biryukov
Voynov
Volchenkov
Gonchar

Denisov
Yemelin
Markov
Medvedev
Nikitin
Nikulin
Ryasensky
Tyutin

Offense:
Anisimov
Varnakov
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Kokarev
Kuznetsov
Kulyomin
Malkin
Ovechkin
Perezhogin
Popov
Radulov
Syomin
Tarasenko
Tereshhenko
Tikhonov
Shipachyov
Yakupov

That means guys like Bryzgalov, Mozyakin, Kulikov, Belov, Svitov did not made it.


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imho the most funniest thing is to have Nikitin, Denisov and Biryukov in the roster and haven't got Dmitri Kalinin

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Mozyakin and Yeryomenko not making it is an absolute travesty.

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