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06-04-2013, 10:12 AM
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Weird comment. What exactly is before? You mean when hes played with an iffy shoulder since junior? He is going to get stronger and this surgery will be part of it.
I think he was refering to his phyisical size and strength pre injury. Even with a healthy shoulder he just doesn't have the muscle mass needed to protect it from getting hurt again. Happens all the time when kids first start playing contact sports and don't have enough built up to support their joints.

Simple answer: Nuge needs to hit the weights. Not get bulky, but develop enough muscle to hold his shoulder in to place should he slowly slide in to the boards again.

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06-04-2013, 03:00 PM
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I think he was refering to his phyisical size and strength pre injury. Even with a healthy shoulder he just doesn't have the muscle mass needed to protect it from getting hurt again. Happens all the time when kids first start playing contact sports and don't have enough built up to support their joints.

Simple answer: Nuge needs to hit the weights. Not get bulky, but develop enough muscle to hold his shoulder in to place should he slowly slide in to the boards again.
Winner! Very wise Sam.

LOL - "should he slowly slide into the boards again".

I've always been a bit worried about his size, and how easily he has gotten injured isn't very comforting. I'm not super-confident about his surgically repaired shoulder being protected by the same two ounces of muscle that didnt save him the last time.

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06-04-2013, 09:18 PM
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I think he was refering to his phyisical size and strength pre injury. Even with a healthy shoulder he just doesn't have the muscle mass needed to protect it from getting hurt again. Happens all the time when kids first start playing contact sports and don't have enough built up to support their joints.

Simple answer: Nuge needs to hit the weights. Not get bulky, but develop enough muscle to hold his shoulder in to place should he slowly slide in to the boards again.
RNH 6'1 185 as per NHL.com

Henrik Sedin 6'2 188 as per NHL.com

Can we agree that they have roughly the same frame? Can we agree they see roughly the same competition (in terms of steady dose of checking lines)? If so, how is it Sedin has played over 600 games straight without an injury while having arguably the same frame and muscle mass as RNH?

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RNH 6'1 185 as per NHL.com

Henrik Sedin 6'2 188 as per NHL.com

Can we agree that they have roughly the same frame? Can we agree they see roughly the same competition (in terms of steady dose of checking lines)? If so, how is it Sedin has played over 600 games straight without an injury while having arguably the same frame and muscle mass as RNH?
Luck? Maybe he just has Sedin just has flexible joints. Could be lots of reasons. Could even be down to the way they shoot or something like that.

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RNH 6'1 185 as per NHL.com

Henrik Sedin 6'2 188 as per NHL.com

Can we agree that they have roughly the same frame? Can we agree they see roughly the same competition (in terms of steady dose of checking lines)? If so, how is it Sedin has played over 600 games straight without an injury while having arguably the same frame and muscle mass as RNH?
If he's 6'1 185 so is Keira Knightley.

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If he's 6'1 185 so is Keira Knightley.
lol, truly.

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RNH 6'1 185 as per NHL.com

Henrik Sedin 6'2 188 as per NHL.com

Can we agree that they have roughly the same frame? Can we agree they see roughly the same competition (in terms of steady dose of checking lines)? If so, how is it Sedin has played over 600 games straight without an injury while having arguably the same frame and muscle mass as RNH?
I see how that would make sense at first, but no there's a difference in the physique of a 32 year old man and a teenager regardless of height and weight. Even a softy like sedin has an extra 12 or so years of weight training and physical conditioning that gives him a big advantage in terms of durability. Also just looking at Nuge without gear on I think it's pretty likely that he's quite a bit smaller than they list him at.

I'm not claiming to be an absolute expert on this topic, so if there's any kinesiolgy majors in here or people who work in the physio industry who think otherwise than feel free to speak up, but through my own experience with sport I've learned that this kind of injury is very common in young athletes who have yet to develop the muscle mass needed to support their shoulders. Remember the shoulder isn't like the hip joint where you have the femur actually firmly attached in to the hip socket, instead the shoulder is a much more shallow connection that requires support to keep it in place. Here's a link to some info about it, the 2nd paragraph down describes it much better than I can; http://www.yourfunctionalhealth.com/?p=1409

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Winner! Very wise Sam.

LOL - "should he slowly slide into the boards again".

I've always been a bit worried about his size, and how easily he has gotten injured isn't very comforting. I'm not super-confident about his surgically repaired shoulder being protected by the same two ounces of muscle that didnt save him the last time.
He's been playing with an injured shoulder since his days in Red Deer. Having a bionic shoulder will givehim a boost just like taylor hall this year was much improved

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If he's 6'1 185 so is Keira Knightley.
Ah, you cracked the conspiracy, I guess I should have dug deeper given how much the Oilers and the NHL stand to gain by listing a fake height and weight for RNH


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Ah, you cracked the conspiracy, I guess I should have dug deeper given how much the Oilers and the NHL stand to gain by listing a fake height and weight for RNH

Have you been living under a rock?
Pretty well known that players all around the league are rarely listed accurately. Why? Who knows, but it certainly happens.

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I see how that would make sense at first, but no there's a difference in the physique of a 32 year old man and a teenager regardless of height and weight. Even a softy like sedin has an extra 12 or so years of weight training and physical conditioning that gives him a big advantage in terms of durability. Also just looking at Nuge without gear on I think it's pretty likely that he's quite a bit smaller than they list him at.

I'm not claiming to be an absolute expert on this topic, so if there's any kinesiolgy majors in here or people who work in the physio industry who think otherwise than feel free to speak up, but through my own experience with sport I've learned that this kind of injury is very common in young athletes who have yet to develop the muscle mass needed to support their shoulders. Remember the shoulder isn't like the hip joint where you have the femur actually firmly attached in to the hip socket, instead the shoulder is a much more shallow connection that requires support to keep it in place. Here's a link to some info about it, the 2nd paragraph down describes it much better than I can; http://www.yourfunctionalhealth.com/?p=1409
Nice post and I agree. I think this applies to a lot of joints.

For instance that the best hitters in the game have well supported knee joints, musculature, and can withstand a lot of the contact and jarring in the hits they give out. Most solid hitters in the game have powerful legs and knee joints that are better protected, tuned, and strengthened.

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He's been playing with an injured shoulder since his days in Red Deer. Having a bionic shoulder will givehim a boost just like taylor hall this year was much improved
Taylor Hall had a well developed physique and powerful shoulders before the injury. Not so much with RNH. Not even similar.

What really needs to be considered here is how a pint sized RNH with virtually no musculature, (kid looks like a 15yr old) who will now face muscle atrophy through healing/recovery inaction for a long period of time is going to have any significant musculature to rebound with.

People that have well developed supporting musculature can recover from this quicker. I would imagine it takes a lot of time for RNH to even return to the *strength* he had.

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Have you guys seen the pictures of him at West Edmonton Mall water slides?

He is not 185 pounds, you'd be crazy to believe that. He's in the 160's.

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Taylor Hall had a well developed physique and powerful shoulders before the injury. Not so much with RNH. Not even similar.

What really needs to be considered here is how a pint sized RNH with virtually no musculature, (kid looks like a 15yr old) who will now face muscle atrophy through healing/recovery inaction for a long period of time is going to have any significant musculature to rebound with.

People that have well developed supporting musculature can recover from this quicker. I would imagine it takes a lot of time for RNH to even return to the *strength* he had.
Pretty much this. Hopefully they give him some extra time in rehab to build up strength after surgery, I have a feeling that's what they did with Hall, sometimes injuries can actually help an athlete cause it gives them the chance to properly gain strength in an area where they've been lacking. IF you give them time that is.

I wouldn't mind RNH being out until November/December if it means he's getting some proper rehab.

Let's face it, Ryan should have stayed an extra year in juniors with orders to hit the gym as much as possible. He was certainly NHL ready skill wise but not physically. Too late now and hopefully this surgery will be success but in hindsight he should've been given an extra year.

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I see how that would make sense at first, but no there's a difference in the physique of a 32 year old man and a teenager regardless of height and weight. Even a softy like sedin has an extra 12 or so years of weight training and physical conditioning that gives him a big advantage in terms of durability. Also just looking at Nuge without gear on I think it's pretty likely that he's quite a bit smaller than they list him at.

I'm not claiming to be an absolute expert on this topic, so if there's any kinesiolgy majors in here or people who work in the physio industry who think otherwise than feel free to speak up, but through my own experience with sport I've learned that this kind of injury is very common in young athletes who have yet to develop the muscle mass needed to support their shoulders. Remember the shoulder isn't like the hip joint where you have the femur actually firmly attached in to the hip socket, instead the shoulder is a much more shallow connection that requires support to keep it in place. Here's a link to some info about it, the 2nd paragraph down describes it much better than I can; http://www.yourfunctionalhealth.com/?p=1409

You're pretty much spot on. The shoulder is our bodys most flexible joint as it can move in all directions, unlike the knee, elbow or hip that are much more limited. The reason for this is that the shoulder more or less held in place by only ligaments and muscles, thus making it more vulnerable to injury. Especially for guy who aren't as developed, typically youngsters.

And there's just noway Sedin is just 188 pounds or RNH being as much as 185.

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Have you guys seen the pictures of him at West Edmonton Mall water slides?

He is not 185 pounds, you'd be crazy to believe that. He's in the 160's.
He was 175 pounds at his combine right before being drafted, it's unlikely he's back in the 160s after 2 years of NHL training and nutrition.

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Have you guys seen the pictures of him at West Edmonton Mall water slides?

He is not 185 pounds, you'd be crazy to believe that. He's in the 160's.
No? Do you know when pics were taken?

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Have you been living under a rock?
Pretty well known that players all around the league are rarely listed accurately. Why? Who knows, but it certainly happens.
So I should trust the speculation of Internet fanboys as opposed to the information gathered by a professional team at their yearly physical testing. Got it. I'll make the HFBOARDS hall of fame yet.

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Ah, you cracked the conspiracy, I guess I should have dug deeper given how much the Oilers and the NHL stand to gain by listing a fake height and weight for RNH

sports teams lie about their players size ALL THE TIME... this seems to be especially true in hockey, as it doesn't seem as common in football... i can't comment on whether this happens in basketball or baseball, but i know for a fact that it happens in hockey and football

i have no idea how heavy RNH actually is, all i'm saying is that teams list incorrect numbers *on purpose* all the time

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Have you guys seen the pictures of him at West Edmonton Mall water slides?

He is not 185 pounds, you'd be crazy to believe that. He's in the 160's.
Weight isn't as it appears at times. My buddy looks like he's 160ish, but is 195.

Weight and height are such useless gauges at times, but because it doesn't tell you what you really want to know and that's strength.

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Weight isn't as it appears at times. My buddy looks like he's 160ish, but is 195.
That is correct, muscle weighs more than fat.

I believe RNH is somewhere around 175-180 lbs at the moment, which obviously isn't a huge number for a NHL player...

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RNH isn't that weak or small, some of us are exaggerating a bit. There are plenty of guys who look similar to RNH that don't have injury problems and play an effective game. There's pictures of guys like Malkin, who was a twig early in his career, that prove this. RNH is pretty solid on his skates, I honestly don't think strength has been that much of an issue so far in his career, and he has time to develop it anyway.

Now, whether his shoulder is going to be an issue or not in the future is another story.

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That is correct, muscle weighs more than fat.

I believe RNH is somewhere around 175-180 lbs at the moment, which obviously isn't a huge number for a NHL player...
Careful now, you'll get guys arguing semantics with that comment. Muscle is more "dense" than fat.

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I just really hope he comes into camp(or later) in the best shape he's ever been.

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Geez. I'm starting to feel guilty for bumping this thread. It's turned into a bunch of health specialists and rocket scientists.

I just wanted to know how RNH was proceeding. I didn't expect biological faith healers plying their trade online!

Who'd a thunk?



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