Ahh nothing brings out Habs fans' insecurities more than Boston winning.
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i call it: begrudging respect. and i love their fourth line. still, they were through years of mediocrity to assemble this roster, and we currently are in that process. patience, patience...
also, just an observation: how many natural centers in their top 9? krejci, bergeron, raptor jesus, kelly, seguin? food for thought for the "we have 4 top 9 centers ergo we must trade one herp derp" crowd.
I'm fine with the Wings model....now...find me a Datzyuk and a Zetterberg and THEN we'll model the Wings. Everything else was a pretty stupid idea to have. By the way, even the speed part I don't buy. People freaking out over the Habs speed and then you watch at least half of the team out west and you wonder who put the game at fast forward....I believe that this speed thing was just a way to find an identity. Yes, we were speedy...but so were at least 15 other teams in the league....
The Red Wings model was unique to....the Red Wings. They had Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Lidstrom. We have not had anyone near that. Then add in all the other good players and role players. How do you build a model to a team in a different conference? It's just silly.
After the lockout, Habs were very fast. One of the faster teams in the league. But the rest of the league caught up. Slow teams like the Bruins and Leafs are no longer slow.
Anyone who played hockey in his life knows its much much easier to play against smaller weak soft players. And we are not even fast.
We're not that fast anymore...so now we're fast, small and soft. The worst combination. It's a wonder how we'd be so good in the regular season then wilt in the playoffs. Some would call it "luck"...others with some sense knew it had to do with a lack of size and toughness..goaltending was an issue as well.
Originally Posted by andy28
The problem with that is we didn't exactly have that level of talent either. You need draft picks to do that. If you don't get high ones, you have to draft well with later picks, and its easier to do that the more picks you have. I am in the camp where I think we need a more physical team. Aside from Prust, I don't think we have another meaty, rugged bottom 6 player. Moen doesn't count. Most teams fourth lines look a little meaner and thicker than ours. And its been that way for years now. Prust and Armstrong were our idea of becoming tougher. Prust was a step in the right direction. But Armstrong has never been tough. He used to be kinda dirty.
But while I think we need a tougher lineup, I don't think we need a Bruins style team. That's their game. That's part of their whole identity. They were the big bad Bruins years ago, and they found that again. And we need to become the Habs again. You don't beat the Bruins by trying to outBruin the Bruins. That's how they beat you. We need to find the kind of mix we used to have. The old Habs were not so soft or small as this.
I'm with you all the way, dude. We need to get bigger and meaner. Not like the Bruins, but we need to be able to play our game instead of adjusting to other teams' games. We can't rely on being able to pick corners. Need those dirty goals...and to get those you need to have guys willing to go to the net and screen the goalie. Gionta and Gallagher are the only guys that do this with consistency. That's a massive problem. Need more Prusts on this team since the high end talent isn't there. Need to be able to generate those crappy goals that you see in the playoffs.
Habs used to be fast, skilled and could muck it up with the best of them. Where the hell did that identity go?