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06-06-2013, 08:41 AM
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Cool, nice work. Though that would be bad in terms of picking at 25 IMO, as my top 17 forwards are off the board. In this scenario I guess I'd go with Hartman in round 1. Do like a bunch of guys in round 2 though, what with Dickinson, McCarron/Buchnevich as possibilities.
Nothing wrong with drafting a dman @ 25 if that's the next guy on the list.

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Mantha won't be there at 25, let alone 34.
You guys have to stop being so literal. You're probably right but you don't know... Mantha could drop to the 2nd round. This draft is totally unpredictable.

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'Cause he isn't? Only reason I see. Makes no sense to be secretive and now totally open like that. I know it's the Bergevin era and not Gauthier but there's a freakin limit.
Didn't they say something very similar about Colin Sullivan 2 years ago and ended up drafting him in the 7th?

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Draft is still about asset acquisition, if you get a great asset and it doesn't fit what you need you can trade it for great value, a poor asset is a poor asset even if it fills a small need.
Elegantly put. It's amazing that some people just don't get it. Drafting for need means that unless you are drafting in the top three or so, you are reaching in that you are prepared to take a lesser talent to fill some perceived need. The problem is, that if and when that drafted player finally does makes the NHL , the need he was originally drafted to fill may well have changed. The draft should be about asset acquisition, or the application of the 'Best Player Available' approach. Teams that deviate from this methodology will not be successful. You draft for assets and trade or use free agency to fill any immediate needs. Timmins should create his 'value' board and adhere to it despite any braying from the sidelines about the team's supposed needs. Timmins and his staff's ability to accurately rank the talent available and their ability to correctly determine how those players will project as NHL players will determine our success at this upcoming draft.

Let us hope that he drafts wisely.

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06-06-2013, 08:56 AM
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'Cause he isn't? Only reason I see. Makes no sense to be secretive and now totally open like that. I know it's the Bergevin era and not Gauthier but there's a freakin limit.
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It's nothing but a smokescreen. Oldest trick in the book. Timmins has been at this long enough. The biggest liars at this time of year are on every team's scouting department.

Or maybe it's a double smokescreen (smog).

Every GM has a list of the invitees to the other teams' combines. So that part is no secret. Every GM or head scout knows no one tips their hand.

Maybe TT figures the only way to pull attention off Liam McCoughlin is to declare that he is a sleeper and all the other GMs & head scouts will think like Whitesnake, "Aw forget it Trevie is trying to pull a fast one."

Or

If no one knows about him as of today and he has not been invited to any combines except for the Habs, I don't think he'll be invited to a combine at the last second just because of what Trevor said to a reporter. In other words other teams already know this kid or they don't and couldn't be bothered.

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If he's unranked and not going to any other combines, who cares? A team won't just select a player because Timmins says he likes him. If so, they should just fire their scouting staff.

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Ywah, that Coughlin guy is on nobody's radar.. now he is going to be on everyoes. What a stupid, stupid move. It appears that way, anyway.

maybe Grant can shed some light?
I'm sure every scout knows he was at the Habs' combine, which is pretty much the equivalent of Timmins coming out and calling him a sleeper anyway. So I don't think it makes a difference whether Timmins says it out loud or not. WS has a point that if you really wanted to hide a kid, you wouldn't even have him at your combine.

And le_sean has another good point. At this point, either the other teams have scouted him, or they haven't. No one's going to make any drastic changes to their rankings to scoop up a guy just because Timmins apparently covets him.


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06-06-2013, 09:36 AM
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Coughlin was already a subject of conversation elsewhere on hf as soon as he was mentioned as an invitee to the Habs Combine....
Pinho is the guy they really want.

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If they invite someone to their combine who's unranked, who's not even from the area, I guess it's pretty damn clear to other teams that the player is on their list.
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No need to make an article out of it. No need to claim he's YOUR sleeper. How's a prospect sleeping for you when you actually claimed real loudly that he is? He is now awaken to say the least...

If you really want to hide somebody.....don't invite him to anything. You still are able to find out things about him in any other ways than to show the world your interest. Surely, Habs are interested....but to what degree....we'll find out June 30th.
And what difference will it make? It would take a team to have that same player as a sleeper on their board to step up before Montreal to take him. And take him when? Those other teams don't know where he has him ranked so they'd have to guess on which round

If anything, he's messing with the other teams.

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What if the draft board looked something like:

1st: Hartman/McCarron
2nd: Bailey/Nastasiuk
2nd 2nd: Dauphin/Poirier

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^ In a perfect world Bailey or Nastasiuk would be there with our third 2nd rounder. In fact I'd rather have Dauphin and Poirier with 32/36.

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What if the draft board looked something like:

1st: Hartman/McCarron
2nd: Bailey/Nastasiuk
2nd 2nd: Dauphin/Poirier
I doubt Dauphin will be there at that rank

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1st - McCoshen/Santini
2nd - Klimchuk
2nd - De La Rose
2nd - Bailey

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^ In a perfect world Bailey or Nastasiuk would be there with our third 2nd rounder. In fact I'd rather have Dauphin and Poirier with 32/36.
They won't be, you and I both know that. Guys with size and scoring skills are going to go at a premiere toward the top of the draft. I'd probably go Nastasiuk + Poirier.

Especially if we are trying to be tougher to play against in the future. Although if Dauphin truly does have Patrice Bergeron upside (color me skeptical), look at what Bergeron is doing in the play-offs, you can't not get that type of guy.

If there was a guarantee that Dickinson would still be there at 55, then I'd take the Dauphin/Poirier tandem and walk away with Dickinson at the end of the round.

More and more feeling like trading down to get two more 2nds would actually be better.

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06-06-2013, 10:29 AM
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I doubt Dauphin will be there at that rank
You think someone is going to take Dauphin in the first round? I hope so, I'd love to take a 1st round dropper if someone was so inclined.

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1st - McCoshen/Santini
2nd - Klimchuk
2nd - De La Rose
2nd - Bailey
Better chance of getting De La Rose with our last second than Bailey.

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06-06-2013, 10:35 AM
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^ In a perfect world Bailey or Nastasiuk would be there with our third 2nd rounder. In fact I'd rather have Dauphin and Poirier with 32/36.
34, Hoto.

I'd be underwhelmed with Poirier and Dauphin with those 2 early 2nds. I think the odds that a Klimchuk/Burakowsky/Mantha/Bowey/McCoshen/Zykov type falls to 1 of those picks are good.

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34, Hoto.

I'd be underwhelmed with Poirier and Dauphin with those 2 early 2nds. I think the odds that a Klimchuk/Burakowsky/Mantha/Bowey/McCoshen/Zykov type falls to 1 of those picks are good.
Definitely true. I'm looking at a 1st round dropper with our first pick, then we are into the situation where we have a lot of names we like but only one pick.

Although, ideally Burakowsky/McCoshen/Klimchuk as our first 3 picks would be so bad ass I wouldn't care how the rest of the draft went.

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06-06-2013, 10:41 AM
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The Draft will go like this:

1-COL-Jones
2-FLA-MacKinnon
3-TBL-Drouin
4-NSH-Barkov
5-CAR-Lindholm
6-CGY-Monahan
7-EDM-Nurse
8-BUF-Nichuskin
9-NJD-Zadorov
10-DAL-Domi
11-PHI-Ristolainen
12-PHX-Shinkaruk
13-WPG-Horvat
14-CBJ-Lazar
15-NYI-Fucale
16-BUF-Morin
17-OTT-Gauthier
18-DET-Wennberg
19-CBJ-McCarron
20-WSH-Hartman
21-SJS-Mantha
22-TOR-Rychel
23-VAN-Klimchuk
24-CGY-Morrissey
25-MTL-?

Keep it? or trade down and go into the 2nd round with 5 picks?

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The Draft will go like this:

1-COL-Jones
2-FLA-MacKinnon
3-TBL-Drouin
4-NSH-Barkov
5-CAR-Lindholm
6-CGY-Monahan
7-EDM-Nurse
8-BUF-Nichuskin
9-NJD-Zadorov
10-DAL-Domi
11-PHI-Ristolainen
12-PHX-Shinkaruk
13-WPG-Horvat
14-CBJ-Lazar
15-NYI-Fucale
16-BUF-Morin
17-OTT-Gauthier
18-DET-Wennberg
19-CBJ-McCarron
20-WSH-Hartman
21-SJS-Mantha
22-TOR-Rychel
23-VAN-Klimchuk
24-CGY-Morrissey
25-MTL-?

Keep it? or trade down and go into the 2nd round with 5 picks?
Next in line for me would be Mirco Mueller or Adam Erne.
Then, with #34 and #36 we go for:
Justin Bailey and Samuel Morin

Comrie at the end of the 2nd round

In the 3rd, try to get Hayden and Diaby, whatever the order.

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06-06-2013, 10:47 AM
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34, Hoto.

I'd be underwhelmed with Poirier and Dauphin with those 2 early 2nds. I think the odds that a Klimchuk/Burakowsky/Mantha/Bowey/McCoshen/Zykov type falls to 1 of those picks are good.
It really depends who's left on the board, which is what makes coming up with a wishlist so tough...personally I expect all those guys to go before our first pick in the 2nd with the exception of Bowey, and I'm not especially high on him.

I'm liking more and more the idea of trading out of the first round to pick up another 2nd + a 4th, or something like that. Too many guys in that 30-50 slot that excite me as much or more than the names at 25.

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We have a few trade targets to trade down

Edmonton: 37-56
Jets: 43-59
Dallas: 40-54
Buffalo: 38-52
Sharks: 49-50

I'd say Edmonton, Jets and Sharks are most logical targets as Dallas and Buffalo already have multiple first rounders.

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It really depends who's left on the board, which is what makes coming up with a wishlist so tough...personally I expect all those guys to go before our first pick in the 2nd with the exception of Bowey, and I'm not especially high on him.

I'm liking more and more the idea of trading out of the first round to pick up another 2nd + a 4th, or something like that. Too many guys in that 30-50 slot that excite me as much or more than the names at 25.
In 2007 the Sharks trade a 2007 and 2008 second round pick to get back into the 1st round. The value to trade up into our spot should be at 2 2nd round picks. Maybe a 2nd and a 3rd at cheapest value. If it's not 2 2nds, I'm not trading down.

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The Draft will go like this:

1-COL-Jones
2-FLA-MacKinnon
3-TBL-Drouin
4-NSH-Barkov
5-CAR-Lindholm
6-CGY-Monahan
7-EDM-Nurse
8-BUF-Nichuskin
9-NJD-Zadorov
10-DAL-Domi
11-PHI-Ristolainen
12-PHX-Shinkaruk
13-WPG-Horvat
14-CBJ-Lazar
15-NYI-Fucale
16-BUF-Morin
17-OTT-Gauthier
18-DET-Wennberg
19-CBJ-McCarron
20-WSH-Hartman
21-SJS-Mantha
22-TOR-Rychel
23-VAN-Klimchuk
24-CGY-Morrissey
25-MTL-?

Keep it? or trade down and go into the 2nd round with 5 picks?
I would keep the pick and take Pulock or Hagg or Mccoshen, and hope one of the other two is available at #34.

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The Draft will go like this:

1-COL-Jones
2-FLA-MacKinnon
3-TBL-Drouin
4-NSH-Barkov
5-CAR-Lindholm
6-CGY-Monahan
7-EDM-Nurse
8-BUF-Nichuskin
9-NJD-Zadorov
10-DAL-Domi
11-PHI-Ristolainen
12-PHX-Shinkaruk
13-WPG-Horvat
14-CBJ-Lazar
15-NYI-Fucale
16-BUF-Morin
17-OTT-Gauthier
18-DET-Wennberg
19-CBJ-McCarron
20-WSH-Hartman
21-SJS-Mantha
22-TOR-Rychel
23-VAN-Klimchuk
24-CGY-Morrissey
25-MTL-?

Keep it? or trade down and go into the 2nd round with 5 picks?
Pick...Mueller

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Next in line for me would be Mirco Mueller or Adam Erne.
Then, with #34 and #36 we go for:
Justin Bailey and Samuel Morin

Comrie at the end of the 2nd round

In the 3rd, try to get Hayden and Diaby, whatever the order.
Morin went 16th.

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