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06-06-2013, 09:28 AM
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Sign Nystrom, Stalberg

Trade MDZ for Burmistrov, Stuart, pick

Trade Pyatt and Bourque for McLeod

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Zuccarello Brassard Callahan
Kreider Burmistrov Stalberg
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McDonagh Girardi
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Moore Stuart
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Speed, size, skill... This should be the identity of the team moving forward.
I'm all for signing Stalberg in a 3rd line role. that 3rd line is really good. but people don't want to move Del Zotto for Burmistrov

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06-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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Hagelin's one of our most effective players, yet people think an ideal spot for him on our team is the third line. Same people who think Callahan is a third-liner as well.

The crowd that believes in this, also seem to believe that Kreider is a better option in our top-6. Ohhh, they irony...
If Kreider lives up to his potential, he belongs on top 6.
I understand he hasn't proven anything yet, but that's where he belongs with his skillset.
i want Clowe back, between him and Hagelin who should be in top 6? Depends on what you want the top 6 to be.
I want more size and grit on the top 6 and more speed on the 3rd line.

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If I was Pens and willing to trade Malkin to Rangers it would have to include either McDonagh or Stepan. McDonagh makes more sense for them than Stepan. Then you add from there.

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Are you serious? You just posted this chestnut 5 minutes ago when GAGline tried talking some sense into you.




This is you implying we're going to struggle scoring goals next year if we don't move MDZ for a forward.
The last part of the post is the main part of it. They will have the SAME team next year if they don't do anything that has any kind of risk attached to it (whether it be UFA or trades) and almost everyone here whines about one or the other.

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06-06-2013, 09:31 AM
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He only missed a few games because of that hit. If anything that shows he's pretty damn tough
Nobody is safe in the NHL. All it takes is a deflection off a stick and your career isn't what it used to be.

Again, the risk isn't worth the reward. Richards needs to be amnestied this summer.

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As I've said though in the past, I don't care what we do with Richards, keep him/buy him out whatever. Either way in a year he is gone no matter what happens next season (even if he returns to 80 pt player). I just don't want to have all kinds of cap space we are sitting on while watching an inferior team.
That's where you got it all wrong. Spending that cap space isn't going to guarantee a team that's less inferior. Spending that cap space isn't going to make this a better team. In fact, when we weren't spending every single penny, and relied on filling holes from within, is when we started showing success. You're stuck in 1998.

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06-06-2013, 09:31 AM
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why the hell would the Pens trade Malkin in the same division against a team they might just end up playing to get to the SC?

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06-06-2013, 09:32 AM
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Moore + Miller would be my best offer for Malkin. They are not trading him within the division anyway. wait for him to hit FA.

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06-06-2013, 09:34 AM
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Hagelin's one of our most effective players, yet people think an ideal spot for him on our team is the third line. Same people who think Callahan is a third-liner as well.

The crowd that believes in this, also seem to believe that Kreider is a better option in our top-6. Ohhh, they irony...
I would appreciate it if you wouldn't make such blanket statements like the above.

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So trading MDZ for a forward is going to single-handedly change the dynamic of our offense.

1 ****ing forward is going to do that? Really? Like, seriously? Do you actually believe in this nonsense or are you too thick-headed to admit that it's a huge gamble that might not work out the way you think it will?

We better trade MDZ for a forward or we won't be scoring goals next season, son.

This asinine mentality needs to stop.
So they should stick with what they have and hope their offense comes around?

I have yet to see an idea from you. What do you want to see?

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06-06-2013, 09:34 AM
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If we buy out Richards (which we should) this offseason but then replace him with another longterm contract (or 2) we'll be in cap hell. I'd be perfectly fine with buying out Richards and then doing nothing with that cap space for 12 months. Unless off course you can overpay for someone on a 1 year deal.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Clowe take a 1 year deal with hopes he has a big season and than cashes in, in 12 months time.

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06-06-2013, 09:36 AM
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Sign Nystrom, Stalberg

Trade MDZ for Burmistrov, Stuart, pick

Trade Pyatt and Bourque for McLeod

Hagelin Stepan Nash
Zuccarello Brassard Callahan
Kreider Burmistrov Stalberg
Nystrom Boyle Dorsett
McLeod

McDonagh Girardi
Staal Stralman
Moore Stuart
McIlrath

Speed, size, skill... This should be the identity of the team moving forward.
id love if most of that can happen.. Lets hope Sather agrees that this team needs to get bigger meaner and faster... although i would trade Boyle for prospect either in juniors or college, so Lindberg or Miller has a real chance to make the time.. maybe a kid like Yogan can surprise as a 4th line winger in a year or 2 if he can stay healthy.. maybe Haley cracks the 4th line as the NYR pest... makes the NYR harder to play against.

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I would appreciate it if you wouldn't make such blanket statements like the above.



So they should stick with what they have and hope their offense comes around?

I have yet to see an idea from you. What do you want to see?
and as bad as Richards was, over a full season he would have been around 50+ points or so, if we buy him out and replace him with say Miller, do you see Miller hitting 50 pts? I sure as hell don't, that already makes us a worse team.

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06-06-2013, 09:37 AM
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Malkin could end up in the KHL playing with his buddy Gonchar after next season.

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Moore + Miller would be my best offer for Malkin. They are not trading him within the division anyway. wait for him to hit FA.

Agree.

It'll be awfully tough. Stepan, McDonagh and Hagelin will all have pay rises by then. Hank, Girardi and Callahan will be free agents. Malkin will command upwards of 8 mill per.

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Malkin could end up in the KHL playing with his buddy Gonchar after next season.
why would he do that, when everyone NHL team would want him?

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That's where you got it all wrong. Spending that cap space isn't going to guarantee a team that's less inferior. Spending that cap space isn't going to make this a better team. In fact, when we weren't spending every single penny, and relied on filling holes from within, is when we started showing success. You're stuck in 1998.
The Rangers most succesful season was led, offensively, by Richards and Gaborik. (2) UFA signings.

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06-06-2013, 09:39 AM
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Its funny, everyone talks about building a team like the Bruins, but if the cap stays the same, how are you building a Bruins team by having Rick Nash at 7.8M, Lundqvist at 7-8M, and giving a max contract to Malkin? That's not the Bruins, that's the Pittsburgh model

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What's your best trade offer for Malkin this offseason? Playing a bit off the main boards here.
Callahan and Girardi...immediately give Malkin the 'C', and pay him a little under what you anticipated giving Callahan and Girardi on their next contracts.

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and as bad as Richards was, over a full season he would have been around 50+ points or so, if we buy him out and replace him with say Miller, do you see Miller hitting 50 pts? I sure as hell don't, that already makes us a worse team.
I would honestly rather see Miller or Lindberg play than Richards but that's just me.

I also think they can use the money they will recoup from amnestying him to help in other areas.

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06-06-2013, 09:40 AM
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Nobody is safe in the NHL. All it takes is a deflection off a stick and your career isn't what it used to be.

Again, the risk isn't worth the reward. Richards needs to be amnestied this summer.



That's where you got it all wrong. Spending that cap space isn't going to guarantee a team that's less inferior. Spending that cap space isn't going to make this a better team. In fact, when we weren't spending every single penny, and relied on filling holes from within, is when we started showing success. You're stuck in 1998.
the Rangers started showing some success when Marian Gaborik signed as a free agent, because you know we had actual goal scorer then.

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I would honestly rather see Miller or Lindberg play than Richards but that's just me.

I also think they can use the money they will recoup from amnestying him to help in other areas.
I am already on board with buying out Richards 100% as long as they have a plan to MAKE THE TEAM BETTER

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Staal+Kreider maybe add something more, but that would be a good starter? Creates a hole on D that would require that McIlrath is ready and/or add through free agency.
Pens just traded Jordan because he wanted to play with his brother. Trading a recently injured Staal, who only has 2 years left? Kreider isn't worth much until he produces consistently. Pens laugh at this offer.

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If Kreider lives up to his potential, he belongs on top 6.
I understand he hasn't proven anything yet, but that's where he belongs with his skillset.
i want Clowe back, between him and Hagelin who should be in top 6? Depends on what you want the top 6 to be.
I want more size and grit on the top 6 and more speed on the 3rd line.
Clowe and Hagelin are superior to Kreider. Unless your Bernmeister who wholeheartedly believes Kreider is more valuable than Stepan.

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The last part of the post is the main part of it. They will have the SAME team next year if they don't do anything that has any kind of risk attached to it (whether it be UFA or trades) and almost everyone here whines about one or the other.
You just argued that you didn't imply what you just implied. And then you follow that up with this chestnut....

You're one of the people that's bought into the idea that trading MDZ for a forward is going to turn this team into some offensive beast that needs to be taking seriously.

Who is this forward that we're trading MDZ for anyway???

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I would honestly rather see Miller or Lindberg play than Richards but that's just me.

I also think they can use the money they will recoup from amnestying him to help in other areas.
The more and more I consider it, the more I'm leaning towards KEEPING Brad Richards for one more season. I can see Sather amnestying Richards, and then turning around and signing Iginla to play RW.

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Clowe and Hagelin are superior to Kreider. Unless your Bernmeister who wholeheartedly believes Kreider is more valuable than Stepan.
Kreider should be Stepan's wing along with Nash. That's a good line with speed, size and skill.
And no I am not Bernie, nor do I think Kreider is more valuable than Stepan.

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What's your best trade offer for Malkin this offseason? Playing a bit off the main boards here.
They would ask for McDonagh no doubt about it.

Depending on the recovery of Staal, I would probably give them him and JT.

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What's your best trade offer for Malkin this offseason? Playing a bit off the main boards here.
I brought this up a couple of days ago and I proposed any two forwards and 1 defenseman from the Rangers roster.

I put it that way because the Pens are going to be looking for talent that can have an immediate impact and lessen the blow of losing Malkin. In my head, I could see them asking for Stepan, Kreider and McDonagh. Those would probably be the 3 players I would least like to see go (along with Cally). But you ask me to pull the trigger on that deal and I do it. We're talking about a 27 year old who is arguably the 2nd best player on the planet. Odds are stacked against any of Stepan, Kreider or McDonagh ever reaching that level.

BTW - I wouldn't expect Nash to be one of the forwards in such a trade for a few different reasons but if he was the pricetag, I'd rather build around Malkin than Nash.

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