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06-06-2013, 09:54 AM
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We have a few trade targets to trade down

Edmonton: 37-56
Jets: 43-59
Dallas: 40-54
Buffalo: 38-52
Sharks: 49-50
You forgot some 2nds...Jets also have Chicago's late 2nd from the Oduya trade, so they have 3 picks in round 2. Sharks have PIT's 2nd from the Murray trade, which will likely be 58th. So they also have 3.

Maybe we could get Dallas to cough up a 2nd to go from 29-30 to 25.

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06-06-2013, 09:55 AM
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Next in line for me would be Mirco Mueller or Adam Erne.
Then, with #34 and #36 we go for:
Justin Bailey and Samuel Morin

Comrie at the end of the 2nd round

In the 3rd, try to get Hayden and Diaby, whatever the order.
Like your picks, but I would go with Zykov with the first. Then you hope for a faller. Mueller at 34 would be amazing but he probably won't be there.

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06-06-2013, 10:04 AM
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You forgot some 2nds...Jets also have Chicago's late 2nd from the Oduya trade, so they have 3 picks in round 2. Sharks have PIT's 2nd from the Murray trade, which will likely be 58th. So they also have 3.

Maybe we could get Dallas to cough up a 2nd to go from 29-30 to 25.
Bah, no matter how we work it I can't get all the players I want.

Fak u draft

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06-06-2013, 10:07 AM
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You guys have to stop being so literal. You're probably right but you don't know... Mantha could drop to the 2nd round. This draft is totally unpredictable.
And not just this draft...

2012 : Collberg
2011 : Phillips
2010 : Etem
2009 : Despres

These are all guys that most people would have said to be unavailable for the team that had the 25th pick.

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06-06-2013, 10:09 AM
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This isn't my list, just a breakdown of the situation as I see it:

No chance we get any of them

1. Jones
2. MacKinnon
3. Drouin
4. Barkov
5. Monahan
6. Lindholm
7. Nurse
8. Ristolainen

Very very very small chance, like 0.00001%, we get one of them

9. Shinkaruk (could fall due to size)
10. Domi (ditto)
11. Nichushkin (could fall due to the Russian factor)
12. Wennberg

The rest, I believe, are possibilities for us. I've broken them down into various categories.

Mammoth defencemen who can play the game

13. Zadorov
14. Morin

Big wingers with solid, if not very good, scoring touch

15. Mantha
16. Rychel
17. Zykov
18. Erne

Quality 2 way centers who can produce offence

19. Lazar
20. Horvat
21. Gauthier

Quality offensive defencemen

22. Pulock
23. Morrissey

Pain in the ass versatile player with skill, toughness and smarts

24. Hartman

Quality #1 goalie upside

25. Fucale

Potential 2-way defenders

26. Mueller
27. McCoshen
28. Hagg

Pure skill wingers

29. Burakowsky
30. Klimchuk
31. Lehkonen

Mammoth wingers who could be very coveted with the MOAR BIG movement

32. McCarron
33. Bailey

And that's why we may get a faller at 34...it only requires 1 or 2 off the board picks in my estimation...The following are still on board and it seems like they could also be 1st rounders:

Petan
Compher
De La Rose

Bowey
Theodore
Bigras


Then you have:

Q forwards like Dauphin and Poirier.

Fairly big OHL forwards like Nastasiuk, Dickinson and Baptiste.

The USA U-18 defencemen: Santini and the intriguing Vannelli kid.

The depth is really incredible...I haven't even mentioned Bjorkstrand, Heatherington, Lodge, Hayden, the potential for the Jarry/Comrie/Desrosiers goalie run...


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06-06-2013, 10:15 AM
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What if the draft board looked something like:

1st: Hartman/McCarron
2nd: Bailey/Nastasiuk
2nd 2nd: Dauphin/Poirier
I wouldn't be very happy about it. None of them look as if they have first line potential, nor would they be BPA in my opinion. I'd rather Klimchuk, Lehkonen or even Carrier than Nasty/McCarron/Hartman.

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06-06-2013, 10:34 AM
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This isn't my list, just a breakdown of the situation as I see it:

No chance we get any of them

1. Jones
2. MacKinnon
3. Drouin
4. Barkov
5. Monahan
6. Lindholm
7. Nurse
8. Ristolainen

Very very very small chance, like 0.00001%, we get one of them

9. Shinkaruk (could fall due to size)
10. Domi (ditto)
11. Nichushkin (could fall due to the Russian factor)
12. Wennberg

The rest, I believe, are possibilities for us. I've broken them down into various categories.

Mammoth defencemen who can play the game

13. Zadorov
14. Morin

Big wingers with solid, if not very good, scoring touch

15. Mantha
16. Rychel
17. Zykov
18. Erne

Quality 2 way centers who can produce offence

19. Lazar
20. Horvat
21. Gauthier

Quality offensive defencemen

22. Pulock
23. Morrissey

Pain in the ass versatile player with skill, toughness and smarts

24. Hartman

Quality #1 goalie upside

25. Fucale

Potential 2-way defenders

26. Mueller
27. McCoshen
28. Hagg

Pure skill wingers

29. Burakowsky
30. Klimchuk
31. Lehkonen

Mammoth wingers who could be very coveted with the MOAR BIG movement

32. McCarron
33. Bailey

And that's why we may get a faller at 34...it only requires 1 or 2 off the board picks in my estimation...The following are still on board and it seems like they could also be 1st rounders:

Petan
Compher
De La Rose

Bowey
Theodore
Bigras


Then you have:

Q forwards like Dauphin and Poirier.

Fairly big OHL forwards like Nastasiuk, Dickinson and Baptiste.

The USA U-18 defencemen: Santini and the intriguing Vannelli kid.

The depth is really incredible...I haven't even mentioned Bjorkstrand, Heatherington, Lodge, Hayden, the potential for the Jarry/Comrie/Desrosiers goalie run...
Compher should be in that group with Lazar Gauthier and Horvat. I see him as pretty much a lock to go 1st round, probably before #25.

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06-06-2013, 11:16 AM
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If nichuskin falls out of the top ten... The nhl really has gone mad and xenophobic

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06-06-2013, 11:20 AM
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Would there be any chance of trading up our 55th pick i.e. trade 55th + 3-4th round pick to move up 5-10 spots in the 2nd round to finally have 34-36 and a pick between 40-50? I heard the 20-50 range is where you want to be.

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06-06-2013, 11:20 AM
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This isn't my list, just a breakdown of the situation as I see it:

No chance we get any of them

1. Jones
2. MacKinnon
3. Drouin
4. Barkov
5. Monahan
6. Lindholm
7. Nurse
8. Ristolainen

Very very very small chance, like 0.00001%, we get one of them

9. Shinkaruk (could fall due to size)
10. Domi (ditto)
11. Nichushkin (could fall due to the Russian factor)
12. Wennberg

The rest, I believe, are possibilities for us. I've broken them down into various categories.

Mammoth defencemen who can play the game

13. Zadorov
14. Morin

Big wingers with solid, if not very good, scoring touch

15. Mantha
16. Rychel
17. Zykov
18. Erne

Quality 2 way centers who can produce offence

19. Lazar
20. Horvat
21. Gauthier
Very, very good breakdown...

However, for whatever reason, I'd put Horvat in Shinkaruk or Wenneberg's place. I'd be extremely surprised if the guy is there past 12...

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06-06-2013, 11:26 AM
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Would there be any chance of trading up our 55th pick i.e. trade 55th + 3-4th round pick to move up 5-10 spots in the 2nd round to finally have 34-36 and a pick between 40-50? I heard the 20-50 range is where you want to be.
It is possible... But why would we possibly want that? We want a quantity of quality picks, with this we would lose one to acquire none. If we move up, we give up a player. If we move down we better get good picks.

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06-06-2013, 11:38 AM
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Ryan Pulock seems to be the big wild card in this draft. I am having a hard time believing that we can pass him up if he is on the board at #34. The kids slap shot is already top 5 in the NHL. Seems like a boom-bust kind of pick which is what I think Montreal should be looking for early in the second.

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06-06-2013, 11:40 AM
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Ryan Pulock seems to be the big wild card in this draft. I am having a hard time believing that we can pass him up if he is on the board at #34. The kids slap shot is already top 5 in the NHL. Seems like a boom-bust kind of pick which is what I think Montreal should be looking for early in the second.
I don't see Pulock bringing a dimension that isn't already present in our system. Subban, Thrower, Dietz, Beaulieu and Ellis all have really good shots from the point and the rest of Pulock's game seems to be a mystery.

The only type of D-man I am willing to add in the first 2 rounds is a all-around, minute eating defenseman who is composed with the puck. McCoshen fits that bill.

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06-06-2013, 11:43 AM
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It is possible... But why would we possibly want that? We want a quantity of quality picks, with this we would lose one to acquire none. If we move up, we give up a player. If we move down we better get good picks.
He told you why we'd want that - "20-50 is the place to be." There's a drop off after ~45, ~60 and ~75 IMO. If we move up, logic dictates (or my opinion anyways ) that we'd get a better player at 40-50 than at #55 and/or #115. It all depends on who's there. If guys like Bailey, De La Rose, Mccaron, Burakowsky, Lehkonen (players that have fallen) are in that #40-50 range, you've got to move up to select BPA if he's "your guy".

No way of knowing who will be where, no way to form a legitimate opinion.

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I don't see Pulock bringing a dimension that isn't already present in our system. Subban, Thrower, Dietz, Beaulieu and Ellis all have really good shots from the point and the rest of Pulock's game seems to be a mystery.

The only type of D-man I am willing to add in the first 2 rounds is a all-around, minute eating defenseman who is composed with the puck. McCoshen fits that bill.
Hagg fits the bill. They're both in the 20-40 range.

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I still think Hartman is going to be the guy, assuming he is available at 25. He's the perfect fit for the culture Bergevin is trying to create.

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I don't know if it as been reported but Martin Mcguire from CKAC said that some people told him that habs would love to draft Bo Horvat. Here's the link:

http://www.985sports.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=178969

Around 8:55

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I don't know if it as been reported but Martin Mcguire from CKAC said that some people told him that habs would love to draft Bo Horvat. Here's the link:

http://www.985sports.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=178969

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As far as wishes go, we shouldn't forget Mac, Drouin and Jones...

I know what he's getting at but Horvat will get picked before we get to our first.

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Ryan Pulock seems to be the big wild card in this draft. I am having a hard time believing that we can pass him up if he is on the board at #34. The kids slap shot is already top 5 in the NHL. Seems like a boom-bust kind of pick which is what I think Montreal should be looking for early in the second.

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I don't see Pulock bringing a dimension that isn't already present in our system. Subban, Thrower, Dietz, Beaulieu and Ellis all have really good shots from the point and the rest of Pulock's game seems to be a mystery.

The only type of D-man I am willing to add in the first 2 rounds is a all-around, minute eating defenseman who is composed with the puck. McCoshen fits that bill.
If we look at it that way, we should just pass on the whole draft. If we're going to be stupid, why not just double down and go into full ****** mode.

Most of the players you listed are a bunch of maybes. Also, I'd rather have Pulock in the system if Subban wants stupid amount of money for an extension and anyways, I prefer Pulock to any of our D prospects not named Tinordi or Beaulieu.

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The only realistic Horvat scenario I see if he's there at 15 and we can convince the Islanders to do a trade down since they don't have a 2nd rounder.

16-17-18 are owned by division rivals, they won't want to help us.

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I don't know if it as been reported but Martin Mcguire from CKAC said that some people told him that habs would love to draft Bo Horvat. Here's the link:

http://www.985sports.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=178969

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Of course the habs would love to get Bo Horvat, does that mean they're willing to trade up in top 15 to get him? I highly doubt that.

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As far as wishes go, we shouldn't forget Mac, Drouin and Jones...

I know what he's getting at but Horvat will get picked before we get to our first.
I think what you can take away from that is that Horvat's a guy we may move up for. I just think Bergevin/Timmins are blowing smoke but....who knows.

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The only realistic Horvat scenario I see if he's there at 15 and we can convince the Islanders to do a trade down since they don't have a 2nd rounder.

16-17-18 are owned by division rivals, they won't want to help us.
Well we'd be helping those teams too. They wouldn't just trade picks away.

I'd accept a trade up for Horvat. The thing is, if he's still around, I assume Lazar will be too. Do you give up a high 2nd to try and grab Bo, or do you cross your fingers and hope Lazar ends up at 25? They are similar players.

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My apologies if these have been posted.

Future Considerations mock has us taking:

25: Michael McCarron
34: Dillon Heatherington
36: Shea Theodore
55: John Hayden


I can't say I'd be too angry with that. Although I may rather Bailey, Nastasiuk, Compher, Dickinson or Dauphin before Heatherington. Nothing against Heatherington, I just have others I'd prefer over him.

FC's mock has McCoshen lasting until 52nd overall.

THN's mock draft (Ryan Kennedy) has us taking Zach Fucale at 25.

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My apologies if these have been posted.

Future Considerations mock has us taking:

25: Michael McCarron
34: Dillon Heatherington
36: Shea Theodore
55: John Hayden


I can't say I'd be too angry with that. Although I may rather Bailey, Nastasiuk, Compher, Dickinson or Dauphin before Heatherington. Nothing against Heatherington, I just have others I'd prefer over him.

FC's mock has McCoshen lasting until 52nd overall.

THN's mock draft (Ryan Kennedy) has us taking Zach Fucale at 25.
The MOAR size brass would be happy. Can't say I would.

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