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06-07-2013, 06:36 AM
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well, by the time we're a perennial contender, guys like Patches and Price will be closing on 30, maybe we should trade them now for assets that will be in their prime by then ?


also, Gorges, Prust, Moen and Bourque will be 30+ by then, should we ship them too?
they have no value :[

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06-07-2013, 06:37 AM
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they have no value :[
how do you know that ?

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06-07-2013, 06:39 AM
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how do you know that ?
we should probably end this conversation right here

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06-07-2013, 06:42 AM
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06-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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his value is unimportant because Markov will not be traded from this team... ever.

Many great defenseman made contributions in their later years, Markov is one of them. He's a leader on this team and he'll be there to inspire the many kids that come through the front door over the next several years.

Besides his declining play is overstated.
Well said.

I don't get this idea that Markov's play is declining. Look at the facts people. In the past two years (before this season), Markov has played a grand total of 20 games since being injured (first by cooke in the 2010 playoffs, which lead to his delayed start for the 2010-11 season, then the Staal hit). He played 34 games in Russia over a 3 month span, then played 48 games in Montreal over a 3.5 month span. His legs obviously were gassed, but he still managed to be top 5 in points as a defenseman and top 5 in points on the PP. This declining play everyone is talking about is overrated.

One of, if not the best PMDs of his generation. He still has great vision, shot, passing, defense might need some work but might be fixed with a little bit of conditioning and time.

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what your saying is beyond the point, what purpose do players like plek/markov have in a team that most likely isnt going to be a cup contender for the next 3 years? theyll just grow old and lose value
dunno tho, im still unsure about whether or not we should trade plek. but for the good of the organization markov definitely has to go
They only lose value if they don't perform at the level they're at now. Markov, still performing at this level. Pleks with his 5'8" midget winger and his inconsistent/injured Bourque still put out 33 in 47 (about a 60 point pace). What they do bring as veterans to our team come playoff/cup contending time is experience and leadership, intangibles like that are hard to find and when you do, you pay for it at the deadline.

For the good of the organization (if Markov scores 40+ points next year), Markov better ****in' stay, especially if we're in the playoffs or contending for a spot. Not watching your team in the POs for any given amount of time is depressing. I feel bad for Leafs fans.

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well, by the time we're a perennial contender, guys like Patches and Price will be closing on 30, maybe we should trade them now for assets that will be in their prime by then ?


also, Gorges, Prust, Moen and Bourque will be 30+ by then, should we ship them too ?
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Komisarek, Souray and now Emelin would probably disagree with you.
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they have no value :[
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yes you should
LOL Komisarek was an all-star selection one year thanks to Markov (and the city of Montreal). Souray was nothing when he left Montreal (AHL people) and Emelin had a much better year with Markov (before his injury) than last year without Markov.

I don't understand how you can say "they have no value" in relation to Moen, Bourque, Gorges. Gorges is top 4 (I sometimes think he's fringe top 4/#5 D, but i can agree with others if they think he's a #4), Moen when he's on can be an important player on most rosters. Just ask BB about that. Moen's value fluctuates from season to season depending on his play, because it's always a rollercoaster with Moen. As for Bourque, same deal. Inconsistent. Played well to start before going down. If he plays like he started this season coming up, then he has value.

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06-10-2013, 08:19 PM
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Should Markov be treaded

Well since gonchar is being treaded to dallas the market for older players is going up
We can maybe a 2 round or maybe first and pick up a centermen. Also we could tread for a centermen from a different team. was thinking horton {free agent} also with the cap going down and also with alot of contracts coming to a end next year markov is coming to an end of his career. With young d fence men like alexi emilin and tinordi and also dias and subban is getting more mature and can run this team

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06-10-2013, 08:23 PM
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Well since gonchar is being treaded to dallas the market for older players is going up
We can maybe a 2 round or maybe first and pick up a centermen. Also we could tread for a centermen from a different team. was thinking horton {free agent} also with the cap going down and also with alot of contracts coming to a end next year markov is coming to an end of his career. With young d fence men like alexi emilin and tinordi and also dias and subban is getting more mature and can run this team
*traded *trade *defensemen *emelin *diaz

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06-10-2013, 08:23 PM
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Did you mean treated? Is Markov so crazy?

Since when Nathan Horton is a center?

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06-10-2013, 08:29 PM
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Well I guess there isn't a tread thread yet, but this can be discussed in the off-season moves thread.

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06-10-2013, 08:52 PM
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Sure,put some winter treads on him, and he will be good in all weather.

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the first image in my head was markov treading water in the ocean, after captain hook walked him off the plank into a group of crocodiles.

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It all deapends on what the return is
If its for an ex-large pizza and a bucket of pucks - no way
If its a proper return - sure why not
There is a price to everything, players are assets and every asset has a value

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It all deapends on what the return is
If its for an ex-large pizza and a bucket of pucks - no way
If its a proper return - sure why not
There is a price to everything, players are assets and every asset has a value
What kind of pizza though?

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06-10-2013, 09:03 PM
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Everyone is tradeable for the right price, but moving Markov isn't exactly a priority unless an opportunity presents itself.

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What kind of pizza though?
It could be a B&M special - I still say no
return
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Markov has slowed, but come on guys, he was healthy and a big part of why we finished 2nd in the conference...easy does it...

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06-10-2013, 10:45 PM
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Everyone is tradeable for the right price, but moving Markov isn't exactly a priority unless an opportunity presents itself.
The best moment to move him would probably be the next trade deadline before his contract expired. But it depends on a few things. Our position, our needs, etc. We'll see but I'm sure we could get something interesting for him.

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06-11-2013, 07:44 AM
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Keep Markov.

Only way we trade him is if we're like 11th through 15th on the Eastern Conference Standings slide come trade deadline.

So people do realize our Top 4 is missing a key piece at the moment and we wanna trade one of ours away? I want a youngish top 4 D coming back along with a draft pick in return for Marky Mark.

edit: He also has a NTC/NMC

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Keep Markov.

Only way we trade him is if we're like 11th through 15th on the Eastern Conference Standings slide come trade deadline.

So people do realize our Top 4 is missing a key piece at the moment and we wanna trade one of ours away? I want a youngish top 4 D coming back along with a draft pick in return for Marky Mark.

edit: He also has a NTC/NMC
That's also the only likely scenario for Markov waiving his NTC.

And, as you say, we would need a "top 4" D back unless something else
happens.

We probably need Markov for two years until our wave of young Ds is
ready for prime ice-time.

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Markov has slowed, but come on guys, he was healthy and a big part of why we finished 2nd in the conference...easy does it...
I think a big part of that was the condensed schedule coming from having barely palyed the last 2 yaers. Some games he looked slow probably because of fatigue with 4 games in a week or 5 games in 8 days.

I have no issues with trading him as long as the value coming back is big or with signing him to an extension, probably around what Gonchar got.


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markov needs to be traded because hes of no use to us anyways, hes an aging player and we wont have a cup contending team anytime soon. the only problem is i have no idea what his value is
Chris Chelios says hi. No way Markov is moved this summer.

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guess you dont know why Savard thought it was a good idea to trade Chelios...
Oh, I know all about the Chelios stories.

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The Flyers just gave up a 4th round pick and a prospect (Shane Harper) for the rights to Mark Streit, who could become a UFA in about 3 weeks.

So for those interested in perpetuating the theory that Markov has no trade value, let's let this settle it. 4th round and a prospect for a guy who was done with the Islanders and might never even play for the Flyers. Streit is a year older than Markov, finished with 27 points (to Markov's 30), had a woeful -14 plus/minus rating this year, is smaller than Markov, has never been considered a better defensive defenseman than Markov, and will likely be paid at least as much as Markov next season on a 35+ retirement contract that will stay with the team forever. And the Flyers might lose him for nothing in three weeks.

Still think no one will trade for Markov, who is a better player than Streit in absolutely every facet and actually has a contract for next season?

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Markov definately has value.

If you can someone get a first rounder or good prospect, you move him.

Anyone who thinks next year the habs will be in cup contention are fooling themselves. Stock the cupboard.

Sign a veteran d-man ala Scuderi to play with PK.

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We can consider trading him only at the TDL, and depending on the situation and return, anything before that is premature.

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