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06-07-2013, 06:28 AM
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That's the problem, NYR won't win a Cup without Lundqvist and they won't win a Cup if Lundqvist doesn't give a discount either. The team is too flawed for that with too many bad contracts, every year. Too many players who never perform what they've been paid for.

Since Sather has consistently screwed up UFAs at epic levels and have built several joke teams around him, there's no reason for Hank to give a discount either. Had their been a better team built with legit Cup chances, an argument could've been given to Hank to give that discount to win a Cup, but now there is none. Hence, the Rangers won't win a Cup anytime soon and management has a ton to do with that, yet always get the free pass from the equally inactive team owner. They get a world class goaltender in their laps and still can't form a competitive team.

The only chance the Rangers have to win a Cup in the next decades is Lundqvist gives a big discount, Sather becomes a good GM all of a sudden, a great coach appears behind the bench and some players on the roster develops beyond expectations. All this before Hank's prime is over. Let's just say the chances are slim.

We desperately need a defenseman who can handle the breakout and start a transition rush, because basically none of ours can.
Most of the bad contracts have been flushed out (or rather will be in the case of Richards), only Nash remains on a high paying contract and I'm not willing to throw him under the bus for one playoff under Torts' flawed playoff system.

Apart from Nash, what awful contracts do we have? Callahan @ $4.275M? Staal @ $3.975M?

Callahan and Girardi are likely to be overpaid on their next contracts, but until then we don't really have a Gomez/Drury/Redden/Richards contract taking up a lot more space than their contribution.

Nash-calibre players are once again going to have cap hits in the $8M region since with the new CBA. No more Zetterberg @ $6M, Hossa @ $5.333M, or Kovalchuk @ $6.667M. Getzlaf and Perry are both making $8M+, Semin makes $7M.

That's why I want to lock up Stepan for 8 years at around $5-5.5M/year. With the cap going up in the future that will be a bargain even if he plateaus as a 60pt 2-way center. If he can keep up his play from this season or progress even further it will be a Tavares-like steal of a contract. Do the same for McDonagh, we have cap-space now if we buy out Richards, give up more money now for a bargain later. It's a risk, but a risk I'm willing to take. Bridge contracts give us space right now, but there is really nothing to spend it on unfortunately.

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06-07-2013, 07:43 AM
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I don't see that.
Based on what? All indications are that he wants a big payday. Until something comes out that doesn't point to that, I'll have to go with what I see.

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06-07-2013, 07:46 AM
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back in the Richter era they didn't count shutout wins which makes that stat a bit contradictory.
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06-07-2013, 07:48 AM
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Personally I think the Rangers should try to trade Hank and rebuild.
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06-07-2013, 08:17 AM
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I think he meant that Richter played his entire career without the benefit of accumulating wins through the shootout. Which is a valid point when comparing win records.

Does anyone know a website that breaks down the W column and OT column? NHL.com and Hockey Reference do not. Might be helpful when we get to the HFNYR Goalies project.

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Sign him for whatever he wants. For all your talk about winning cups I guarantee we won't win it without him any time soon. And I mean decades soon. This fanbase is just ridiculous. It's become a chore in here.
Sign him for whatever he wants? So if he wants $12 million/year we should sign him for that. Got it.

You're right, it has become a chore in here...


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If we invest $8M per year in a goalie, we're going to be a team that has to rely heavily on the goalie to win games. That's just the reality of things. I suppose if you're going to do that, it might as well be the best goalie in the league.

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06-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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If we invest $8M per year in a goalie, we're going to be a team that has to rely heavily on the goalie to win games. That's just the reality of things. I suppose if you're going to do that, it might as well be the best goalie in the league.
The problem for me is, when you have the best goalie in the league but are deficient elsewhere, history has told us the puck still finds it's way into your net too often for your team to be successful. Now matter how good your goalie is.

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Based on what? All indications are that he wants a big payday. Until something comes out that doesn't point to that, I'll have to go with what I see.
No doubt he wants to be paid, but I think his drive to win is stronger than his drive for a higher salary. He shows it in every post game.

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The problem for me is, when you have the best goalie in the league but are deficient elsewhere, history has told us the puck still finds it's way into your net too often for your team to be successful. Now matter how good your goalie is.
I agree. I'm not in love with the idea of investing that much money into a goalie. However, I don't think the team feels the same way. They made him the highest paid goalie in the league once, and I'm sure they'll do it again.

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No doubt he wants to be paid, but I think his drive to win is stronger than his drive for a higher salary. He shows it in every post game.
But does he believe he can win with this team, and is thus willing to take a discount to make the team more competitive? That is the question. It's one thing to be a part of a winning team. It's quite another to be the reason your team wins 80% of the time.

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06-07-2013, 09:30 AM
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Lundqvist is to the Rangers what Revis was for the Jets. The best player at his position, but do you really want to commit that much cap space to that position especially when his best days are likely behind him? The Rangers are faced with a hard decision next year, and the decision is made even harder by the fact that they have absolutely no goalie prospects in the cupboard.

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But does he believe he can win with this team, and is thus willing to take a discount to make the team more competitive? That is the question. It's one thing to be a part of a winning team. It's quite another to be the reason your team wins 80% of the time.
Bingo.

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Lundqvist is to the Rangers what Revis was for the Jets. The best player at his position, but do you really want to commit that much cap space to that position especially when his best days are likely behind him? The Rangers are faced with a hard decision next year, and the decision is made even harder by the fact that they have absolutely no goalie prospects in the cupboard.
Something I have complained about for years . . .

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Bingo.
I think so. He's proclaimed his love for NY many times, but actions do speak louder than words...

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Something I have complained about for years . . .
Who do we have? Stajcer? Talbot? Yeah, nothing much there.

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Something I have complained about for years . . .
Yeah this is something I started thinking about too when I went to a few Pre season games and Cam and Scott S. weren't that good. That guy Zaba too, don't remember what happened to him. Rangers need to draft a quality young goalie. Yes, it's hard to see where goalies stand till later on for the most part, but still. Very worrysome.

We lucked out with Hank being Hank when Montoya was a no go.

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Who do we have? Stajcer? Talbot? Yeah, nothing much there.
We have a bunch of garbage in all honesty.

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Yeah this is something I started thinking about too when I went to a few Pre season games and Cam and Scott S. weren't that good. That guy Zaba too, don't remember what happened to him. Rangers need to draft a quality young goalie. Yes, it's hard to see where goalies stand till later on for the most part, but still. Very worrysome.

We lucked out with Hank being Hank when Montoya was a no go.
For sure. FWIW, I still maintain that Blackburn would be a better goalie, but that's unfortunately no longer a debate

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Lundqvist is to the Rangers what Revis was for the Jets. The best player at his position, but do you really want to commit that much cap space to that position especially when his best days are likely behind him? The Rangers are faced with a hard decision next year, and the decision is made even harder by the fact that they have absolutely no goalie prospects in the cupboard.
I don't see how his best days are behind him. He's put the two best years of his career in back2back seasons. Lundqvist is exactly the type of player you should be able to compensate. The Rangers window of competition is done if he moves. Revis on the other hand had a serious concussion and knee injury suffered in the same season and the Jets were no where near competitors, it made sense to move him.

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For sure. FWIW, I still maintain that Blackburn would be a better goalie, but that's unfortunately no longer a debate
Always hoped the Blackburn was going to turn out okay but sucks that things went the way they did. I was a little younger but I remember being able to learn the game and players with my father at the time.

Moving towards an acquisition of a young goalie... I know the Sabres have a rather bigger array of goalies with Hackett, Leggio (He might be a career AHL'er if Enroth/Hackett stays and Miller goes.). And the guy Makarov they signed undrafted. He's pretty good.

Hypothetically, if we lose Hank to free agency... because I don't see the team trading him... what do we do? Tank and rebuild or bring in a young "promising" guy and build up other areas..

also Kershaw, you really can't make that comparison much more in depth. What the rest of the Jets was excluding Revis was close to just terrible all around. The Rangers have better pieces if you want to compare, but the Rangers will be screwed, as well.

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I don't see how his best days are behind him. He's put the two best years of his career in back2back seasons. Lundqvist is exactly the type of player you should be able to compensate. The Rangers window of competition is done if he moves. Revis on the other hand had a serious concussion and knee injury suffered in the same season and the Jets were no where near competitors, it made sense to move him.
Based on what?

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Based on what?
Based on letting go off the best goalie in the NHL, team MVP for 7 consecutive seasons and having no replacement for him perhaps?

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To Rangers:
Malkin
Letang
Fleury

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Lundqvist
Stepan
McDonagh/Kreider/Hagelin


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To Rangers:
Malkin
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Fleury

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Kreider/Hagelin
Deal.

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I'm guessing something along the lines of a 7-yr contract with $7.5M/year. I honestly doubt it goes higher than that. Even Quick only gets $5.8M.

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