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04-30-2013, 07:48 PM
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Jeff Jacobs: Why Go From Whale Back to Failed Wolf Pack? | http://www.courant.com/sports/hockey...0,51622.column This comment about sums up the whole fiasco the Rangers have created. "This screams no real community commitment or local bond. If you can't connect with the locals, what do you have? Nothing. They might as well call this team the Canadians. Makes as much sense as taking away the colors and the whale name from Hartford. Good move. A 3 year old could have told you this makes no real sense."


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The official reason is the Rangers wanted to distance themselves from Baldwin and the Whale. There were talks about the Rangers not wanting to pay Baldwin for use of the Whale brand and Pucky, but Global Spectrum told MSG they would pick up the tab so that's not the reason. The easiest answer is probably the closest to the truth, the Rangers just simply don't care about what's best for Hartford and they probably couldn't pass up the opportunity to stick it to Whalers fans again. The choke-hold on this market hasn't exactly grown the fanbase into NY lite clones like they imagined and their squatting is costing Hartford the opportunity for a fresh start with a neutral affiliate. They create this drama and they've driven a wedge between fanbases, if that was their intended goal to suppress the market they're doing an A+ job.
Hartford pretty much became indifferent and disgruntled. They didn't reject the Rangers, they rejected hockey.

Those in CT who are fans are mostly Ranger fans. In my experience the biggest gap bw NY and BOS popularity in CT is the NHL with the Rangers having the clear edge.

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The Rangers and Whalers were rivals? I'd love to see how things would be if the Bruins were to have a hypothetical falling out with Providence and moved their AHL affiliation to Hartford where those who don't have it out for Jacobs hopped on the Bruins bandwagon.

Any team that's in a rival's territory is going to have issues. See Hamilton and Abbottsford as exhibits A and B.
Nobody hopped on the Bruin bandwagon....Hartford either hates the Bruins or does not care.

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Those in CT who are fans are mostly Ranger fans. In my experience the biggest gap bw NY and BOS popularity in CT is the NHL with the Rangers having the clear edge.
This does not hold true for Central Connecticut considering I've lived here all my life, you'd be correct if you said those in Western CT are Rangers fans. You'd be hard pressed to find very many Rangers fans inside of Hartford County. Here it's Whalers (yes even with them gone), Bruins, Rangers, rest of NHL.


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This does not hold true for Central Connecticut considering I've lived here all my life, you'd be correct if you said those in Western CT are Rangers fans. You'd be hard pressed to find very many Rangers fans inside of Hartford County. Here it's Whalers (yes even with them gone), Bruins, Rangers, rest of NHL.
That's exactly my point and observation.
Once you get outside Southern and Western CT, the NHL is irrelevant and there is no real fanbase aside from angry Whalers fans.

Hartford did not adopt either but there are more Ranger fans in that area, if only a few.

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Rangers/MSG Eye Long Island: http://www.courant.com/sports/hockey...,2019546.story

Islanders to Brooklyn a year early, MSG reno's the Coliseum and the Wolf Pack moves in for the 2016-17 season. Looks like what's going on.

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Rangers/MSG Eye Long Island: http://www.courant.com/sports/hockey...,2019546.story

Islanders to Brooklyn a year early, MSG reno's the Coliseum and the Wolf Pack moves in for the 2016-17 season. Looks like what's going on.
That could be one reason why the AHL Connecticut Whale went back to AHL Hartford Wolf Pack nickname.

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It'd definitely be an intriguing move on the Rangers part, especially if the Isles go about and do a substantial rebrand and potentially alienate fans.

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Weird, so the Isles would be move into Ranger country, and the Rangers would renovate the Coliseum and move into Isles country?

Begs the question wouldn't 250 million be enough for it to host an NHL and forget the move?

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AHL Commissioner Addresses Jeff Jacobs' Article: http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/...,6512068.story

Tries to compare Wolf Pack to the Whalers? He failed to address the small part where Wolf Pack attendance declined for an entire decade straight. And you'd think being a commissioner of the AHL he'd know the New Haven Blades previously won a championship and also just a month ago the Danbury Whalers won the FHL championship.

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http://t.co/FCdR23hoPL - XL Center to undergo $35 Mil in renovations over the summer.

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Weird, so the Isles would be move into Ranger country, and the Rangers would renovate the Coliseum and move into Isles country?

Begs the question wouldn't 250 million be enough for it to host an NHL and forget the move?
Brooklyn and Queens were part of the territorial indemnity the Isles originally paid the Rangers for Long Island in 1972. Hence the reason we dont have to pay them anything to move to BK.

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I still remember watching the last game vs Tampa Bay on Sportschannel back when there was a Sportschannel. Was a Damned sad day. I watched the Whale when the Bruins were not playing. The problem is, being in between Rangersville and Bruinstown. Everyone around CT and RI is a fan of either of those two.

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http://t.co/FCdR23hoPL - XL Center to undergo $35 Mil in renovations over the summer.
good stuff... AEG actually managing the arena, for a change

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good stuff... AEG actually managing the arena, for a change
Global Spectrum takes over for AEG in August, they have a 10 year contract for the XL Center. They're also pitching in $3Mil of their own money on top of the $35Mil from the state and additional $20Mil over the course of the next decade.


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I still remember watching the last game vs Tampa Bay on Sportschannel back when there was a Sportschannel. Was a Damned sad day. I watched the Whale when the Bruins were not playing. The problem is, being in between Rangersville and Bruinstown. Everyone around CT and RI is a fan of either of those two.
Yeah? I thought it had been established in one of these threads that a lot of people in CT are apathetic about the NHL because the Whalers are gone?

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In case anyone missed it, a Massachusetts couple centered their wedding around the Whalers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...144902410.html

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In case anyone missed it, a Massachusetts couple centered their wedding around the Whalers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...144902410.html
Hope their honeymoon isn't to the Carolinas....

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@PaulDoyle1: "Stanley Cup Game 3 TV ratings by market: 1. Boston 27.2 2. Providence 19.4 3. Chicago 16.8 4. Buffalo 5.1 5. Hartford/New Haven 3.2"

@PaulDoyle1: "Providence considered "non-NHL" market, but really an extension of Boston. Hartford/NH highest pure non-NHL market for Game 3 ratings."

Game 1 was 5.8 right behind Milwaukee in non-NHL markets.

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I still remember watching the last game vs Tampa Bay on Sportschannel back when there was a Sportschannel. Was a Damned sad day. I watched the Whale when the Bruins were not playing. The problem is, being in between Rangersville and Bruinstown. Everyone around CT and RI is a fan of either of those two.
Not really.

Everyone in CT past Greater New York doesn't care about the NHL for the most part.

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@PaulDoyle1: "Stanley Cup Game 3 TV ratings by market: 1. Boston 27.2 2. Providence 19.4 3. Chicago 16.8 4. Buffalo 5.1 5. Hartford/New Haven 3.2"

@PaulDoyle1: "Providence considered "non-NHL" market, but really an extension of Boston. Hartford/NH highest pure non-NHL market for Game 3 ratings."

Game 1 was 5.8 right behind Milwaukee in non-NHL markets.
Meh...it's still not a big water cooler talk in Hartford. I don't see the Bruins gear out in full force anywhere close to what the Red Sox, Patriots, or Celtics in 2010 had.

Hartford/New Haven is still more indifferent/pro Rangers than Bruins.

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guess what... for NHL purposes, Hartford IS an extension of Boston and Milwaukee is an extension of Chicago.

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guess what... for NHL purposes, Hartford IS an extension of Boston and Milwaukee is an extension of Chicago.
It be interesting to see how many Connecticut residents and Wisconsin residents attend Bruins and Blackhawks games. The ratings show there's fairly strong interest in hockey for both markets so there's $ to be made from television advertising and they're both decently sized markets. I have the sense there would still be room for growth for both these markets enough to be a contributor for the NHL. The # of people that attend out of state NHL games would likely account for a small fraction of the fans in both markets and you'd also be able to develop many more new fans from having a professional team in the marketplace. In Hartford's case having some fans in the market that are fans of other teams will only help the franchise because ticket prices would go up. Better travel for a multitude of teams as well and Hartford would have easy travel making them more easily sustainable.

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the #39 and #46 MSA's in the USA are of no interest to the NHL, especially since they are both growing at less than 1%. I'm sure the NHL would jettison Buffalo if they could as well, but Pegula showed up. I mean for god's sake, Hartford is smaller than Ottawa, the "worst" current canadian market, and Milwaukee is only a couple hundred thousand ahead of us.

No one is suggesting that either of those cities are not hockey country, but Milwaukee and Hartford serve the NHL long-term much better as Hawks and Bruins sattelites. As actual NHL cities, they''re among the worst in the league.

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@PaulDoyle1: "Stanley Cup Game 3 TV ratings by market: 1. Boston 27.2 2. Providence 19.4 3. Chicago 16.8 4. Buffalo 5.1 5. Hartford/New Haven 3.2"

@PaulDoyle1: "Providence considered "non-NHL" market, but really an extension of Boston. Hartford/NH highest pure non-NHL market for Game 3 ratings."

Game 1 was 5.8 right behind Milwaukee in non-NHL markets.
eh, Milwaukee may not have an NHL team but there are many Blackhawks fans there. In terms of just hockey they are an extension of Chicago the same way Providence is an extension of Boston

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guess what... for NHL purposes, Hartford IS an extension of Boston and Milwaukee is an extension of Chicago.
No, by all means Hartford isn't, and the only CT fans who attend NHL games regularly are those Ranger season ticket holders in the SW part of the state.

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