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06-07-2013, 02:07 PM
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I want to see what he looks like after a full off season+ training camp.

The Kings staff will shore up some weaknesses, he was playing in the pond hockey East for a bit.

I am sure he picked up some bad habits.
One year older and one step slower. But hey he's well spoken.

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One year older and one step slower. But hey he's well spoken.
People in Vancouver said the same about Mitchell after his head injury...

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The people who are hating on Regehr are the same ones who were ready to get rid of Scuderi earlier this season. The amount of melodrama on here is really getting tiresome.

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Boy, I really hate when the Kings lose. People get so sensational and conjure up issues with players. These guys are not as bad as some people here make them out to be.

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The people who are hating on Regehr are the same ones who were ready to get rid of Scuderi earlier this season. The amount of melodrama on here is really getting tiresome.
It's the Same people that pop up that Brown shouldn't be Captain thread every year....

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The people who are hating on Regehr are the same ones who were ready to get rid of Scuderi earlier this season. The amount of melodrama on here is really getting tiresome.
wrong, the only times i've wanted Scuderi gone was when Mitchell was healthy and we would have needed to shed salary this summer

I've wanted Regehr gone for a long time because im confident i could beat him 1 on 1 and i can't even stop on skates

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It's the Same people that pop up that Brown shouldn't be Captain thread every year....
wrong, i've never said that

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Cool, go kings.

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Regher was the reason the goal that cost us the game happened, but with the energy we had in the third he wasn't the reason we lost. Unless Chicago's prevent defense is just that good.

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Regher was the reason the goal that cost us the game happened, but with the energy we had in the third he wasn't the reason we lost. Unless Chicago's prevent defense is just that good.
The line change?

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The Kings are leading the playoffs in goals against and they were 7th in the regular season with only one true stay at home guy. Are you guys trying to shave that down as close to zero as you can get? The Kings defense is fine. The reason the Kings are this far into the postseason is because of their defense and goaltending. The reason they are on the brink of elimination is their lack of goal scoring. They are the lowest goal scoring team left in the playoffs. Their best offensive players have disappeared (hurt or otherwise) when it matters most. That is the problem here. Not the quantum physics that dictate Robyn Regher is the worst player to ever play defense.

Maybe Jay MeisterBrau adds a few goals because of his puck moving ability and his ability to shoot the puck. Maybe. But the Kings aren't lacking in that department. They Kings were lacking the physicality on the blue line. Jay MeisterBrau is redundant. Maybe he is a better defender than some of the Kings' puckmovers but $6.8m of CAP to upgrade that defensive capability isn't a prudent use of CAP space. If the Kings are going to spend $6.8m in CAP space, they should be upgrading their wings. That might have to come at the expense of Stoll and Penner. It might NOT have to come from anywhere. Assuming Kopitar will return to his old self, adding Toffoli to the equation could add 10-20 goals to an already decent goal scoring regular season team.

The bottom line, you guys can blame Regher all you want but the reason the Kings are on the brink of elimination is not because of him. It is because the Kings have failed to score goals when they needed them most. Even if Regher didn't make a poor line change last night, who really had confidence that the Kings were going to score 3 goals in the game when they only did that 3 times (not counting EN goals) i the entire playoffs this far? They still had about 19 minutes to get one goal last night after Chicago scored their third and they mustered a whopping 2 shots on goal. Quit blaming a problem that isn't there.


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The line change?
The score was tied at that point so the Kings weren't winning. That means the Kings still needed another goal to win the game. After the poor line change, the Kings still had 19 minutes to score one measily goal and had a full two minute power play. They managed to get two shots on goal.

In addendum to my post above, credit the Blackhawks because they have clearly been the better team during this series. Blaming any individual (Muzzin, Ellerby, Regher, Martinez - pick your poison) on the blueline is shortsighted at best. The stats say otherwise. The Kings have been outshot in a lot of the games. They have had a losing faceoff percentage in most of the games. They have failed to score goals. Those are all critical components of the game that Robyn Regher et al has little impact on.

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The score was tied at that point so the Kings weren't winning. That means the Kings still needed another goal to win the game. After the poor line change, the Kings still had 19 minutes to score one measily goal and had a full two minute power play. They managed to get two shots on goal.

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I just don't see how RR can be blamed for the goal. It was a 3 person line change made worse by DD failing to understand the situation and tried to make a hit at the blue line. They walked right by him and scored.

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I just don't see how RR can be blamed for the goal. It was a 3 person line change made worse by DD failing to understand the situation and tried to make a hit at the blue line. They walked right by him and scored.
My bad.. I thought you were blaming him. Regardless of whose fault that goal is, the Kings are/were not winning the Cup again scoring 2 goals a game. The margin is just too thin.

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My bad.. I thought you were blaming him. Regardless of whose fault that goal is, the Kings are/were not winning the Cup again scoring 2 goals a game. The margin is just too thin.
I'm not disappointed in the Kings. They made a huge dent in the playoffs despite injuries.

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The people who are hating on Regehr are the same ones who were ready to get rid of Scuderi earlier this season. The amount of melodrama on here is really getting tiresome.
people are already calling for Sutter's head after bringing the team to back to back Confernece Finals. That's more in the past 2 years than we've done in how many decades now? It's funny how entitled we are to the cup now. world's apart to how we felt 1 year ago.

people need to chill. to win everything, you need a whole lot of skill and a bit of luck on your side. This year we just didn't have the luck. If Brown (suspected), Kopitar (suspected), Richards, Mitchell, Greene, and Stoll all suffered some sort of injury, there's no doubt that would affect the team's overall performance.

I'm loving the kids (voynov, toffoli) and our core isn't even in their primes yet. So to put on the old repeating record, have some patience and chill...

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The Kings are leading the playoffs in goals against and they were 7th in the regular season with only one true stay at home guy. Are you guys trying to shave that down as close to zero as you can get? The Kings defense is fine. The reason the Kings are this far into the postseason is because of their defense and goaltending. The reason they are on the brink of elimination is their lack of goal scoring. They are the lowest goal scoring team left in the playoffs. Their best offensive players have disappeared (hurt or otherwise) when it matters most. That is the problem here. Not the quantum physics that dictate Robyn Regher is the worst player to ever play defense.
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The bottom line, you guys can blame Regher all you want but the reason the Kings are on the brink of elimination is not because of him. It is because the Kings have failed to score goals when they needed them most. Even if Regher didn't make a poor line change last night, who really had confidence that the Kings were going to score 3 goals in the game when they only did that 3 times (not counting EN goals) i the entire playoffs this far? They still had about 19 minutes to get one goal last night after Chicago scored their third and they mustered a whopping 2 shots on goal. Quit blaming a problem that isn't there.
Yes, it's true that the Kings have the best goals against in the playoffs, and yes, Robyn Regher is part of that. And, no, the Kings will not be eliminated BECAUSE of Regher, in a strict cause-and-effect relationship between him playing and the Kings losing.

However, that doesn't make his signing any better. In the first place, I think it's fair to say that our goals against numbers are inflated (deflated?) because of Quick. Quick has been, in my view and I know the views of many other here, the best goalie in the world for this playoff year. He is THE franchise player, the absolute cornerstone of the franchise. So, any success we attribute to the defensive side of the LA Kings must go through Jonathan Quick.

Secondly, Regher has a particular set of strengths and weaknesses, as do all players. His strength is his size and physicality, and he is at his best when cleaning out opposing forwards along the walls, in the corners, or in front of the net. His weaknesses, however, are twofold: he's slow, and his passing is very poor, particularly when under pressure in his own zone. These problems are exaggerated on our team, and make him a very poor fit for us moving forward.

The Kings play a layered defense, with the two defensemen essentially playing zones down low, the centerman coming down to offer support below the dots as needed, and the wingers responsible for the walls from the dot up, and for blocking shooting lanes from the points. In this system and essential to the Kings' success is a quick breakout, in which defenders must make short passes to supporting forwards, who then turn the puck up ice; alternatively, the defender must escape pressure and make a crisp break-out pass himself, hitting a winger cutting to the middle or up the boards. Further, when opposing teams forecheck, defenders have to be able to move the puck quickly from side to side, escape first- and second-man pressure, and get the puck to the forwards to transition to offense. This isn't really a unique system at all; it's pretty much how the game is played, particularly in the Western Conference, though of course with some variation (Chicago loves their stretch passes, for example, while St. Louis keeps their forwards and defense very tight, moving up and down the ice as a unit).

In both of those situations, defensemen have to be able to make quick, accurate passes. Regher is well below average in this regard. When under forechecking pressure, he coughs the puck up routinely, and his passes are frequently off-target. When under pressure in his own zone, if he gains possession, he can rarely do anything more than try to push the puck up the boards. That's normally a safe play, but other teams anticipate it and cut off his clearing attempts, it frequently leads to icings, and it doesn't contribute to the breakout. Thus, our transition game, one of the essential ingredients to our success, is hamstrung with him out there.

Another important aspect of defense is gap control, getting to opposing forwards as they are receiving passes, in order to disrupt your opponents' breakout. To do this effectively, you need defenders who are fairly fleet of foot, who can read the passes coming to opposing forwards, and make the aggressive play to disrupt the other team before they get going. Our opponents have been KILLING us in this aspect all playoff long, and particularly Chicago. Our defenders have been backing off through the neutral zone all playoff long, allowing our opponents to attack with speed. Regher is not the only problem in this area, but he's particularly prone to this; it makes sense for him to back off, because he's not quick enough to quickly close gaps.

So, in both his lack of footspeed and his poor passing, Regher is a liability, and he's a liability in particular to what the Kings need from their defense. On top of this, the guy is 33. He's only going to get slower over the next two years. Now, there is certainly a place of the team for a defenseman who specializes in physical play, at the expense of, say, footspeed and break out passes. This guy could get relatively sheltered minutes and be a penalty kill specialist. The things is, we already have that guy: Matt Greene. And, he's three years younger. So, Regher is what people have been saying all along, an older Matt Greene, with worse possession numbers. The guy is redundant. He doesn't adequately fill the role we need filled, which is someone who can take the defensive pressure off Doughty.

Now, it's true, Regher was one of the VERY few options out there, at a time when both Mitchell and Greene were on the shelf. It can be argued that the Kings HAD to acquire him, as he was the only guy even close to what we needed. I can see that argument, and I agree with you that Boumeister would be a poor acquisition, as he is both underachieving and overpaid. Still, signing Regher to two more years at $3 million was not a good move. I would have preferred Lombardi fill that hole through an offseason trade before committing that money to Regher. If you have to deal Bernier and a prospect, picks, whatever, I get that; you have to give to get. I know people are desperate for a scoring left wing, but this team is built around a rock-solid defense that transitions the puck well and allows our forwards to generate sustained possession. That is the foundation of the teams' success, and Regher undermines that. Indeed, if we're willing to trade two second-round picks and then spend $3 million a year filling this hole, I'd prefer some other defenseman who is more mobile and passes better, at the expense of the physicality. The more I look at this team and the way they try to play the game, the more I think that the physical play on the defensive end is less important than defensive mobility. Emphasize the physicality with the forwards, and let them take the game to the other team.

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^ I'm not gonna quote your whole post but I'll respond to pieces of it.

Regarding Quick and the GA, the team was third during the regular season in shots against. That helps Quick and the team GA. Im not taking anything away fom Quick but giving credit to the defense. The support each other.

In regards to Regher's playmaking ability, he is not much worse than the other two in the same role. Could they use an upgrade, like a Willie Mitchell? No doubt. But as everyone agrees, that isn't available. Regher is an insurance policy. There is nothing wrong with that. There are players that won't be returning next year that will free up cap space and in the event something better is available, they can make a move including moving Regher (although that is unlikely).

Part of the inability of our defense to move the puck up the ice in these playoffs was a big reason I advocated playing Martinez over Muzzin even with his defensive lapses. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure Martinez played in all of or at least a few of the Kings higher scoring playoff games.

I'll say it again, I don't believe defense is a problem with this team and that includes Regher. Sure, Quick is incredible but he team defense helps him to be successful. Buying an insurance policy when you may lose Scuderi in the offseason is not a bad thing. In fact, I'd wager that DL being the advance thinker he is may know that Scuderi isn't coming back. Why put yourself in a position of weakness and get bent over in a trade? Other teams will know he is even more desperate if Scuderi isn't re-signed and Regher went Ufa too. I see this as a prudent move by a GM that is much smarter than a bunch people who have second guessed him along the way to building a Cup winner. It doesn't make him infallible but this is far from the horrible move some of the drama queens around here want to make it out to be.


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You make excellent points all around. You're right that the defense's limiting of shots is part of Quick's success. I'd argue that Muzzin has improved dramatically over the course of the playoffs, particularly since the St. Louis series.

But, is $3 million for an insurance policy that provides only Regher really worth it when we have so little cap room? That's money that would be better spent elsewhere.

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The people who are hating on Regehr are the same ones who were ready to get rid of Scuderi earlier this season. The amount of melodrama on here is really getting tiresome.
No Ziggy never wanted Scuderi gone. Hey there are actually people who know hockey here. Regehr is a tough defenseman who is good at PK and if he plays 3rd pairing D with about 10 min ice time your o.k. but that is what Greene is for. He just does not have the mobility at this point of his career.

Have you been watching him? His vision on the ice is a very limited. Do you ever see him get the puck at the point and cross pass to the other D? No he always plays it safe and chips the puck along the boards. Plus unlike Greene he does not have the "balance" (If you ever played hockey you know what I'm talking about) and strength in front. I feel DL panicked thinking he could be without Mitchell and Scuderi next year. I think DL should have waited to see how Mitchell and Scuds panned out.

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I've said time and time again that Regehr is useless with the puck, so not sure what you're expecting out of him when the puck is on his stick. He's trying to reduce mistakes, trying a cross pass is asking for trouble, unless you are certain you can get the pass through, it isn't worth attempting it.

As for waiting for Mitchell and Scuderi, how long do you wait? What if Scuderi gets blown away by a ridiculous offer by his home town Islanders and Mitchell's status remains up in the air until training camp, then what options is Lombardi left with? Regehr would have been signed by another team by that time, and the Kings will be left looking to fill a big hole on its blueline.

Some of you think you have all the answers, but it isn't that cut and dry. Waiting for options or trading for Bouwmeester makes less sense than retaining Regehr. It's something that had to be done. And bringing Scuderi back has to be one of Lombardi's top priorities along with getting Voynov re-signed to a long term extension before some lunatic GM tenders an offer sheet to him.

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Buddy The Elf isn't just here for the plucky comic relief.

Some of you just may end up actually learn something from him...

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Buddy is correct from a managerial perspective, whereas fouser's tactical analysis is also pretty spot on. Two different perspectives to the same problem, and I'm not sure which one is more important at the moment.

Whatever else happens, I don't think Regehr will hinder us that much moving forward, he's a decent placeholder. Furthermore I don't think Regehr's contract will stop us from improving our forward units. If Lombardi feels he needs to make a change he'll get it done.

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Like I said, everyone is getting overpaid. Depends how much you want to overpay...

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Like I said, everyone is getting overpaid. Depends how much you want to overpay...
people really have no concept of market price. everyone who's signed is "overpaid", which is an obvious indication that nobody is overpaid.

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